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The Absolute Oneness of God

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Ben Avraham

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The Absolute Oneness of God

Isaiah says that, absolutely, God cannot be compared with anyone or anything, as we read Isaiah 46:5. "To whom will ye liken Me, and make Me equal to , or compare Me with, that we may be alike?"

Therefore, more than one God would have been unable to produce the world; one would have impeded the work of the other, unless this could be avoided by a suitable division of labor.

More than one Divine Being would have one element in common, and would differ in another; each would thus consist of two elements, and would not be God.

More than one God are moved to action by will; the will, without a substratum, could not act simultaneously in more than one being.

Therefore, the existence of one God is proved; the existence of more than one God cannot be proved. One could suggest that it would be possible; but since as possibility is inapplicable to God, there does not exist more than one God. So, the possibility of ascertaining the existence of God is here confounded with potentiality of existence.

Again, if one God suffices, a second or third God would be superfluous; if one God is not sufficient, he is not perfect, and cannot be a deity.

Now, besides being God absolutely One, He is incorporeal. If God were corporeal, He would consist of atoms, and would not be one; or he would be comparable to other beings; but a comparison implies the existence of similar and of dissimilar elements, and God would thus not be One. A corporeal God would be finite, and an external power would be required to define those limits.
 
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Tabu

Active Member
BrahmaKumari view is that God is the Supreme Soul , incorporeal , Ever Pure , Every blissful.
The deity souls are also pure , but are not constant . Deities become Humans and God turns Humans to deities again , and this cycle keeps repeating.
Both the Soul and Supreme Soul are infinitesimal points of spiritual light .
 
BSM1

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Ben Avraham said:
The Primal Cause of the Universe. If that's not true, we would not be verbal juggling about Him right now.
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Just curious, what, in your opinion, would be the reason to create such a controversial and unfathomable universe to begin with? And why the confusion and divisiveness in our understanding of this Deity?
 
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Ben Avraham

Well-Known Member
BSM1 said:
Just curious, what, in your opinion, would be the reason to create such a controversial and unfathomable universe to begin with? And why the confusion and divisiveness in our understanding of this Deity?
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Because of the diversity of religions among men. The existence of the Universe should not be controlled by religions but by Science. The influence of religions is so pernicious that even the scientists are affected by it.
 
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Ben Avraham

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Tabu said:
BrahmaKumari view is that God is the Supreme Soul , incorporeal , Ever Pure , Every blissful. The deity souls are also pure , but are not constant . Deities become Humans and God turns Humans to deities again , and this cycle keeps repeating. Both the Soul and Supreme Soul are infinitesimal points of spiritual light .
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There is nothing infinitesimal about man but death. Only HaShem is absolutely infinitesimal. (Genesis 3:22)
 
Windwalker

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
By Oneness you are obviously not talking about God as Infinite Being, but simply a logic argument against your misunderstanding of the Christian Trinitarian formula (which you have wrong, by the way). Regardless of the Trinity however, do you believe God is Infinite or finite in Being? Does anything exist outside of God. Is there a boundary around God? Is God "a being", like a human being is a separate individual, only just bigger? Can God "move around" to places where He is not, like the way a cloud moves through the sky? Explain what this looks like to you.
 
Quintessence

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
Well, what you're preaching maybe works for you monotheists, but the rest of us aren't convinced. :sweat:
 
BSM1

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Ben Avraham said:
Because of the diversity of religions among men. The existence of the Universe should not be controlled by religions but by Science. The influence of religions is so pernicious that even the scientists are affected by it.
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Not sure this is the question I asked, but okay.
 
Kilgore Trout

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
Any arguments regarding possible details about god are premature until god's existence is actually established.

It's like a bunch of people arguing over what size and color the teddy bear is inside a locked safe that nobody has ever seen inside.
 
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pearl

Well-Known Member
Kilgore Trout said:
Any arguments regarding possible details about god are premature until god's existence is actually established.

It's like a bunch of people arguing over what size and color the teddy bear is inside a locked safe that nobody has ever seen inside.
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Except the one who placed the teddy bear in the safe in the first place.
 
Nakosis

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Ben Avraham said:
The Absolute Oneness of God

Isaiah says that, absolutely, God cannot be compared with anyone or anything, as we read Isaiah 46:5. "To whom will ye liken Me, and make Me equal to , or compare Me with, that we may be alike?"

Therefore, more than one God would have been unable to produce the world; one would have impeded the work of the other, unless this could be avoided by a suitable division of labor.

More than one Divine Being would have one element in common, and would differ in another; each would thus consist of two elements, and would not be God.

More than one God are moved to action by will; the will, without a substratum, could not act simultaneously in more than one being.

Therefore, the existence of one God is proved; the existence of more than one God cannot be proved. One could suggest that it would be possible; but since as possibility is inapplicable to God, there does not exist more than one God. So, the possibility of ascertaining the existence of God is here confounded with potentiality of existence.

Again, if one God suffices, a second or third God would be superfluous; if one God is not sufficient, he is not perfect, and cannot be a deity.

Now, besides being God absolutely One, He is incorporeal. If God were corporeal, He would consist of atoms, and would not be one; or he would be comparable to other beings; but a comparison implies the existence of similar and of dissimilar elements, and God would thus not be One. A corporeal God would be finite, and an external power would be required to define those limits.
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It's very biased towards a specific definition of God. Others define the term in other ways. I've often said one can define God into or out of existence.

My view is that man is not in a position to define God. So one definition for God is as good, or bad, as any other.

Your God is as you define God to be. It may not be God as defined by anyone other than you.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Ben Avraham said:
The Absolute Oneness of God

Isaiah says that, absolutely, God cannot be compared with anyone or anything, as we read Isaiah 46:5. "To whom will ye liken Me, and make Me equal to , or compare Me with, that we may be alike?"

Therefore, more than one God would have been unable to produce the world; one would have impeded the work of the other, unless this could be avoided by a suitable division of labor.

More than one Divine Being would have one element in common, and would differ in another; each would thus consist of two elements, and would not be God.

More than one God are moved to action by will; the will, without a substratum, could not act simultaneously in more than one being.

Therefore, the existence of one God is proved; the existence of more than one God cannot be proved. One could suggest that it would be possible; but since as possibility is inapplicable to God, there does not exist more than one God. So, the possibility of ascertaining the existence of God is here confounded with potentiality of existence.

Again, if one God suffices, a second or third God would be superfluous; if one God is not sufficient, he is not perfect, and cannot be a deity.

Now, besides being God absolutely One, He is incorporeal. If God were corporeal, He would consist of atoms, and would not be one; or he would be comparable to other beings; but a comparison implies the existence of similar and of dissimilar elements, and God would thus not be One. A corporeal God would be finite, and an external power would be required to define those limits.
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Good arguments.
I agree with one.
Thanks and regards
 
soma

soma

John Kuykendall
The first commandment is “I am the Lord thy God and thou shall not have strange Gods before Me.” This is the basis for the conviction that there is only one God, a belief that leads to the knowledge of unity, which once accomplished influences and helps us in our daily lives. There is only one God appearing before us, and this one God is for everyone embodying the secrets for successful living in an all-pervading consciousness. In the awareness of one subtle energy form that is everywhere at the same time, we realize that God is always present in the power of pure consciousness. Therefore, the reassuring first step to know the meaning of God is to develop the conscious awareness of His omnipresence, which is ancient and as modern as the space age. Dedication to the recognition of this one God as an art and the unity of all things in energy as a science eliminates the stress and hustle of modern life. Carl Sagan, an American astronomer, cosmologist, astrophysicist, astrobiologist and author said, “A new consciousness is developing which sees the earth as a single organism and recognizes that an organism at war with itself is doomed. We are one planet.” To expand this beyond the Earth there is one pure consciousness that many call God who created us out of an all-pervading energy; therefore, there are innumerable forms of energy in this one ocean of energy. God is in all of us as spirit, soul or call it consciousness; therefore, we need to stop fighting over who created the world and respect the Divinity within everybody.
 
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Eileen

Member
Ben Avraham said:
The Absolute Oneness of God

Isaiah says that, absolutely, God cannot be compared with anyone or anything, as we read Isaiah 46:5. "To whom will ye liken Me, and make Me equal to , or compare Me with, that we may be alike?"

Therefore, more than one God would have been unable to produce the world; one would have impeded the work of the other, unless this could be avoided by a suitable division of labor.

More than one Divine Being would have one element in common, and would differ in another; each would thus consist of two elements, and would not be God.

More than one God are moved to action by will; the will, without a substratum, could not act simultaneously in more than one being.

Therefore, the existence of one God is proved; the existence of more than one God cannot be proved. One could suggest that it would be possible; but since as possibility is inapplicable to God, there does not exist more than one God. So, the possibility of ascertaining the existence of God is here confounded with potentiality of existence.

Again, if one God suffices, a second or third God would be superfluous; if one God is not sufficient, he is not perfect, and cannot be a deity.

Now, besides being God absolutely One, He is incorporeal. If God were corporeal, He would consist of atoms, and would not be one; or he would be comparable to other beings; but a comparison implies the existence of similar and of dissimilar elements, and God would thus not be One. A corporeal God would be finite, and an external power would be required to define those limits.
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ABSOLUTELY!
 
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