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The world is being taken over by fruitcakes. What's an appropriate response?

sandandfoam

Veteran Member
Trump is a nutcase. Theresa May is little better. Brexit is closing fast. Le Pen might get elected in France. Is it time to emigrate to Antarctica?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The way I see it, sooner or later a firm and wide denunciation of the evils of nationalism will have to happen, despite so many people being set to avoid such a realization.

If we are lucky, it will not be preceded by something far more traumatic. But the repudiation of nationalism proper is unavoidable and very necessary.
 

sandandfoam

Veteran Member
The way I see it, sooner or later a firm and wide denunciation of the evils of nationalism will have to happen, despite so many people being set to avoid such a realization.

If we are lucky, it will not be preceded by something far more traumatic. But the repudiation of nationalism proper is unavoidable and very necessary.
Luis, I couldn't agree more. Nationalism is a cancer.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member

Nooooooo!, I can't imagine eating a whole fruit cake. Mine usually hit the dumpsters and its biodegradable I think. For the most part these fruitcakes taking over are all biodegradable so the dumpster might work.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Trump is a nutcase. Theresa May is little better. Brexit is closing fast. Le Pen might get elected in France. Is it time to emigrate to Antarctica?
We've been ruled by crazies all along...Nixon, Rob Ford, Johnson, Clinton.
But as times change, the flavor of crazy changes with it.
So I don't worry about the latest batch...but I watch with usual concern.
 
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Brickjectivity

Turned to Stone. Now I stretch daily.
Staff member
Premium Member
We have no kings. We have no nobles. We do not have to let priests or local councils tell us what is real. Trials are by jury. Police use advanced detection methods at crime sites. We have newspapers and libraries.

So the world is not being taken over by fruitcakes. [ Appropriate tasteful humorous joke goes here ]
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
The way I see it, sooner or later a firm and wide denunciation of the evils of nationalism will have to happen, despite so many people being set to avoid such a realization.

If we are lucky, it will not be preceded by something far more traumatic. But the repudiation of nationalism proper is unavoidable and very necessary.


What is your concern with nationalism?
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Trump is a nutcase. Theresa May is little better. Brexit is closing fast. Le Pen might get elected in France. Is it time to emigrate to Antarctica?

Le Pen is unlikely to win. Similarly in Germany you are getting Merkel or Schulz; both reasonable. Austria elected it's first Green Party PM in history (twice). Scotland is probably going second Ref next year. If that passes, Irish reunification very likely.

Leftists and centrists are still the majority of most populations and governments in Europe... except Hungary and Poland, the former being pretty heavy right leaning for a while now.

Leftists just need a united front.
 
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Mister Emu

Emu Extraordinaire
Staff member
Premium Member
The way I see it, sooner or later a firm and wide denunciation of the evils of nationalism will have to happen
This is what is causing the supposed crisis you see.

What we need is a firm and wide recognition of the good and bad in both nationalism and globalism so we can have a real discussion about where to draw from both.
 
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David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Trump is a nutcase. Theresa May is little better. Brexit is closing fast. Le Pen might get elected in France. Is it time to emigrate to Antarctica?
fruitcake2.jpg
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
What is your concern with nationalism?

Nationalism is, by definition even, the decision to lend prestige and significance to entirely artificial divisions at the expense of real, significant issues.

It is also the enabler of various forms of destructive hatred and discrimination.

This is what is causing the supposed crisis you see.

What we need is a firm and wide recognition of the good and bad in both nationalism and globalism so we can have a real discussion about where to draw from both.

Certainly. It turns out, though, that nationalism is at a serious disadvantage from the get go. The globe exists and has inherent significance for humanity. Nations are entirely political constructs which deserve no particular loyalty.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
Nationalism is, by definition even, the decision to lend prestige and significance to entirely artificial divisions at the expense of real, significant issues.

It is also the enabler of various forms of destructive hatred and discrimination.



Certainly. It turns out, though, that nationalism is at a serious disadvantage from the get go. The globe exists and has inherent significance for humanity. Nations are entirely political constructs which deserve no particular loyalty.


Couldn't you say almost the same thing about blind Globalism?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Couldn't you say almost the same thing about blind Globalism?
Hardly. This is one of those situations where the so-called options are inherently very assymetric.

Globalism is all about the effort to reach out. To a significant degree, it is about the challenge to get out of one's restricted confort zone and embrace the challenges and rewards that actually exist in the wider world.

Nationalism is about pretending that there is no outside world worth considering.

It may perhaps be forgiven in societies that are too weak or too limited to know better. But it is all-out inexcusable as an actual goal.
 
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