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UN and NATO are a Flop

Kemosloby

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The UN and NATO are helpless to do anything about ISIS and return the refugees to their homes, what good are they? Their whole basis for their existence was to end wars, the opposite has happened, and since their creation there has been nothing but wars.
 

Laika

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The UN and NATO are helpless to do anything about ISIS and return the refugees to their homes, what good are they? Their whole basis for their existence was to end wars, the opposite has happened, and since their creation there has been nothing but wars.

Give the video a watch. Despite what you see on the news, we are living in a era of global peace. The UN and NATO can't stop all wars, and a third world war remains a remote possibility, but overall we are doing very well.

 

Kemosloby

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Give the video a watch. Despite what you see on the news, we are living in a era of global peace. The UN and NATO can't stop all wars, and a third world war remains a remote possibility, but overall we are doing very well.


Ok, that explains the refugee's being flown all over the world. Got it..
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
The UN and NATO are helpless to do anything about ISIS and return the refugees to their homes, what good are they? Their whole basis for their existence was to end wars, the opposite has happened, and since their creation there has been nothing but wars.

Not true. We're living in the most peaceful period of human history; there are fewer, smaller wars now than at any point before us. The U.N. is a contributing factor. It's far from perfect and has plenty of problems but it's still doing good. The fact that it's now doing what it was proclaimed to be for (restraining unilateral actions that violate nations' sovereignty) as opposed to being a vehicle for American power-projection shows that it still has a part to play in future.

As for NATO, this is the price America pays for being a successful, power-projecting superpower. Leave/disband NATO and you give up the whole premise for the " 'MURICA!!" attitude.
 

Kemosloby

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Not true. We're living in the most peaceful period of human history; there are fewer, smaller wars now than at any point before us. The U.N. is a contributing factor. It's far from perfect and has plenty of problems but it's still doing good. The fact that it's now doing what it was proclaimed to be for (restraining unilateral actions that violate nations' sovereignty) as opposed to being a vehicle for American power-projection shows that it still has a part to play in future.

As for NATO, this is the price America pays for being a successful, power-projecting superpower. Leave/disband NATO and you give up the whole premise for the " 'MURICA!!" attitude.

It seems to me between the UN and NATO, it's like trying to catch all the fish in a catch and release pond.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
I think the UN has hawkish tendencies which interfere with what the people of a country want their leaders to be doing.
The world is experiencing an unprecedented level of peace and conflict is at an all-time low. What are you possibly talking about?
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
The UN and NATO are helpless to do anything about ISIS and return the refugees to their homes, what good are they? Their whole basis for their existence was to end wars, the opposite has happened, and since their creation there has been nothing but wars.
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Are you just historically illiterate? The world is experiencing an age of peace that has never been seen before. Even the Pax Romana would be considered a violent, un-ending struggle compared to today. Open your goddamn eyes.
 

Kemosloby

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The United Nations is a reactionary institution lead by imperialists.

The UN prepared to attack the democratic liberation forces of Rowanda and was involved in imperialist actions which killed masses in the Korean War.

It's a tool of the capitalists to protect the current nations.

Tool of the communists since the UN is a move towards big government and regulations on top of regulations, the enemy of free market capitalism. If it was a tool of the capitalists they would have auctioned off Iraqi oil fields, or pump enough to pay for the cost of war.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
Tool of the communists since the UN is a move towards big government and regulations on top of regulations, the enemy of free market capitalism. If it was a tool of the capitalists they would have auctioned off Iraqi oil fields, or pump enough to pay for the cost of war.
The UN doesn't own Iraq's oil fields. And it was America and the UK that invaded Iraq. Not the UN.
 

Kemosloby

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The UN doesn't own Iraq's oil fields. And it was America and the UK that invaded Iraq. Not the UN.
My understanding is the UN rules prohibited them from taking Iraq oil, which would just make sense considering the cost of war tacked on to America's national debt. The taxpayers get the bill and who knows who gets the oil.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
My understanding is the UN rules prohibited them from taking Iraq oil, which would just make sense considering the cost of war tacked on to America's national debt. The taxpayers get the bill and who knows who gets the oil.
To be fair, the costs of the Iraq war could quite easily have been avoided.
 

Kemosloby

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To be fair, the costs of the Iraq war could quite easily have been avoided.

Probably, if whoever is benefiting was not benefiting. Like if there were no regulations forbidding America from covering it's costs in Iraq oil or Afghan opium. There would be no incentive for someone to use American military as a free police force for their business interests. Because i'm guessing the cost of war outweighs those profits.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
Probably, if whoever is benefiting was not benefiting. Like if there were no regulations forbidding America from covering it's costs in Iraq oil or Afghan opium. There would be no incentive for someone to use American military as a free police force for their business interests. Because i'm guessing the cost of war outweighs those profits.
I'm not sure I follow.

If America could recoup public money from Iraq's resources their would have been no incentive for war?

Is that it?
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Tool of the communists since the UN is a move towards big government and regulations on top of regulations, the enemy of free market capitalism. If it was a tool of the capitalists they would have auctioned off Iraqi oil fields, or pump enough to pay for the cost of war.
...that's not capitalism, that's a war of conquest.

Do..do you just make it up as you go along?


My understanding is the UN rules prohibited them from taking Iraq oil, which would just make sense considering the cost of war tacked on to America's national debt. The taxpayers get the bill and who knows who gets the oil.
I'm sorry, I didn't know we were going to take a page from the Wehrmacht and ransack an enemy state after invading it for no apparent reason.

The United Nations is a reactionary institution lead by imperialists.

The UN prepared to attack the democratic liberation forces of Rowanda

It's a tool of the capitalists to protect the current nations.
Does that have anything to do with what I said? At all? I said the UN has ushered in an era of peace unprecedented on the world stage.

and was involved in imperialist actions which killed masses in the Korean War.
You mean the attempted war of conquest started by the DPRK?
 

Kemosloby

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Premium Member
...that's not capitalism, that's a war of conquest.

Do..do you just make it up as you go along?



I'm sorry, I didn't know we were going to take a page from the Wehrmacht and ransack an enemy state after invading it for no apparent reason.


Does that have anything to do with what I said? At all? I said the UN has ushered in an era of peace unprecedented on the world stage.


You mean the attempted war of conquest started by the DPRK?

"Who can make war with the beast" I suppose once people are so utterly oppressed and helpless to fight there will be peace.
 

Kemosloby

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Premium Member
I'm not sure I follow.

If America could recoup public money from Iraq's resources their would have been no incentive for war?

Is that it?

Lets say you were running the global drug trade. Like the mafia you need some muscle. So through the various avenues of power he sets it up for NATO to take over Afghanistan and turn it into a drug farm. It doesn't cost the drug lord a thing. They go in there and do it, since heroin is illegal and immoral they don't claim any of the profits themselves. So it's pure profit for the drug lords at taxpayer expense. Same as the oil since the Americans can't sell any of it to pay off their expenses.
 
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