Where is god?

[Rapha]

By not revealing its presence in a way that is irrefutable

The God Presence beyond the Universe does not need to reveal Him self as He is the entire Universe. If you cannot feel him, you are not human.

 

[james bond]

If the Biblical god really exists, and is not a figment of the imagination, why does it not make its presence clear without equivocation?

By not revealing its presence in a way that is irrefutable, it would be most unjust if unbelief resulted in dire consequences as some would have you believe.

The problem is in your faulty thinking in your question. First the Biblical god refers to pagan ones and we know they do not exist and is a figment of the imagination. Second, you will not put your faith in the true God, so you will not find Him and He will not reveal Himself to you. Have a nice life ha ha.

 

[Akivah]

G-d is everywhere. He is not constrained by a physical form to just be in one place.

If the Biblical god really exists, and is not a figment of the imagination, why does it not make its presence clear without equivocation?

To not conflict with freewill.

 

[allfoak]

If the Biblical god really exists, and is not a figment of the imagination, why does it not make its presence clear without equivocation?

By not revealing its presence in a way that is irrefutable, it would be most unjust if unbelief resulted in dire consequences as some would have you believe.

Here we go.
I say these things at my own peril.
Please read my signature.

The revealing of God happens through us.
The kingdom of heaven is inside of us.
Some can see God manifested all around them others cannot.
God is inside and out.

 

[Sonny]

If the Biblical god really exists, and is not a figment of the imagination, why does it not make its presence clear without equivocation?

By not revealing its presence in a way that is irrefutable, it would be most unjust if unbelief resulted in dire consequences as some would have you believe.

There is plenty of evidence that there is a supernatural being we call God (He has a personal name in addition to the 'title' God). There is, roughly, 2,000 prophecies given that prove He is there. He wants mankind to honor, worship and love Him based on faith and the facts, not blindly. If, however, He were to show Himself or prove He exists then everyone would serve bc 'seeing is believing' and not by faith. But He wants us to prove He exists by our efforts and for ourselves. That way we don't follow 'every wind of doctrine' from others. It never fails to surprise me to find that people spend years learning a Trade or getting an Education but then never take more than a few moments each day to learn about God. I believe that if more people did some deeper research there'd be no doubt in anyone's mind that God does, indeed, exist. That's how it happened for me, anyway. And, it can happen for everyone, I believe. The only two options are creation and evolution. Since we have been digging up dinosaurs for about 200 years with over 200 million fossils found, to date, and not a single one can be categorically stated as a transitional fossil, nor have we found different stages of the evolutionary process in the fossil record, it is crystal clear that evolution did not occur. Thus, Creation and that means God. These are my personal beliefs, or course, but there is a lot of truth to them. So much so that, to me, evolution is a Fairy Tale for those unwilling to investigate the possibility that God exists, imo and noi.

 

[Sonny]

Jesus was no sort of god he was just a human guy with faults and failings like the rest of .

Well, Jesus did predict electricity, TVs, video cameras, rockets and satellites- all in one statement. I'd say that is overwhelming proof. But I know others would disagree with me still.

 

[Sonny]

Notice that Jesus is not available for comment. He does not need anything.

And... He wouldn't be God if He appeared. He said the 'next' time He comes (Returns) will be at the Rapture (means=snatching away, taken by force, etc) where He will only appear in the sky (where the whole world will see Him). So if He came before then He would be a liar. And who wants to praise, worship and serve a known liar? Not me.

 

[Sonny]

What evidence is there that god is anything but a figment of the human imagination?

3 proofs-
1. The Christian Western world,
2. The Bible (written by 40 different people from nearly every walk of life (from poor to rich, shepherds to kings), on 3 different Continents, over a 1,600 year period of time and all pointing to one central figure, the Messiah or Jesus) and
3. Fulfilled prophecies (there is 2,000 known fulfilled prophecies and many others we can see coming/about to occur- - including the description of an Atomic/Nuclear bomb/radiological disaster that is predicted in both Testaments).

 

[Sonny]

You can't confirm that the car has a maker just because it exists. Many things in life don't have makers but they exist "or come to existence to us" because of pre-existing things (sperm and egg equals a baby) type of thing. The baby wasn't created by god but people who don't know how a baby is formed they may think just because the baby exist, there must be a creator.

Unless you have already established beliefs that there should be some one who created everything on earth, just looking at a car, moon, or a piece of trash shows nothing in and of itself.

Actually, the signs you stated do show, prove, there is a God. Nothing x nobody does not equal everything. Everything has a designer. Please, post a few things that are not a design. Someone once said (forget who- sorry) that believing in evolution is like believing that a Tornado hitting a junk yard would leaving a fully functional 747 on the other side. I agree. Theories, regardless of how scientific they are, are still men guessing at what 'may have', 'could have', 'probably' did happen. IMHO

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Actually, the signs you stated do show, prove, there is a God. Nothing x nobody does not equal everything. Everything has a designer. Please, post a few things that are not a design. Someone once said (forget who- sorry) that believing in evolution is like believing that a Tornado hitting a junk yard would leaving a fully functional 747 on the other side. I agree. Theories, regardless of how scientific they are, are still men guessing at what 'may have', 'could have', 'probably' did happen. IMHO

I don't know anything about evolution. I just know things don't pop out of thin air and things just don't disappear. The universe, space, etc always existed in one form or another. Everything is in a change of form.

Every single thing (tornado, stars, moon, sun, and so forth) in nature-ourselves included-does not have a designer. Things form from pre-existing things.

A car is a harder example because we can see people creating a car. However, they didn't get pieces from no where. They came from the earth. Everything, even "artificial" things, are from the earth in one way or another.

Tornados are easier because you can see the forming of the clouds, the wind, maybe the rain, and you an feel the tornado forming. But the wind, rain, clouds, etc were already there. The tornado wasn't created from thin air, it was formed by pre existing things.

There is no designer.

Nothing wrong with that.

 

[FearGod]

The point is, though, there doesn't need to be a maker regardless if you can see it or not.

Humans try to find origins to everything to give themselves grounding. It helps to know where you're from so you know where you are and where yo are going.

That is not the way the world works. Everything has always existed in one way or another. A car has always been a car we just didn't define it as a car until someone formed already existing parts and material together to shape what we now define as a car.

Things aren't created from no where. Space isn't created. The universe isn't created. Since everything is not created from thin air, there is no creator.

What we considered "created" is just already existed things put together to make something else we haven't seen or experienced before. We label it, define it, and wallah! A Car.

What if the materials do exist but there's no man to make the car?I don't believe in randomness and chances.

 

[MonkeyFire]

If the Biblical god really exists, and is not a figment of the imagination, why does it not make its presence clear without equivocation?

By not revealing its presence in a way that is irrefutable, it would be most unjust if unbelief resulted in dire consequences as some would have you believe.

well that's what you believe in.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Because the last time he showed up, they put him to death.

Wasn't that supposedly part of the plan?

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Do we need to see the cars manufacturers to believe that they made the cars?

This is complete crap. You at least know someone who's relative of some sort worked in a car factory. You can go buy parts at the auto-parts store, which were made by companies employing human beings. You can drive past car manufacturing plants, you see and read news about the big brands - can know the names of the current CEO, CFO, COO of those companies - and you can know the new names of new people in those positions when those positions change hands. You can read the history and see photographs of people designing and building cars. In other words there is a vast array of physical, tangible evidence that people make cars - far more vast than any amount of real evidence God will ever grant us. Why do you think that is?

 

[Sonny]

This is complete crap. You at least know someone who's relative of some sort worked in a car factory. You can go buy parts at the auto-parts store, which were made by companies employing human beings. You can drive past car manufacturing plants, you see and read news about the big brands - can know the names of the current CEO, CFO, COO of those companies - and you can know the new names of new people in those positions when those positions change hands. You can read the history and see photographs of people designing and building cars. In other words there is a vast array of physical, tangible evidence that people make cars - far more vast than any amount of real evidence God will ever grant us. Why do you think that is?

Our very existence, imo, the vast complexity of each and every part and molecule of our body, screams a designer. How is it, remotely, possible for a big nothing to make two separate entities (man, woman) that can interact with each other sexually and create a baby- we have perfectly compatible body parts. You'll never see an ocean wave hit the shoreline and leave the words 'John loves Mary', let alone a baby. Nature cannot create complexity. Yet, the human body, especially our brains, are the most complex system/computer on earth.

 

[wizanda]

Wasn't that supposedly part of the plan?

The plan was to come down here and teach Oneness, the text is the result of what needed to happen, as many people really don't want to.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

If the Biblical god really exists, and is not a figment of the imagination, why does it not make its presence clear without equivocation?

By not revealing its presence in a way that is irrefutable, it would be most unjust if unbelief resulted in dire consequences as some would have you believe.

Because you can't force someone to love you. you can make yourself available to them, and yes I think God absolutely can and does make his presence clear without equivocation- where and when you look for it with an open heart yourself.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Our very existence, imo, the vast complexity of each and every part and molecule of our body, screams a designer. How is it, remotely, possible for a big nothing to make two separate entities (man, woman) that can interact with each other sexually and create a baby- we have perfectly compatible body parts. You'll never see an ocean wave hit the shoreline and leave the words 'John loves Mary', let alone a baby. Nature cannot create complexity. Yet, the human body, especially our brains, are the most complex system/computer on earth.

There is a definite and clear distinction between man-made objects, or even hand-drawn letters in the sand, and organically grown/constructed beings. You know what the vast complexity screams to me? Necessity. Everything in this universe is seeking more stable/advantageous conditions - even atoms of the elements making up the very matter of the universe. Completely devoid of consciousness, and yet they seek compatibility and stability.

And we're, in no way, talking about a "big nothing". This is where so many people have it completely wrong. The matter of the universe, just because it isn't "conscious" or aware, is not "nothing". You completely sell it short to refer to it as such - and you're playing to your human bias - expecting that anything that isn't as "smart" as you are isn't worthy of consideration. The fundamental laws of the universe have proven to simply "be". They are there, they need no explanation, and they govern our very existence. To assume that it couldn't all just "be" without there having been some "hand" to have put it there is, again, human bias. You can't fathom that something could exist without an intelligence putting it into being because you don't want to admit that the functions of the universe are completely and utterly out of your control.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

The plan was to come down here and teach Oneness, the text is the result of what needed to happen, as many people really don't want to.

Many people really don't want to what? Teach Oneness?

 

[wizanda]

Many people really don't want to what?

To follow and understand what is taught, not the person.

For them to be Oneness, to live in harmony as their ultimate goal.

To accept that we're possibly all fallen angels down near Hell, with the ability to fly when we all work together.
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