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What for?Thank you for restating what I already said.
Please address this part.
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What for?Thank you for restating what I already said.
Please address this part.
That's a '50s construct, and it's unworkable now since most families aren't able to survive on one income these days. It's also mingled with consumerist crap. In the real "old days", most people lived on farms or generally in rural areas with their extended families and everyone did work. Granny and grandpa lived with you, there weren't any nursing homes. There was no cars and so on.....women stayed home to raise the babies. Mom looked after the home and Dad earned a living so that they had food on the table and a pleasant home environment to live in.
What for?
If god had been created as a female by the authors of the Bible instead of a male, would women have been treated very differently over the centuries? In my opinion, god was only given the male gender because in the ancient world men were considered to be superior to the female.If any god does exist it is more likely to be genderless.![]()
I am not here to amuse you.You claim to be able to object to my argument, if you wish to continue that claim then address the argument instead of restating what I already had said.
I am not here to amuse you.
I said what i said, if you disagree then deal with it.
Produce evidence of your own claim.
What argument?Trying to switch the burden of proof is a fallacy that harms your argument more than helps it.
Not necessarily unworkable (although many times circumstances may dictate the need of it). In our case our decision was to adjust our living to a one income family so that more time would be invested in our children. The investment paid off with great relationships with our children, no teenage problems, no sleepless nights of worry etc.That's a '50s construct, and it's unworkable now since most families aren't able to survive on one income these days. It's also mingled with consumerist crap. In the real "old days", most people lived on farms or generally in rural areas with their extended families and everyone did work. Granny and grandpa lived with you, there weren't any nursing homes. There was no cars and so on.
So if you want to go back to the real old days, you better go live out in the country on farm or ranchland. You'll see how much work everyone has to do then. Everyone pitched in with raising the children, too. The "nuclear family" is modern nonsense.
If god had been created as a female by the authors of the Bible instead of a male, would women have been treated very differently over the centuries?
Is there anyone on this forum who thinks men and women should stay trapped in the traditional roles society and religion had placed upon them?
I don't think God has a gender, He is both. The masculine form is used to describe the human race. I believe God portrayed women as helpers because it was an extremely physical world and in order to protect them he let the men know that they were in charge. Of course this was interpreted to mean men were higher beings. Don't be stupid, you came from us. We needed protection during that period. And for the most part we were, no thanks to the Catholics or Muslims for that matter. It's a different world now and as such God has updated his message and women are considered completely equal to their male counterparts. Baha'i faith. Educate yourselfIf god had been created as a female by the authors of the Bible instead of a male, would women have been treated very differently over the centuries? In my opinion, god was only given the male gender because in the ancient world men were considered to be superior to the female.If any god does exist it is more likely to be genderless.![]()
Women featured in the Bible aren't treated well on the whole, but as reproductive machines for the most part. Solomon's many concubines obviously played a big part in keeping his dangly bits busy! Did they do it willingly, or more likely did they have no say in the matter? Whilst most Christian women these days demand to be treated as equal to men, more extreme male members of the faith still expect them to be subservient to their wishes using the Bible as an excuse.
There is very little woman can't do that men can, and visa versa. You never know, one day men might evolve enough to become pregnant!![]()
Is there anyone on this forum who thinks men and women should stay trapped in the traditional roles society and religion had placed upon them?
That's a '50s construct, and it's unworkable now since most families aren't able to survive on one income these days. It's also mingled with consumerist crap. In the real "old days", most people lived on farms or generally in rural areas with their extended families and everyone did work. Granny and grandpa lived with you, there weren't any nursing homes. There was no cars and so on.
So if you want to go back to the real old days, you better go live out in the country on farm or ranchland. You'll see how much work everyone has to do then. Everyone pitched in with raising the children, too. The "nuclear family" is modern nonsense.
Perhaps, with the obvious family problems that are everywhere, maybe the "nuclear family" is what we need to return to? You don't need a farm to have a nuclear family.
I would agree. Certainly Jesus gave a certain set of values to live life to the fullest (as I see it). Change the values, you change the results.I think it is lack of values to replace those behind a family based on marriage that is the major issue.
I would agree. Certainly Jesus gave a certain set of values to live life to the fullest (as I see it). Change the values, you change the results.
As long as it doesn't include blowing yourself up in a Jihad to get to Heaven.Sure for many religion provides those values, nothing wrong with that.
As long as it doesn't include blowing yourself up in a Jihad to get to Heaven.
Exactly. My point was simply "religion" doesn't necessarily mean correct.It seems to me that anyone who can blow themselves (or anyone else) up for any reason whatsoever is failing to obey the directives of Jesus Christ.
For Christians, if the Bible is our guide in life, then we must obey its guidelines and the teachings of the Master. Can killing ever be justified in their case?![]()
Not sure how you can come to that point. However, wars are always destructive. Life is always precious.The ancient Jews had a military force because they had territory to protect from ungodly invaders. No war that Israel fought could be without God's sanction. Those times when Israel fought wars without God's approval, their defeat was proof that He was not backing them.
There has not been a war since ancient times that had God's sanction....not one.
I agree with all the history, except one. Prophecy also dictated that Israel would be a nation again, and thus, borders once again as dictated n Amos 9:14-15.After the diaspora when the Jews spread outside of their homeland, there were no longer any borders to protect and invaders took over the holy land and its capital, as the prophets had foretold. When Jesus walked the earth, Rome was the ruling authority in Jerusalem. The Jews chafed under Roman rule and some even plotted an overthrow. Jesus however, never once advocated that his followers participate in such an uprising. He said that "the appointed times of the nations" had to run their full course before God would introduce his kingdom and put everything to right. (Luke 21:2-1-24)
Through the prophet Daniel, God foretold a succession of world powers who would hold ruling authority over his people. Beginning with Babylon, which held God's people captive for 70 years, he foretold that Medo-Persia would conquer Babylon and free God's people, even naming the ruler, Cyrus as the one who would ensure that a remnant of his people returned to their homeland. Medo-Persia was eventually conquered by Greece under Alexander the Great, but finally buckling under the might of Rome. In time Rome "fell" due to her own decadence and out of the ashes rose the British empire, in time she made an alliance with America in a dual world power that dominates to this day. This is where the prophesy gets interesting.....corrupt human rulership stops there....God's kingdom rulership takes over.
Agreed.Speaking about these last "kings", Daniel 2:44 says:
“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever"
Not sure I can agree with that. Case study would be Saul of Tarsus (Paul). Having shed innocent blood, he still qualified to be a citizen of the Kingdom.We are living in the time of the last human 'kings'. And no one who has shed innocent blood will qualify to be a citizen of that kingdom. Even their prayers were never heard by God. (Isaiah 1:15)
Understanding that life is valuable, I would still disagree. Jesus never told soldiers to put their swords down. John the Baptist only said to be content with the wages. Jesus is coming back and will destroy those who are against God. All of these are indications that sometimes one must defend oneself.Jesus said we had to "love our enemies" and to "pray for those who persecute" us. (Matthew 5:43-48) There is no room there to shed the blood of another human being...ever.
Humans will often justify bloodshed by claiming "just wars"....but unless God says they are "just" there is no such thing in this day and age.
Wars are horrible ... yes.Whether God portrayed himself as male or female.....his standards remains the same. Though warmongering seems to be a male dominated trait, nationalism seems to even attract some women to the military. It breaks my heart to see little ones saying "goodbye" to their mommies going off to the Middle East who might never come home. What are mothers doing in the armed forces?!![]()
Agreed. This is God's best. Marriage is a picture of Jesus and the church and thus their respective rolls. However, we know that there are single parental families as well as families where the wife sanctifies the home through faith as she lives with an unbeliever (as the Bible calls it).Gender roles have become so screwed up these days that people can't seem to see what the big picture is all about....families. Males were given the role of "head of the household", not in a dictatorial role but one where the buck stops with him. He has to take the wishes and needs of his whole family into account when decisions are made.....he has the steering wheel and he has command of the controls. What happens when someone else tries to take the steering wheel out of his hands in mid journey? A crash is inevitable. God's way works.IMO, There is no such thing as "old fashioned" where God's commands are concerned.
Exactly. My point was simply "religion" doesn't necessarily mean correct.
Not sure how you can come to that point. However, wars are always destructive. Life is always precious.
Prophecy also dictated that Israel would be a nation again, and thus, borders once again as dictated n Amos 9:14-15.
Not sure I can agree with that. Case study would be Saul of Tarsus (Paul). Having shed innocent blood, he still qualified to be a citizen of the Kingdom.
Understanding that life is valuable, I would still disagree. Jesus never told soldiers to put their swords down. John the Baptist only said to be content with the wages. Jesus is coming back and will destroy those who are against God. All of these are indications that sometimes one must defend oneself.
Agreed. This is God's best. Marriage is a picture of Jesus and the church and thus their respective rolls. However, we know that there are single parental families as well as families where the wife sanctifies the home through faith as she lives with an unbeliever (as the Bible calls it).
If god had been created as a female by the authors of the Bible instead of a male, would women have been treated very differently over the centuries? In my opinion, god was only given the male gender because in the ancient world men were considered to be superior to the female.If any god does exist it is more likely to be genderless.![]()
Women featured in the Bible aren't treated well on the whole, but as reproductive machines for the most part. Solomon's many concubines obviously played a big part in keeping his dangly bits busy! Did they do it willingly, or more likely did they have no say in the matter? Whilst most Christian women these days demand to be treated as equal to men, more extreme male members of the faith still expect them to be subservient to their wishes using the Bible as an excuse.
There is very little woman can't do that men can, and visa versa. You never know, one day men might evolve enough to become pregnant!![]()
Is there anyone on this forum who thinks men and women should stay trapped in the traditional roles society and religion had placed upon them?
If god had been created as a female by the authors of the Bible instead of a male, would women have been treated very differently over the centuries? In my opinion, god was only given the male gender because in the ancient world men were considered to be superior to the female.If any god does exist it is more likely to be genderless.![]()
Women featured in the Bible aren't treated well on the whole, but as reproductive machines for the most part. Solomon's many concubines obviously played a big part in keeping his dangly bits busy! Did they do it willingly, or more likely did they have no say in the matter? Whilst most Christian women these days demand to be treated as equal to men, more extreme male members of the faith still expect them to be subservient to their wishes using the Bible as an excuse.
There is very little woman can't do that men can, and visa versa. You never know, one day men might evolve enough to become pregnant!![]()
Is there anyone on this forum who thinks men and women should stay trapped in the traditional roles society and religion had placed upon them?