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What is wrong with smashing the idols?

Kirran

Premium Member
It'll be an excellent analogy if you see no more or very few Indians
living in India the same as what happened in America, you can't
see the difference.

There are millions of Native Americans in the USA.

There are many more Amerindians in other areas. In many Latin American countries, people of native ancestry constitute the majority of the population - does this mean they were not oppressed? Of course not.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I'm not talking if it is good or bad, but if you have a task to destroy or mosques then you can,
that's my point.

Evidences point to that Islam didn't target the places of worshiping.
Ignoring the tons of evidence that they did destroy many many places of worship have been posted throughout this thread. Your refusal to even acknowedge them show your prejudices well enough. Your rediculous argument that Muslims must have not oppressed them and destroyed their places of worship since a few still exist implies
1) American Indians were not oppressed in USA since many still exist in the country.
2) Jews were never oppressed in Europe for they still live there and some of their ancient synagogues still exist.
3) Sikhs were never persecuted by Muslims since they and their religion still exist
4)Taliban and ISIS never broke idols or persecuted the Hazaras because many Buddha statues still exist in Afghanistan and Hazaras still exist.
5) The Huns did not destroy and vandalize Rome as many Romans buildings still stand.
6) Marxist China did not persecute Tibetan Buddhists as Buddhists still exist in Tibet and many of their temples still stand.

It appears that according to you nobody persecuted anybody ever, period. Congrats.

I have already documented the extensive historical evidence of the persecution of Hindus and Zoroastrian by Muslims after the conquest. The evudence is copious and undeniable to any rational person. But your faith has made you blind.
 

beenherebeforeagain

Rogue Animist
Premium Member
Coming to the topic, please
What is wrong with smashing the idols?

The statues that Abraham broke, to demonstrate an argument, were not yet sold for worship, neither for the private worship nor for the worship in a temple.
Regards
And were they his property? Or did they perhaps belong to someone else who had made them and/or was going to sell them? did he reimburse the person whose property he destroyed "to demonstrate an argument?"
 

Kirran

Premium Member
But your faith has made you blind.

In fairness, I think it's more his approach to his faith which makes him blind. It's this narrow-minded us vs them nonsense and an inability to consider nuance in a situation, brought about by education problems and by currently prevailing cultural narratives.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
To summarise: the fact that parts of Spain were better off under Muslim rule than under Christian rule somehow whitewashes the fact that India has suffered for centuries because of Muslim presence there.

If any Muslims anywhere were ever not too bad, it means all Muslims everywhere are always good.

One could reverse the logic. It still wouldn't make sense though.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
In fairness, I think it's more his approach to his faith which makes him blind. It's this narrow-minded us vs them nonsense and an inability to consider nuance in a situation, brought about by education problems and by currently prevailing cultural narratives.
His particular belief system. I too am not a person who generalizes. But I would say this. Unlike the West who are partially aware of much evils their ancestors have done in the past, the Muslim world, in general is not aware of similar evils in their own past. They are taught a pious and triumphal "history" , and this makes it natural for many to disbelieve the actual realities when they do come across them.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
His particular belief system. I too am not a person who generalizes. But I would say this. Unlike the West who are partially aware of much evils their ancestors have done in the past, the Muslim world, in general is not aware of similar evils in their own past. They are taught a pious and triumphal "history" , and this makes it natural for many to disbelieve the actual realities when they do come across them.

That seems a fair assessment, overall.

What is your impression of the situation in this regard in India and in East Asia? Japan, perhaps, has more national contrition.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Muslims can easily destroy all places of worshiping if Islam promoting for doing so,
evidences show that Islam doesn't demand destroying any place of worshiping,
for example the church of Nativity is very holy for the Christians and Muslims
did never disturb the Christians or their places of worshiping even though
that they can during the Islamic empire.
Church of the Nativity - Wikipedia
Do you even realize how this sounds? That is exactly the kind of thing that ISIS says and that causes people to have such deep mistrust of Islaam.
 

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
That seems a fair assessment, overall.

What is your impression of the situation in this regard in India and in East Asia? Japan, perhaps, has more national contrition.
The Hindu nationalists (some of them) are refusing to believe much of actual history by calling them a Marxist-colonist conspiracy. In Japan too, nationalism is on the rise with spats between Korea and China on their refusal to fully acknowledge the atrocities committed there during the Sino-Japanese wars. In Europe too, the far right groups may glorify the colonial traditions of the countries if they have their way. Overall, as the trauma of the War and the fear of a nuclear holocaust fades, I fear history may once again be used to serve its traditional role of creating false propaganda narratives to shore up the ego of kings, nations and peoples. People don't want to be self-critical, so they will rather go for stories that glorify them, natural instinct.
:(
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Yeah but I mean Fear would probably label it as that in a knee-jerk reaction without stopping to consider he's employing the exact same logic in reverse.
At this point I wonder if he won't be reassured by that realization. Many Muslims seem to take refuge into strictly dualistic thinking in situations such as this.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
There are millions of Native Americans in the USA.

There are many more Amerindians in other areas. In many Latin American countries, people of native ancestry constitute the majority of the population - does this mean they were not oppressed? Of course not.

Maximum they are just 1.5 percent of the population, comparing it to India we
realize that Muslim did no harm to the native people of India.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Ignoring the tons of evidence that they did destroy many many places of worship have been posted throughout this thread. Your refusal to even acknowedge them show your prejudices well enough. Your rediculous argument that Muslims must have not oppressed them and destroyed their places of worship since a few still exist implies
1) American Indians were not oppressed in USA since many still exist in the country.
2) Jews were never oppressed in Europe for they still live there and some of their ancient synagogues still exist.
3) Sikhs were never persecuted by Muslims since they and their religion still exist
4)Taliban and ISIS never broke idols or persecuted the Hazaras because many Buddha statues still exist in Afghanistan and Hazaras still exist.
5) The Huns did not destroy and vandalize Rome as many Romans buildings still stand.
6) Marxist China did not persecute Tibetan Buddhists as Buddhists still exist in Tibet and many of their temples still stand.

It appears that according to you nobody persecuted anybody ever, period. Congrats.

I have already documented the extensive historical evidence of the persecution of Hindus and Zoroastrian by Muslims after the conquest. The evudence is copious and undeniable to any rational person. But your faith has made you blind.

And do you blame people or their religions for the oppression happening every where?
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
To summarise: the fact that parts of Spain were better off under Muslim rule than under Christian rule somehow whitewashes the fact that India has suffered for centuries because of Muslim presence there.

Not only Spain, we have the Middle east as a whole, Egypt, Palestine, Syria, Turkey,
Iran...etc, we only hear the bad news coming from India, this is an indication that they lied.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Maximum they are just 1.5 percent of the population, comparing it to India we
realize that Muslim did no harm to the native people of India.

In Latin America many countries have up to 80% of the population of Amerindian descent.

Similar to the 80% Hindus in India.
 
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