Faith

[Ubon]

What is Faith other then a term created to make people believe in something that cannot be proven.

Then the term is used to bring guilt upon one who intelligently questions that which is beyond the five senses and does not feel the Faith.

Feeling little faith one then fears asking questions because they may be ridiculed for not yet believing certain stories.

Faith forces compliance and subjugation to something rather then a search for facts.

A man may hold a stone in his hand, he refuses to open the hand and insists you have faith he holds it.

Unless he opens the hand why believe.

 

[Skwim]

Faith is belief with trust.

It's a trust that permits us to navigate the world a bit more easily.

When stopping at a four-way stop intersection, and someone then comes to intersection from the side, I proceed ahead with the faith---trust in my belief---that they will recognize I have the right-of-way and won't T-bone me mid-intersection.


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[Sunstone]

What is Faith other then a term created to make people believe in something that cannot be proven.

The Biblical story of Doubting Thomas should give pause to anyone who wishes to argue that Christian faith is necessarily "belief in the absence of evidence", much less "belief contrary to evidence." Of course, faith might mean the latter two things for some Christians, but it need not mean those things, given Thomas.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

What is Faith other then a term created to make people believe in something that cannot be proven.

Then the term is used to bring guilt upon one who intelligently questions that which is beyond the five senses and does not feel the Faith.

Feeling little faith one then fears asking questions because they may be ridiculed for not yet believing certain stories.

Faith forces compliance and subjugation to something rather then a search for facts.

A man may hold a stone in his hand, he refuses to open the hand and insists you have faith he holds it.

Unless he opens the hand why believe.

Faith is a moving target. Traditionally, it usually meant something more like "loyalty"; it only morphed into "belief without evidence" when it became clear that the evidence was lacking.

 

[psychoslice]

Yes and that is why I don't hold faith, especially religious faith, its like a child believing in Santa and not wanting he's dream shattered.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

What is Faith other then a term created to make people believe in something that cannot be proven.

Then the term is used to bring guilt upon one who intelligently questions that which is beyond the five senses and does not feel the Faith.

Feeling little faith one then fears asking questions because they may be ridiculed for not yet believing certain stories.

Faith forces compliance and subjugation to something rather then a search for facts.

A man may hold a stone in his hand, he refuses to open the hand and insists you have faith he holds it.

Unless he opens the hand why believe.

Faith is trust. It is a fact that the sun rises everyday but I am not certain it will rise tommorrow. Most likely it will, but I ant test what hasnt occures yet. So, I put my faith and trust that the sun will rise. The more faith I put into it, it starts to masks itself as fact. It isnt.

God is the same way. Believers have faith based in experiences they have with god daily. The more they have experiences, the more they associate it with god. Soon, the more faith they put into god, it masks as fact. It is not.

Faith isnt a made up word. If you know that your parent will help you, you can still have faith in your parent. You trust your parent because you know he will help you.

I think the term you are using is whst some consider blind-faith. Christians dont have that type ofnfwuth. They bekieve they Know god e exists and because he does (like my e xample) they put faith/truzt in him.

It shouldnt be based on fear and all of that. That has nothing to do with teust.nif a christian knows god they shoukdnt force their beliefs on people. Its nit the belief. Its the people.

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[Unveiled Artist]

Ill ddit it the post tomorrowm night folks

 

[George-ananda]

What is Faith other then a term created to make people believe in something that cannot be proven.

Then the term is used to bring guilt upon one who intelligently questions that which is beyond the five senses and does not feel the Faith.

Feeling little faith one then fears asking questions because they may be ridiculed for not yet believing certain stories.

Faith forces compliance and subjugation to something rather then a search for facts.

A man may hold a stone in his hand, he refuses to open the hand and insists you have faith he holds it.

Unless he opens the hand why believe.

I think one at least needs Faith+Reason.

 

[arthra]

What is Faith other then a term created to make people believe in something that cannot be proven.

Well in our case the meaning of "Faith" is not "something that cannot be proved"... Our definition of Faith was more or less defined by Abdul-Baha when He visited London in 1911..

"There are three kinds of Faith: first, that which is from tradition and birth. For example: a child is born of Muhammadan parents, he is a Muhammadan. This faith is weak traditional faith: second, that which comes from Knowledge, and is the faith of understanding. This is good, but there is a better, the faith of practice. This is real faith.

"We hear there is an invention, we believe it is good; then we come and see it. We hear that there is wealth, we see it; we work hard for it, and become rich ourselves and so help others. We know and we see the Light, we go close to it, are warmed by it, and reflect its rays on others; this is real faith, and thus we receive power to become the eternal sons of God."

~ Abdu'l-Baha, Abdu'l-Baha in London, p. 64

 

[Ubon]

Faith and Blind faith are one and the same without proof.

People claim they experience God, what proof is there other then thinking its a holy experience that it actually is of God.

Why would a God play hide and seek when he could simply appear, why send jesus to die for our sins when he could simply appear and say so it should be.

Heaven may be a place created naturally as is a canyon or forest, but not be a creation of God, perhaps it just formed naturally.

 

[Skwim]

Faith and Blind faith are one and the same without proof.

I assume that by "blind" faith you mean faith backed by no reason whatsoever. If so, take the example I gave in post 2. If past experience showed that people never recognize such a thing as right-of-way at such an intersection, then indeed my faith would be blind. However, because past experience has shown they do, my faith would not be blind, but based on reason. Faith ≠ blind faith.


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[Ubon]

I assume that by "blind" faith you mean faith backed by no reason whatsoever. If so, take they example I gave in post 2. If past experience showed that people never recognize such a thing as right-of-way at such an intersection, then indeed my faith would be blind. However, because past experience has shown they do, my faith would not be blind, but based on reason. Faith ≠ blind faith.


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Your behaviour at intersections are formed by past events you witnessed at those intersections with your five senses.

What has anyone got to show they have witnessed past or present anything even related to Gods existence other then faith.

 

[Skwim]

Your behaviour at intersections are formed by past events you witnessed at those intersections with your five senses.

What has anyone got to show they have witnessed past or present anything even related to Gods existence other then faith.

*sigh* Not addressing that point at all. Only your contention that faith = blind faith, which it doesn't.


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[Ubon]

*sigh* Not addressing that point at all. Only your contention that faith = blind faith, which it doesn't.

Im trying to understand with no proof of something whatsoever, how is faith anything other then Blind faith.

Show me God, not just Scriptures that contradict other scriptures in the same book, books with fanciful stories written at times to control the masses with either fear or hope.

And the formation of the word faith which forces people to not question anything in the good book for fear of being called a faithless blasphemer.

I neither believe nor disbelieve in God as God may well exist, but until i see i will never say with certainty he exists.

No one has shown the existence of God in mans entire history.


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[Skwim]

Im trying to understand with no proof of something whatsoever, how is faith anything other then Blind faith.

Sorry but I don't think I can put it any plainer than what I said in post 11.

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[JJ50]

People should never accept anything which has no basis in fact like faith!

 

[Ubon]

If christianity leads you on the right path that is good to so i respect that.

 

[JJ50]

If christianity leads you on the right path that is good to so i respect that.

In the hands of the, 'you must be 'saved' mob, it can be very abusive and nasty.

 

[allfoak]

What is Faith other then a term created to make people believe in something that cannot be proven.

Then the term is used to bring guilt upon one who intelligently questions that which is beyond the five senses and does not feel the Faith.

Feeling little faith one then fears asking questions because they may be ridiculed for not yet believing certain stories.

Faith forces compliance and subjugation to something rather then a search for facts.

A man may hold a stone in his hand, he refuses to open the hand and insists you have faith he holds it.

Unless he opens the hand why believe.

If thoughts are things, then faith has substance.
It is evidence that someone has hope in their lives and is the substance of that yet unrealized hope.

Do not underestimate the power of thought.

 

[rusra02]

I do not believe faith is belief in something or someone without any proof; at least, that is not the Bible's definition of faith. True faith is "Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen." (Hebrews 11:1) Regarding what faith is, w09/5 says; "At the time of the writing of the Bible book of Hebrews, the Greek term translated “assured expectation” was commonly used. It often appeared in business documents and carried the idea of a guarantee of future possession of something. Therefore, one reference work suggests that Hebrews 11:1 could be translated: “Faith is the title-deed of things hoped for.”
If you have ever bought an item from a reputable company and then waited for it to be delivered, you have exercised that type of faith. The sales receipt in your hand gave you reason for faith in the company from which you bought the item. In a sense, that receipt was your title deed, your guarantee that you would receive what you purchased. If you had lost the receipt or had thrown it away, you would have lost the proof of your claim of ownership. Similarly, those who have faith that God will fulfill his promises are guaranteed to receive what they hope for. On the other hand, those who do not have faith, or who lose it, are not entitled to receive the things God promises.—James 1:5-8.
The second expression at Hebrews 11:1, translated “evident demonstration,” carries the idea of producing evidence that contradicts that which only appears to be factual. For instance, the sun appears to revolve around the earth—rising in the east, moving through the sky, and setting in the west. However, evidence from astronomy and mathematics reveals that the earth is not the center of the solar system. Once you become familiar with that evidence and accept it as true, you have faith that the earth revolves around the sun—despite what your eyes tell you. Your faith is not blind. On the contrary, it gives you the ability to see things as they really are, not merely as they seem to be."