The Christians belief that Jesus is literally the Son of God. Is this possible? Is there a better way of considering this core Christian belief?
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Is Jesus the Son of God?
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sovietchild
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No. God does not have a son.
Why not? God can do anything. Why not have a son?
sovietchild
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How can He have a son when He has no consort?
If God is Omnipotent and All-powerful why does he require a consort?
psychoslice
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For me Jesus was only a metaphor, he represented all of us, he was a self realized man who realized his Oneness with the Source of all, God. We are all One with the Source, as a mind body organism we believe we are separate from the Source, and so we have religions and their stories to bring us back to our true self, call that self the Christ, the Buddha, or whatever.
So there is no physical evidence of the existence of Jesus then? Is that it?
I think a better way is thinking God is in all of us and Jesus is closer to God than most by his spiritual level.
I like the metaphor introduced to me by the Baha'i faith regarding the sun and the mirrors. The heat and light, and image of the sun are reflected in a perfect mirror, but the sun does not dwell to descend in the mirror. Likewise the attributes of God such as love and justice are reflected in the pure mirror of Christ, but God does not descend to dwell in the mirror.
Calling Jesus God's Son in a literal sense would mean that he has the literal dna of God, in which case God would literally be a human or literally have a face and hand, but I consider God to be a spiritual being rather than a physical one. So Jesus would physically be the Son of Mary, and metaphorically be family with God because they are of spiritual likeness in their attributes.
Unveiled Artist
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Jesus is literally the son (followerer/disciple/to his master) of the creator. (Child of god). His creator told him to spread His (the creator's) Words/message to those who believe. Jesus became the Word (meaning the Message of the creator) and to whom follows jesus (the messenger) follows the creator (the person sending the message).
A christian is a child of god just as jesus. He is called The Son because he offer's His Father's message of redemption through himself as the Word.
Its based on meaning and relationship between creator and jesus not the words themselves. God didnt give birth to jesus.
What you say makes sense. How could we account for the Christian story of the virgin Mother of God. Is that also a metaphor?
Please explain
Thank you. Perhaps you are thinking of this passage in the Christian Bible:
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name.... John 1:12-13. So are we all children of God. Thats sounds like being back in the 60s and 70s again with flower power. A great time for sure with excellent music. The free love and dropping out perhaps not so wise
So I think where is a little more to the Christians. I'd like to think I have ears to hear.Excellent
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In Christian scripture Mathew 1:18-25 it is written:
This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit.
Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.
But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.
She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”
All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet:
”The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”-- which means, “God with us.”
When Joseph awoke, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife.
But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
We need to be able make sense of this too. What else did the Baha'i writiing say to explain this?
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Thank you. Perhaps you are thinking of this passage in the Christian Bible:
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name.... John 1:12-13. So are we all children of God. Thats sounds like being back in the 60s and 70s again with flower power. A great time for sure with excellent music. The free love and dropping out perhaps not so wise
Excellent
Haha. Flower Power. I got the reruns in the 80s with Wonder Woman among others. Youre welcome. It takes some deep thought to really get scripture. Behind the words of gold.
psychoslice
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Well there is no reliable evidence, and personally it doesn't worry me, the metaphors are what I am interested in, from whatever scriptures that my be.
I had my teen years in the 70s and 80s so just loved the music including woodstock.
On another thread some Christians were trying to convince some Jews that Jesus must have been the Messiah because Mary was a virgin. I don't think using this story as a proof to those who are not Christian a good idea. We can't possibly prove it. Really!!!!? So I wanted to encourage some deeper reflection what is a profound Spiritual teaching in the Christian Faith.
How about the account of Josephus the Jewish historian who was not a Christian?
psychoslice
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That has been proven to be a forgery, and it doesn't really say much about him. Lets face it, if a man like Jesus was around at that time when historians were writing about everything, and the things that Jesus supposedly did, like walking on water and the rest, don't you think that would be a big event that everyone around that area would have head about. Even when he was supposedly crucified, there was a big earthquake, that opened many graves, and many of the dead in those graves woke up and walked into the city, this even would have been huge, but nothing written about it except what the scriptures tell us, and I believe they are not reliable as facts of history.How about the account of Josephus the Jewish historian who was not a Christian?
According to who?
The consensus amongst historians seems to be that it was't.
Josephus - Wikipedia
How about He was crucified and the earthquake didn't happen and the dead didn't literally rise from their graves? That would account for why such things were no mentioned by Josephus, make Jesus a real historic person, and account for metaphorical embellishments in the story.