For those who think that prophet Mohammad was a pedophile

[FearGod]

I don't know. Most Muslims believe he did though, and it's what's found in ahadith. The fact it's accepted traditionally is the problem.

I can hardly prove that he did or that didn't, and have no intention of trying.

But the fact that we have records saying he married adult women by no means disproves that he could have had sex with a child. Plenty of pederasts also have had sex with adult women.

If you have no way to know then how come to accuse him of doing it?

 

[FearGod]

When we build bridges and have better relations all this hostility will fade away.

There's no hostility, it's only debating.

 

[Kirran]

If you have no way to know then how come to accuse him of doing it?

I'm not accusing him.

My problem is with the fact most Muslims revere a dude who they believe had sex with a 9 yr old.

 

[Rival]

If you have no way to know then how come to accuse him of doing it?

Because Muslims tend to tell us he did and Islamic socities are generally the worse for child marriage because of it.

 

[FearGod]

There wasn't anything slanderous about any of this. Given the culture, it would seem more like a legend about Muhammad's virility. How many guys his age could keep up with a teenager?
So, in a culture that doesn't much keep track of dates or ages, it would be tempting to guess about Aisha's age and make her younger than she really was. There is absolutely nothing in the rest of his history suggesting an interest in young girls, just the opposite. And a man in his position could have had a huge collection of them if he wanted them.
His first and main marriage was to a strong and smart woman older than him. Whether Muhammad was a feminist when he married Khadija or she shaped him into one, Muhammad was a feminist (by the standards of his day) He greatly improved the general conditions for women in a culture that largely treated them as livestock.
To me, that is a much bigger deal than stories about one particular wife which may or may not be true.
Tom

Well said indeed and even a smart one.

 

[Notanumber]

And that's a lie.

And that is unreasonable.

What if a man you knew began telling people that God was routinely speaking to him and only him - and that the "revelations" he claimed to be receiving were mostly about him and his relative importance to all other people? Say, for example, that this self-proclaimed prophet insisted that God had declared him to be the 'excellent pattern of conduct' for mankind (Quran 33:21) and that others were therefore to accord him with special privilege, unwavering obedience (Quran 4:80) , wealth and earthly desires, including all of the slaves and more women than his lust could handle.

Such figures still arise from time to time. Some of the more dynamic manage to develop a small group of followers so taken with their leader's self assurance that they willingly offer their own children to him for "marriage" or even kill on his behalf.

Would it really validate the message of any such cult leader if his followers did successfully kill and seize the property of anyone who dared disagree? What if they gradually expanded their power and numbers in such fashion that eventually they were recognized as a major world religion? Would that make the cult leader's claims about himself true? Would it really change the fact that what they believe ultimately sprang from the imagination of a narcissist?

In 610, an Arab salesman with a commanding personality attracted a small cult of credulous fanatics by claiming to be a prophet. Though his "revelations" were self-referential and occasionally contradicting, he was successful in manipulating his followers with promises of heavenly reward and threat of divine wrath. The god heard only by him told them to lie and steal for him, to give their children to him for sexual pleasure and, eventually, to gruesomely murder his detractors.

There are two ways to approach a study of Muhammad. One is with reverence and the other is with skepticism. Thinking persons choose the latter. They are not influenced by the number of Muslim believers in the world today or by their force of belief because these are meaningless for determining truth. They care only about fact.

The facts presented here about the life of Muhammad and the origins of Islam are fully supported by the works of early Muslim biographers upon which all later historians rely.

The Life of Muhammad

 

[FearGod]

I'm not accusing him.

My problem is with the fact most Muslims revere a dude who they believe had sex with a 9 yr old.

Because such kind of Muslims wanted it to themselves, why to blame the one who loved
a woman in her 40s and stayed with her 25 years that even Aisha was feeling Jealous
about his great love to Khadija after she passed away.

Women in his era were suffering a lot and before his death he said in his
final sermon be kind to your women, be kind to your women.

 

[Kirran]

Because such kind of Muslims wanted it to themselves, why to blame the one who loved
a woman in her 40s and stayed with her 25 years that even Aisha was feeling Jealous
about his great love to Khadija after she passed away.

Women in his era were suffering a lot and before his death he said in his
final sermon be kind to your women, be kind to your women.

Yeah, that's a positive development. But if people see a perfect role model in a man who had sex with a 9 year old? That isn't a great example for people to follow, huh?

 

[FearGod]

And that is unreasonable.

Go and find some propaganda against Islam than wasting your time in a serious debate,
you can find many videos and article out there in the network.

 

[Notanumber]

Go and find some propaganda against Islam than wasting your time in a serious debate,
you can find many videos and article out there in the network.

No, I am here providing some evidence. This is something that you seem incapable of doing.

 

[FearGod]

Yeah, that's a positive development. But if people see a perfect role model in a man who had sex with a 9 year old? That isn't a great example for people to follow, huh?

Why to blame the prophet if some wanted to believe so, it's the same as blaming Islam for
some politicians who fight in the name of Islam and they kill innocent people for no reason
other than their agenda which never good for Islam and Muslims, the prophet ordered not
to harm a child, a woman and the elderly, terrorists are killing women and children and even
they're killing the Muslims, why to blame Islam if such group claim to fight for Islam.

 

[FearGod]

No, I am here providing some evidence. This is something that you seem incapable of doing.

My little child can do your simple work.

 

[Kirran]

Why to blame the prophet if some wanted to believe so, it's the same as blaming Islam for
some politicians who fight in the name of Islam and they kill innocent people for no reason
other than their agenda which never good for Islam and Muslims, the prophet ordered not
to harm a child, a woman and the elderly, terrorists are killing women and children and even
they're killing the Muslims, why to blame Islam if such group claim to fight for Islam.

I'm not blaming the Prophet, I'm blaming the beliefs people have about him.

Most Muslims believe Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old child.

Most Muslims believe Muhammad ordered people not to kill women and children on conflict.

Similar levels of evidence for both claims.

 

[Notanumber]

My little child can do your simple work.

Better get him on here PDQ. You could use some help.

 

[FearGod]

Most Muslims believe Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old child

Did you make a study and research about their number?

 

[jeager106]

As of 2014, there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. That number is expected to grow to 2.2 billion by 2030. Islam, the religion practiced by Muslims, is the second-largest religion in the world.
I'm a stickler for facts & figures and posted this in case some might think
Islam not a major, major, religion in the world today.

Christian population? there are 2.18 billion Christians in the world today.
Today the numbers of the two worlds major religions is pretty close.
Soon there will be more Muslims than Christians.
I'd say the ancient Crusades failed completely.
There is nothing contained in either of the world religions that command
we go to war and eliminate the other.
Neither "God", Allah or Jehovah, ( or if you prefer, Jesus) wants a world religious war.
Can anyone even imagine Jesus commanding followers to take up
the sword and kill all others of all different religions?
So why to some Muslims find it necessary to murder others?
Murder homosexuals in a night club.
Run a large truck through a crowd of people whose only crime was
being there.
Fly large jet aircraft into tall buildings murdering people who did nothing
save exist?
And this:
Jihad Report
Dec 17, 2016 -
Dec 23, 2016
Attacks 42
Killed 245
Injured 310
Suicide Blasts 6
Countries 13

In ONE week world wide.

Atrocity of the Week

Woman Beheaded for Going
Shopping Without Husband
And this? ^^^^

Jihad Report
November, 2016
Attacks 231
Killed 2008
Injured 3082
Suicide Blasts 27
Countries 29
It's been a bloody week. Over 5,000 dead or injured by the Religion
of Peace.
( No you won't see any of this on the 6 o'clock news. Not p.c.)
Wonder would Muhammud have approved of this as a means of
attraction to His religion?

I really believe Islam IS THE religion of peace.
Sadly some have fallen into the trap and false thinking that murder
somehow influences others into following a religious path.

First, the Messenger of Mercy, Prophet Muhammad, proclaimed that he would adhere to God’s commandments. And contrary to forcing people to accept Islam, God explicitly prohibited forced conversion: “There is no compulsion in faith” (Qur’an 2:256)

"There is no compulsion in faith."

Muhammud would NOT approve of today's Islamic violence world wide.
2.1 BILLION Muslims in this world.
Only 15% take part in, or support, or approve of violence to promote
Islam.
There are plenty of Christians that would do the same. They don't for
some reason.
The Westboro Baptists preach HATE openly and on the media.

 

[Kirran]

Did you make a study and research about their number?

Nope. But most Muslims I talk to believe it (this is anecdotal) and most writings by mainstream Islamic scholars I come across preach it as true.

Do you believe it?

 

[loverofhumanity]

I'm not blaming the Prophet, I'm blaming the beliefs people have about him.

Most Muslims believe Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old child.

Most Muslims believe Muhammad ordered people not to kill women and children on conflict.

Similar levels of evidence for both claims.

People for the most part blindly follow their leaders, the media or what their friends say instead of doing proper research and using their own minds.

 

[Sakeenah]

Dear Muslims,

None of this would matter except... You all defend the idea that Muhammad is the PERFECT role model. Not just a "good guy", or an "effective politician" or even a "brilliant general".

No, that's not enough for you, we have to all agree that he was PERFECT. When you make that claim, you set yourself up for criticism.

It's clear from the widespread misogyny in the Muslim world that millions and millions of Muslims have somehow managed to misunderstand Muhammad's life. Such widespread misunderstanding is evidence against the claim of perfection.

Who said you all have to agree? Are you basing this on debates with a few Muslims on RF as if they represent 1.6bilion Muslims. I don't think you have to agree with my ideas,claims and beliefs and I don't have to agree with any of your claims.

 

[loverofhumanity]

There's no hostility, it's only debating.

I bought an excellent Quran app the other day. It has the Arabic and English translation as well as the English transliteration which to me is important and gives the meaning of each word. The best I've found so far.

I'm always looking for more digital books such as commentaries, I have many English Qurans but translations are quite poor except for one or two.