For those who think that prophet Mohammad was a pedophile

[FearGod]

Please don't keep using the word 'stupid' because it's rude. I can't like any post that insults people.

You have good arguments but once you say people are stupid you lose respect for your entire argument.

Please don't call people here stupid.

Stupid is different than making oneself looks stupid, evidence needs facts, but just
accusing and debating while not showing any facts is what I see as problematic.
Don't worry, I never made any insult to people that I respect even if opposing my
views and if they have serious discussion than bla..bla

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him was known to be a decent and a honest man, he
didn't has any relation with any women in his youth years even though that obscenity was
existing in the Arabian peninsula and women were available as slaves in all ages, so finding
a woman in that era wasn't a big issue.

The first wife of the prophet was Khadija, she was a widow of the age of 40 while
the prophet was at the age of 25, he loved her regardless of her age and they stayed
married for 25 years and when she died at the age of 65, the prophet was at the age of 50.

Khadija was the first woman to accept Islam as she knows her husband very well and
she trusted him even before being married to him, the prophet was called the truthful
and the honest( as-sadiq al-amin) which I believe it was planned by Allah in order for
his people to believe and accept the message of Islam.

To be continued ....

Dear fear God; how is a beautiful relationship between one man and one woman that both lovingly make it sound. It beats every civil argument or dispute.
Peace be upon you.

 

[FearGod]

We have writings from Aisha herself stating her age. I think we have an idea how old she was

You mean when she was swinging and holding a barbie?

 

[shmogie]

I can't be bothered to do any research on my own, so can somebody direct me to any evidence that Mohammad married and had sex with an eight year old girl? Preferably a passage from the Qur'an?

I've heard that a lot from people.

Hadith. Ayisha, ol' mo' married her at 6 YO but didn't have sex with her till she was 9. Why do you think child (literally) brides are so accepted in the moslem culture ?

 

[jeager106]

I just skip over the whole pedophile crap.
Why?
Because it's crap and an insult to Islam.
I don't support, but to study Islam with an open mind.
It is after all a HUGE world wide religion and worthy of learning
about.

 

[jeager106]

In cultures where child bride are accepted it does no mean
the "husband" is a pedophile at all.
From what I understand no sex happens until the child bride isn't
a child any longer.
Back in the day in American 14 year old brides were common. Very common.

 

[Notanumber]

Keep on topic please and try to prove that my title is wrong.

Already proved it!

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

And such person who can have a multiple fetishes can stay with one woman older
than him for 25 years, the prophet didn't choose any kind of women till he reached
the age of 25, so what do you think ?

This thread isn't about the love of the prophet, it's up to you if you choose to hate him

Okay look he had obviously older civil problems with women and then created another civil matter with a person too young.

 

[shmogie]

Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him was known to be a decent and a honest man, he
didn't has any relation with any women in his youth years even though that obscenity was
existing in the Arabian peninsula and women were available as slaves in all ages, so finding
a woman in that era wasn't a big issue.

The first wife of the prophet was Khadija, she was a widow of the age of 40 while
the prophet was at the age of 25, he loved her regardless of her age and they stayed
married for 25 years and when she died at the age of 65, the prophet was at the age of 50.

Khadija was the first woman to accept Islam as she knows her husband very well and
she trusted him even before being married to him, the prophet was called the truthful
and the honest( as-sadiq al-amin) which I believe it was planned by Allah in order for
his people to believe and accept the message of Islam.

To be continued ....

Many folk here are ignorant of the history and founding, and culture of islam, You are exploiting this ignorance to paint a very false picture of the islamic system of belief and government. I won't let you do it. You are employing a version of taqqiya. So, post your propaganda, I will respond with the truth. While we are at it, lets address the history, violence, misogyny, and all the rest that are inherent in the islamic system, based upon the writings and detailed observations of the life of your "prophet". Are you up to it ?

 

[LuisDantas]

It is probably fair to point out that the perception of the role of marriage changed a lot in the last 1400 years.

There are indications that one of the main functions of marriage was to establish which man had the duty to care for the woman if and when her father and brothers were not capable of doing it. That is why there are specific rules for marrying one's brother's widow and even the orphans and widows of one's tribe's enemies in both Judaism and Christianity.

Of course, very few adepts of Judaism or Christians propose that the people of the time are perfect models.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Independence first
Please and find your love,

In cultures where child bride are accepted it does no mean
the "husband" is a pedophile at all.
From what I understand no sex happens until the child bride isn't
a child any longer.
Back in the day in American 14 year old brides were common. Very common.

It was shunned if the man or woman was way out side the age group.
Like I said some may have hit it off within their relative age groups usually in teenage and up years.

 

[mojtaba]

When Prophet Muhammad married with Aisha, she was 22 or 24 (See here: How old was Aesha when she married the Messenger of God, peace be upon him and his pure progeny).

In addition, before Prophet Muhammad, Aisha had married with another man whose name was Jobayr ibn Mot'im. So that when Prophet married with her, she was not virgin. Source: At-Tabaqat Al-Kobra by Ibn Sa'd, V8, P.59.

Also, marriage of Prophet Muhammad with Aisha had political reasons. Prophet Muhammad married with some women for political reasons, but never did any sexual intercource with them.

 

[meghanwaterlillies]

Screw you guys; say anything to justify something that isn't what people need even to be happy or have a free life, and children. You shouldn't fight to make more civil battles,
Did you say peace?
What if someone calls in the rocks and finally says the P word.
That's pride.
And I don't mean the good kind like something to be proud of in truth.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Stupid is different than making oneself looks stupid, evidence needs facts, but just
accusing and debating while not showing any facts is what I see as problematic.
Don't worry, I never made any insult to people that I respect even if opposing my
views and if they have serious discussion than bla..bla

When we build bridges and have better relations all this hostility will fade away.

 

[Kirran]

You were making imaginary examples that men can be married while attracting
to children, I asked you if you have evidence that the prophet was attracted to
children while living with Khadija, you didn't make a rational answer other than bla..bla...

You can be attracted the children AND older women.

Also, it doesn't matter whether he was attracted to her - what matters is whether he had sex with a 9 yr old.

 

[icehorse]

Child marriage was not uncommon in many places at the time, Arabia included. It often served political purposes, and Aisha's marriage to Muhammad would have had a political connotation.

Some people say she was 9 at time of consummation, some people say she was 12 and some people say she was 17.

Muhammad Niknam Arabshahi, an Iranian Islamic scholar and historian, has considered six different approaches to determining Aisha'a age and concluded that she was engaged in her late teens.

Dear Muslims,

None of this would matter except... You all defend the idea that Muhammad is the PERFECT role model. Not just a "good guy", or an "effective politician" or even a "brilliant general".

No, that's not enough for you, we have to all agree that he was PERFECT. When you make that claim, you set yourself up for criticism.

It's clear from the widespread misogyny in the Muslim world that millions and millions of Muslims have somehow managed to misunderstand Muhammad's life. Such widespread misunderstanding is evidence against the claim of perfection.

 

[FearGod]

Already proved it!

And that's a lie.

 

[FearGod]

You can be attracted the children AND older women.

Also, it doesn't matter whether he was attracted to her - what matters is whether he had sex with a 9 yr old.

And how could you know that he did?

 

[Kirran]

And how could you know that he did?

I don't know. Most Muslims believe he did though, and it's what's found in ahadith. The fact it's accepted traditionally is the problem.

I can hardly prove that he did or that didn't, and have no intention of trying.

But the fact that we have records saying he married adult women by no means disproves that he could have had sex with a child. Plenty of pederasts also have had sex with adult women.

 

[columbus]

As you can see at Aisha - Wikipedia

it is not really disputed that one of Muhammad's wives was well underage. At least, neither Shia nor Sunni dispute it.

To doubt it would essentially mean to believe that early companions of Muhammad decided to slander him while he was still alive. That, of course, sounds almost completely unbelievable.

There wasn't anything slanderous about any of this. Given the culture, it would seem more like a legend about Muhammad's virility. How many guys his age could keep up with a teenager?
So, in a culture that doesn't much keep track of dates or ages, it would be tempting to guess about Aisha's age and make her younger than she really was. There is absolutely nothing in the rest of his history suggesting an interest in young girls, just the opposite. And a man in his position could have had a huge collection of them if he wanted them.
His first and main marriage was to a strong and smart woman older than him. Whether Muhammad was a feminist when he married Khadija or she shaped him into one, Muhammad was a feminist (by the standards of his day) He greatly improved the general conditions for women in a culture that largely treated them as livestock.
To me, that is a much bigger deal than stories about one particular wife which may or may not be true.
Tom