AT CHRISTMAS, who do we celebrate?..., to Claus ("the elf dressed in red), or to the Baby Jesus?...

[Porque77]

AT CHRISTMAS, who do we celebrate?..., to superman, to extraterrestrials, to Claus ("the elf dressed in red"), to Harry Potter, or to the Baby Jesus?

The Christians, somehow, always remembered the love of God and that wonder that made when he became man and was born in Bethlehem, of Mary, the Virgin.

The holiday of Christmas to remember that fact of the Gospel would happen to have a day to the year since the Christians in the Average Age began to construct nativity scenes to remember the day of Christmas. It is believed that were Saint Francisco and his friends who made the first nativity scenes. They wanted to remember each year the birth of Our Savior.

But in the last century (twentieth century), dreamy men, with very little respect for the Gospel, invented another "savior": an "alien god" from other planets called Superman.

Since then, the fantasy of the aliens has developed in such a way that even on Christmas days they don't stop putting movies and selling books of Superman and of aliens. In these stories, hardly there is any sign of Christianity in its fantastic scenes ...

AT CHRISTMAS, who do we expect ... to Claus ("the elf dressed in red"), or to the Baby Jesus?...

Also, in the first decades of the twentieth century, another fantastic story character would emerge: "a magical god", called "Claus" ("the elf dressed in red"), who flies across the sky with sleds and reindeer and brings toys for the children on Christmas Day.

This "god" from the fantastic world inhabited by gnomes, fairies and dwarfs of the forest, seems the only savior of the world at Christmas time. In the scenes of his books and films hardly any signs of Jesus Christ or of Christianity are seen. It is as if someone had invented this fantastic character to make that the children forget the Gospel of Jesus Christ and turn their attention to the tales of men.

It is true that in the first centuries of Christianity there was a missionary who dedicated himself to bringing food and toys to the poor children of the villages he passed through. His name was Nicolás de Bari. He had inherited a great fortune from his parents, and distributed it all among the poor.

Some want to see Claus reflected in that Christian character, but the truth is that St. Nicholas was a Christian, and his story does not speak of magic, gnomes, forest dwarfs or fairies, or any fantasy; It only tells us of his love for Jesus Christ.

The character "Claus" (the elf dressed in red), instead, presents and promotes fantasy..., and in the tales written about him, the story of Jesus Christ and the Christians does not appear..., and if it appears, it is very covertly. It is as if they want to make the world see that the teaching of love and peace does not come from the Gospel, but from the mysterious and magical world of the gnomes, the fairies and the dwarfs of the forest.

AT CHRISTMAS, who do we expect ..., to Harry Potter or the Baby Jesus?...

And what about Harry Potter, if almost everyone knows the tale?... This tale of magic and fantasy seems to also find a place on Christmas days to promote magic and fantasy and do that children forget the true meaning of Christmas.

All these tales, although they seem harmless fantasies, as some affirm, however to all these tales unites them to them a single purpose: to ignore completely Jesus Christ and all signal of the Christianity.

This world of fantasies fights against the idea that God became man, and was called Jesus Christ, and also against the idea that there was a Christian culture that existed at some time in our history.

If this were to continue in this way, according to the purpose of many men would disappear Christianity, the Gospel, and all sign of Christian culture, and the world would be completely invaded by the tales of the antichrist.; Of course, tales that never remember that there are poor people on earth and that God ordered to distribute all the goods among them.

This is one of the things preached by the Gospel: to distribute the goods among the poor... Will not be this the reason why many men full of greed want to destroy the memory of the Gospel?...

I think that this subject in these days is a very important topic for changing impressions among Christians and examining it.

 

[Porque77]

Are many the tales of magic and fantasy that are propagated on these dates of Christmas, and to top it all, many who call themselves Christians propagate the belief that the birth of the Child Jesus should not be celebrated at Christmas date, since they say that he was not born in this date. It is seen that they ignore the testimonies of the first centuries that exist and that they say that Jesus was born the 25 of December.

CHRISTMAS - December 25 - TELESFORO and SEXTO JULIO AFRICANO

It is not true what many say that Christians do not know when Christmas was celebrated, because there are testimonies of the first Christians who give us news of it, because there are documents of the first Christians (125 AD) that establish Christmas Day on the 25th of December ...

TELESEFORO

The old man Telesforo of the Christian Church of the second century, left established the Christmas celebrations celebrated by the first Christians. And this is preserved in his writings. And this Christian (TELESFORO) from the beginning of the second century (AD 125) reminds us that on December 25th, Christians celebrated the Christmas of Jesus Christ.

Telesforo was of the first Christians, and the only thing they preached was the Gospel. And this Christian lived long before the religion of the Roman emperors was founded in Rome: The Catholic religion was founded by the emperor Constantine and the bishops subordinated to him. And this happened in the fourth century. Old man Telesforo lived long before emperor Constantine imposed his religion of the empire.

This is the true story of christianity and Christmas..., christianity that was greatly persecuted by the empires of terror imposed on the world after the apostles and early Christians. Telesforo was sentenced to death by the emperors of Rome...

SEXTO JULIO AFRICANO

On the date of Christmas on December 25, not only do we have the testimony of Telesforo, since there is also the testimony of the historian Sexto Julio Africano (born 160), who in his book "Cronografías" (consisting of five books and which was finished in 221), said that the Annunciation of the Angel to Mary on the Conception of Jesus, was on March 25.

According to the date given by Sexto Julio of the Conception of Jesus (March 25), and counting nine months of pregnancy, gives us the result that December 25 corresponded to the Birth of Jesus.

So YES we have historical testimonies about the date of December 25 as the day of the Birth of Jesus.

 

[jeager106]

On the other hand:
Most biblical scholars and preachers readily admit that they know Christ was not born on December 25th. However, they claim that this day is as good as any other to celebrate the birth of Jesus, despite the fact that it was originally a pagan celebration called Saturnalia which commemorated the birth of the sun god.
Jesus Christ Birthday - Here a little, there a little - Holy Days

I could post pro'ly couple dozen web sites giving different dates for Jesus'
birth.
That's been done here ad nauseam so I won't bother.
So why celebrate Jesus' birth anyway.
The ancient Jews NEVER celebrated a b-day.
"Did ancient Jews celebrate birthdays?"
No. The only birthday celebration recorded in the Bible is that of Pharaoh in Genesis (40:20): And it came to pass the third day, which was Pharaoh's birthday, that he made a feast unto all his servants. According to tradition, it was an idolatrous event.
Even a couple of centuries ago, birthday celebrations were not a widespread Jewiah practice.

From: Did Jews celebrate birthdays in ancient times

In the face of that bit of info does it matter when Jesus was born?
Birthdays are "an idolatrous event" according to sources so we heap
an idolatrous event upon our Savior?
Don't make much sense to me folks.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Are many the tales of magic and fantasy that are propagated on these dates of Christmas, and to top it all, many who call themselves Christians propagate the belief that the birth of the Child Jesus should not be celebrated at Christmas date, since they say that he was not born in this date. It is seen that they ignore the testimonies of the first centuries that exist and that they say that Jesus was born the 25 of December.
CHRISTMAS - December 25 - TELESFORO and SEXTO JULIO AFRICANO
It is not true what many say that Christians do not know when Christmas was celebrated, because there are testimonies of the first Christians who give us news of it, because there are documents of the first Christians (125 AD) that establish Christmas Day on the 25th of December ...
TELESEFORO
The old man Telesforo of the Christian Church of the second century, left established the Christmas celebrations celebrated by the first Christians. And this is preserved in his writings. And this Christian (TELESFORO) from the beginning of the second century (AD 125) reminds us that on December 25th, Christians celebrated the Christmas of Jesus Christ.
Telesforo was of the first Christians, and the only thing they preached was the Gospel. And this Christian lived long before the religion of the Roman emperors was founded in Rome: The Catholic religion was founded by the emperor Constantine and the bishops subordinated to him. And this happened in the fourth century. Old man Telesforo lived long before emperor Constantine imposed his religion of the empire.
This is the true story of christianity and Christmas..., christianity that was greatly persecuted by the empires of terror imposed on the world after the apostles and early Christians. Telesforo was sentenced to death by the emperors of Rome...
SEXTO JULIO AFRICANO
On the date of Christmas on December 25, not only do we have the testimony of Telesforo, since there is also the testimony of the historian Sexto Julio Africano (born 160), who in his book "Cronografías" (consisting of five books and which was finished in 221), said that the Annunciation of the Angel to Mary on the Conception of Jesus, was on March 25.
According to the date given by Sexto Julio of the Conception of Jesus (March 25), and counting nine months of pregnancy, gives us the result that December 25 corresponded to the Birth of Jesus.
So YES we have historical testimonies about the date of December 25 as the day of the Birth of Jesus.

Interesting to me that you mention the ^ above ^ date of AD 125 ( 125 CE Common Era date ) because gospel writer Luke already forewarned the 1st-century Christians that an apostasy was about to set in once the apostles were off the scene - Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30 - the apostles were all gone by about the year 100.
That is also why Jesus gave the illustration of how genuine ' wheat ' Christians would grow together with the fake ' weed/tares ' Christians until the ' harvest time.' We are nearing that end harvest time, or the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth as mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33,37

Since Jesus died on the Jewish calendar date of the month of Nisan on the 14th day in the Spring at age 33 1/2, then scripturally Jesus would have turned 34 in the fall or autumn of the year, and Not Wintertime.
Biblically that could make conception at the Winter of the year and Not Spring.

Constantine founded Christendom, Not 1st-century Christianity.
In Scripture there are only two (2) birthday celebrations mentioned and both were pagans.
Since Jews did Not celebrate birthdays, then how did Jesus and his apostles celebrate Jesus' birthday but that they did Not celebrate. Mixing or fusing the Saturnalia with biblical names does Not change that the Saturnalia was re-named as Christmas (Christ's mass) but still retains its old pagan festival celebration.
The mixing or fusing biblical with non-biblical is wrong according to 1st Corinthians 10:20-21

 

[Neo Deist]

On the other hand:
Most biblical scholars and preachers readily admit that they know Christ was not born on December 25th. However, they claim that this day is as good as any other to celebrate the birth of Jesus, despite the fact that it was originally a pagan celebration called Saturnalia which commemorated the birth of the sun god.

Yep.

Back then, many customs and holidays fell on the same day (such as 12-25) because of the solstice. Why break a system of feasting and festivities that was already in place? Just rename it; so much easier.

 

[Cephus]

I don't celebrate anyone. I celebrate being together with family.

 

[pearl]

Rejoice in the Lord always; again I say, Rejoice. Let your gentleness be known to everyone. The Lord is near!" (Philippians 4:4-5)
Its about preparing the heart to welcome the Christ. There's a good article by Raymond Brown, 'the Adult Christ at Christmas'. For Catholics and others Advent is the time of preparation. I'm sure many Christians grew up marking off an advent calendar. its not about 'happy birthday, Jesus'.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I celebrate no one. If it wasn't for my family celebrating it, it would just be another day to me.

Its about preparing the heart to welcome the Christ.

He is not welcome.

 

[buddhist]

AT CHRISTMAS, who do we celebrate?..., to superman, to extraterrestrials, to Claus ("the elf dressed in red"), to Harry Potter, or to the Baby Jesus?

I celebrate the Winter Solstice during this time of season.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Christmas is a time to celebrate family, both spiritual and physical. That's what love's all about, isn't it?

 

[psychoslice]

For me personally, I like to celebrate my beer.

 

[pearl]

{We will all die for nothing}

We will all die, whether its for nothing is up to you.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Getting rid of Santa Claus and putting in nativities cannot make the day more Christian. That is false sanctimony. It will only be more Christian if it becomes a day for feeding strangers, poor people, people with poor hygiene, mental problems, prisoners etc. All of that talk about nativity and so is unhelpful and judgmental. Its a fake holiday, and everybody knows it but still need the day. People need days to touch base with family, and Christmas, Halloween, and Thanksgiving are when people do that. No it isn't a particularly spiritual day. If you want a really spiritual day then pick a different day.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Christmas is a time to celebrate family, both spiritual and physical. That's what love's all about, isn't it?

I love Jesus and the Bible and also love to watch a Santa Clause movie as they are fun!!!!

I'm a Bahá'í but we believe in Christ fully. I sent Christmas cards to my family (with money) as well as roasted a turkey and had turkey for a week with cranberry sauce and bought an expensive Bible Commentary for myself for Christmas. And read the Bible and about the Magi. Wonderful Christmas story.

Drinking and gambling definitely not. But as a Baha'i this has been an awesome Christmas. We believe in unity and what better time?

My sister dropped by and we had hash browns and a cup of coffee and she bought us two awesome sets of curtains.

You are right. Why deny ourselves happiness, festivity and family reunion as well as good food and presents? I love Christmas.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

But in the last century (twentieth century), dreamy men, with very little respect for the Gospel, invented another "savior": an "alien god" from other planets called Superman.

They were Jewish, you know, the creators. Superman may have "alien god" abilities now, but originally he was more of a metaphor for Jewish immigrants to America. I mean, I don't even really read DC comics and I know THAT much.

Since then, the fantasy of the aliens has developed in such a way that even on Christmas days they don't stop putting movies and selling books of Superman and of aliens. In these stories, hardly there is any sign of Christianity in its fantastic scenes ...

So ... are you jealous for Jesus? Do you feel Jesus should have his own superhero comic? I would think he'd be better at Marvel, though, like an ancient Middle Eastern X-Man or something.

AT CHRISTMAS, who do we expect ... to Claus ("the elf dressed in red"), or to the Baby Jesus?...

Let us know when you've bothered to study the history of the holiday.

Also, in the first decades of the twentieth century, another fantastic story character would emerge: "a magical god", called "Claus" ("the elf dressed in red"), who flies across the sky with sleds and reindeer and brings toys for the children on Christmas Day.

St. Nick was a Christian saint, might I add. Again, do you not bother to look these people up before complaining about them?

In the scenes of his books and films hardly any signs of Jesus Christ or of Christianity are seen.

Do you expect a user manual for cars to have mentions of Jesus in them?

It only tells us of his love for Jesus Christ.

And punching Arius in the face just because you don't like him. I can smell the love from here ...

And what about Harry Potter, if almost everyone knows the tale?... This tale of magic and fantasy seems to also find a place on Christmas days to promote magic and fantasy and do that children forget the true meaning of Christmas.

Saturnalia is the true meaning of Christmas.

All these tales, although they seem harmless fantasies, as some affirm, however to all these tales unites them to them a single purpose: to ignore completely Jesus Christ and all signal of the Christianity.

God, you probably listen to that God-awful Christian rock stations and stuff.

I'm frankly surprised you don't starve yourself if your food doesn't contain images of Jesus in them.

It is not true what many say that Christians do not know when Christmas was celebrated, because there are testimonies of the first Christians who give us news of it, because there are documents of the first Christians (125 AD) that establish Christmas Day on the 25th of December ...

The shepherds were out ... in the dead of winter?

Anyway, this is all silly. I'm almost to the point where I agree with colonial (Christian) America: ban the holiday altogether. It's become more trouble than it's worth.

I don't celebrate anyone. I celebrate being together with family.

Meh. I had to work all weekend.

Getting rid of Santa Claus and putting in nativities cannot make the day more Christian. That is false sanctimony.

And idolatry.

 

[Politesse]

I can scarcely think of a less fitting tribute to the newborn Christ than an angry rant about how his birth ought to be celebrated. Have you actually read the story of the nativity? He is Messiah for all nations, not just a few, and all cultures and customs should be respected if you wish to invoke his name without hypocrisy.

 

[Porque77]

AT CHRISTMAS, who do we celebrate?..., to superman, to extraterrestrials, to Claus ("the elf dressed in red"), to Harry Potter, or to the Baby Jesus?

The Christians, somehow, always remembered the love of God and that wonder that made when he became man and was born in Bethlehem, of Mary, the Virgin.

The holiday of Christmas to remember that fact of the Gospel would happen to have a day to the year since the Christians in the Average Age began to construct nativity scenes to remember the day of Christmas. It is believed that were Saint Francisco and his friends who made the first nativity scenes. They wanted to remember each year the birth of Our Savior.

But in the last century (twentieth century), dreamy men, with very little respect for the Gospel, invented another "savior": an "alien god" from other planets called Superman.

Since then, the fantasy of the aliens has developed in such a way that even on Christmas days they don't stop putting movies and selling books of Superman and of aliens. In these stories, hardly there is any sign of Christianity in its fantastic scenes ...

AT CHRISTMAS, who do we expect ... to Claus ("the elf dressed in red"), or to the Baby Jesus?...

Also, in the first decades of the twentieth century, another fantastic story character would emerge: "a magical god", called "Claus" ("the elf dressed in red"), who flies across the sky with sleds and reindeer and brings toys for the children on Christmas Day.

This "god" from the fantastic world inhabited by gnomes, fairies and dwarfs of the forest, seems the only savior of the world at Christmas time. In the scenes of his books and films hardly any signs of Jesus Christ or of Christianity are seen. It is as if someone had invented this fantastic character to make that the children forget the Gospel of Jesus Christ and turn their attention to the tales of men.

It is true that in the first centuries of Christianity there was a missionary who dedicated himself to bringing food and toys to the poor children of the villages he passed through. His name was Nicolás de Bari. He had inherited a great fortune from his parents, and distributed it all among the poor.

Some want to see Claus reflected in that Christian character, but the truth is that St. Nicholas was a Christian, and his story does not speak of magic, gnomes, forest dwarfs or fairies, or any fantasy; It only tells us of his love for Jesus Christ.

The character "Claus" (the elf dressed in red), instead, presents and promotes fantasy..., and in the tales written about him, the story of Jesus Christ and the Christians does not appear..., and if it appears, it is very covertly. It is as if they want to make the world see that the teaching of love and peace does not come from the Gospel, but from the mysterious and magical world of the gnomes, the fairies and the dwarfs of the forest.

AT CHRISTMAS, who do we expect ..., to Harry Potter or the Baby Jesus?...

And what about Harry Potter, if almost everyone knows the tale?... This tale of magic and fantasy seems to also find a place on Christmas days to promote magic and fantasy and do that children forget the true meaning of Christmas.

All these tales, although they seem harmless fantasies, as some affirm, however to all these tales unites them to them a single purpose: to ignore completely Jesus Christ and all signal of the Christianity.

This world of fantasies fights against the idea that God became man, and was called Jesus Christ, and also against the idea that there was a Christian culture that existed at some time in our history.

If this were to continue in this way, according to the purpose of many men would disappear Christianity, the Gospel, and all sign of Christian culture, and the world would be completely invaded by the tales of the antichrist.; Of course, tales that never remember that there are poor people on earth and that God ordered to distribute all the goods among them.

This is one of the things preached by the Gospel: to distribute the goods among the poor... Will not be this the reason why many men full of greed want to destroy the memory of the Gospel?...

I think that this subject in these days is a very important topic for changing impressions among Christians and examining it.

The Christians, somehow, always remembered the love of God and that wonder that made when he became man and was born in Bethlehem, of Mary, the Virgin.

 

[Porque77]

The Christians, somehow, always remembered the love of God and that wonder that made when he became man and was born in Bethlehem, of Mary, the Virgin.

Merry Chistmas.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I was just going to chill as it's my holiday off. Now I have to go in to work. Oh well.

 

[Muffled]

I believe I celebrate the birth of Jesus in many ways.

I believe Jesus was born on Dec 24th late at night. We celebrate on the 25th because it is more comfortable to celebrate during the day than keep a night vigil. The spanish speaking people celebrate gift giving on Jan 6 the date traditionally known as the Epiphany when the wise men arrived. Then there are the twelve days of Christmas between Dec 25th and Jan 6th.