What does that have to do with "eye witnesses "? What does it have to do with conspirators?
Tom
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Overwhelming Historical Proof: Why do you doubt Jesus?
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Tom
meghanwaterlillies
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Jerusalem was destroyed because of the witnesses because of the proofs and was dispersed.
No, it wasn't.
Tom
ETA ~ Jerusalem was destroyed because the Jews kept challenging Pax Romana. Nothing to do with Jesus. He had been all but forgotten by then.~
meghanwaterlillies
Well-Known Member
And the resistance fighters also joined the romans some of them were Jewish, the poor starving they had no regard for because that area truly lacked. Some of the Christians even turned towards that. On top of that you had zealots for reason of the area that weren't doing well. The date, August 30 in the year 70, around the 28-30th of august Nebuchadnezzar had destroyed the Temple in 586 B.C.
Actually I think Jesus was an antiRoman Jewish terrorist/freedom fighter. He was caught and executed by the Romans.
Paul came along and created a new religion based on what small portions of Jesus' Ministry that the Apostles could tell him about without risking crucifixion themselves.
Tom
meghanwaterlillies
Well-Known Member
Actually, no there was a number of insistence where he recognized some of the romans. And he wasn't.
He wasn't not even
Whatever.lol
But if a nero does come up he's got you hostage or a group raping and taking you or killing. I guess I'll try to come get yeah.
meghanwaterlillies
Well-Known Member
it is one of my favorites..
meghanwaterlillies
Well-Known Member
And when Jesus had entered into Capernaum, there came unto Him a centurion, beseeching Him
6 and saying, “Lord, my servant lieth at home sick with the palsy and grievously tormented.”
7 And Jesus said unto him, “I will come and heal him.”
8 The centurion answered and said, “Lord, I am not worthy that Thou shouldest come under my roof. But speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me. And I say to this man, ‘Go!’ and he goeth; and to another, ‘Come!’ and he cometh; and to my servant, ‘Do this!’ and he doeth it.”
10 When Jesus heard it, He marveled and said to those who followed, “Verily I say unto you, I have not found such great faith, no, not in Israel.
11 And I say unto you, that many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham and Isaac and Jacob in the Kingdom of Heaven.
12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
13 And Jesus said unto the centurion, “Go thy way, and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee.” And his servant was healed in that selfsame hour.
"Pilate's permission" The peace::::, which means that He gave the power over himself(Jesus) a once offer. Even though Pilate was finding him faultless, (probably thinking to himself that he's seen romans do worse than this and the herodians, why this man?) just giving into the idea of trying to keep "peace among the people" and customs and unite Jerusalem with Rome (hence the coins have an emblem of the wheat/wine and LIZ for Year 17 = 30 AD when minted is taken to be in circulation the year of crucifixion wreath and an augurs staff.))), he probably was as confused as freaking crap .. Which he didn't have too succumb to the customs to keep peace but he did, took Christ...
meghanwaterlillies
Well-Known Member
I'm saying that there were times when he noted some romans.
meghanwaterlillies
Well-Known Member
And he wasn't violent towards either side. He sincerely stood up for his people too. Which also means how we treat them is also brought into account.
ukok102nak
Active Member
:smoke: as they say
how much do you know something about your belief . ...
is anyone could defend their belief unto the very last
as what if anyone could defend their belief
unto the very last
as what if anyone could prove if christjesus broke his fingernail when he's been crucified
is there anyone could prove it just to prove
he existed . ...
what if there are people who could prove this question
as we are just askin
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
how much do you know something about your belief . ...
is anyone could defend their belief unto the very last
as what if anyone could defend their belief
unto the very last
as what if anyone could prove if christjesus broke his fingernail when he's been crucified
is there anyone could prove it just to prove
he existed . ...
what if there are people who could prove this question
as we are just askin
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
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psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yes that's it, why do we need to make things so complicated, its not the literal side of the story that is important, its the metaphor, that meaning, that which the words point to that is or has importance to whoever is reading the words.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
I have always felt sorry for those who need the story of Jesus to be true, or literal, these are the one's who miss out on the message, a message that has always been known by the Mystics of old. They argue over stupid history, a history that can never be truly proved or not proved. Why is this ?, I believe that its because most humans need a personal figure.
We as humans need a personal figure because we cannot see beyond our mere selves, we need a belief to keep the ego satisfied, for the ego doesn't want us to awaken from our slumber that it has brought upon us, through conditioning and programming. Yes this whole idea of God, Jesus, is all made up from the ego, to keep us asleep from ever knowing our true self.
We as humans need a personal figure because we cannot see beyond our mere selves, we need a belief to keep the ego satisfied, for the ego doesn't want us to awaken from our slumber that it has brought upon us, through conditioning and programming. Yes this whole idea of God, Jesus, is all made up from the ego, to keep us asleep from ever knowing our true self.
ukok102nak
Active Member
:smoke: as it is written carefully check
every detail on it
and kindly correct us if we are wrong
:read:
Psalms 22:16
For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
Psalms 34:18
The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saves such as be of a contrite spirit.
20 He keeps all his bones: not one of them is broken.
21 Evil shall slay the wicked: and they that hate the righteous shall be desolate.
22 The LORD redeems the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate.
John 19:32
Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.
33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:
34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knows that he says true, that all of you might believe.
36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
37 And again another scripture says, They shall look on him whom they pierced.
~;> hope
no one thinks here that we were pertaining unto
THE FINGERNAILS . ...
. . . WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING FIRST
THE FINGER BONES AND NAIL
Did you know that your skin, hair, and nails are all made out of the same ... Skeletal System and Muscular System ... They are partof the integumentary system, which includes your skin and all its ... Thenail root is not visible from the surface.:rofl: While they can be used for many things, like scratching, opening things, or even winning the Guinness World Record for the longest nails ever (2 feet 11 inches, by the way), they actually have a specific purpose. They help protect the top surface of your fingertips and the tips of your toes. Your fingers and toes, being the extremities of your body, are subjected to the daily mechanical stress associated with walking, writing, typing, and all the other things that you use them for.
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Finger Bones and Nail - Lateral or Side View
Most people have ten fingers, five on each hand. Fingers are often called "digits," or even "phalanges." The first finger is the thumb, followed by index finger, middle finger, ring finger, and little finger or pinky.
We use our fingers to manipulate objects. Each finger has muscles and joints that allow it to be bent, straightened and wiggled in many different ways. We can move each finger independently from the other fingers. This provides us with considerable flexibility in grasping and manipulating objects. Some people, through sign language, can even talk by manipulating their fingers.
The muscles used to move your fingers are in the palm and forearm. When you move your fingers, you can actually see these long tendons working under the skin at the wrist and on the back of the hand. Try this experiment. Hold your hand with the palm up. Open and close your hand by bending and straightening your fingers. You should see the long tendon move in your wrist. Then turn your hand over, palm down. Once again, open and close your hand by flexing and extending your fingers. You should be able to see several tendons stretching along the top of your hand.
We also use our fingers to touch and feel objects. Fingers are an important part of our senses. The fingertips have many touch receptors and thermo receptors making them extremely sensitive to temperature, pressure, vibration, texture and moisture.
Since we use our fingers every day, for so many different things, it is not uncommon to break or injure a finger.
:happy: so what anyone think about this
regarding unto the question
that is
:hrmm: is anyone could defend their belief unto the very last
as what if anyone could prove if christjesus broke his fingernail when he's been crucified
is there anyone could prove it just to prove
he existed . ...
everybody has their right to choose
unless someone right there choose
to defend it
or
rather never stand up nor uphold unto what
according to their belief and faith
and
still we dont deny anyone or anything
as long they never deny our belief and faith
also in vice versa
meaning if we deny the existence of whatsover belief and faith of anyone then
the same thing will happen to us
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
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psychoslice
Veteran Member
Overwhelming proof, I really just cannot see that, EVER !!.
roger1440
I do stuff
ukok102nak
Active Member
@
roger1440
:rofl: indeed
the pen is mightier than the sword
meaning if anyone cannot hear nor see
what the pen is writting upon on each detail
as what is written
then
anyone can blotter them at with their own will as putting
a sheet or pad of blotting paper inserted into a frame and kept on a desk.
that's is
somekind of overwhelmin proof to reconsider
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
roger1440
:rofl: indeed
the pen is mightier than the sword
meaning if anyone cannot hear nor see
what the pen is writting upon on each detail
as what is written
then
anyone can blotter them at with their own will as putting
a sheet or pad of blotting paper inserted into a frame and kept on a desk.
that's is
somekind of overwhelmin proof to reconsider
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
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ukok102nak
Active Member
as what my student said beforeand what i really meant to say is
this brethren of our's
you would only put yourselfunto somekind of
a difficult, unpleasant, or embarrassing situation.
when you declared a challenge unto something
that you most to seek
and
since you've shown your capabilities from the moment you've posted
this arguments of yours
where you cant even give a exact details
from this very question
meaning
then the whole thing is settled starting from that point
until at this very moment of time
and also
your not punctual from recognizing it at all
that's why
and you call this student and
this brethren of our's a friend
remember (hope this thing
called memory
could say that is more overwhelmin to
remind than to deny)
and
that's one of my belief as former agnostic
(though a have a faith before that being an agnostic is a holy thing)
but i never left out my knowledged unto
what this reality is lookin for
and not what im lookin for
take note: im
just one of all from out of this world
where gods never exist
from what've i learned before
until i experienced it . ...
... . nothing more nothing less
but still i had a doubt about those gods
who were a fake gods
and that's my belief and my faith
whether with a knowlegde of an agnostic nor becoming a humble servant of
what is good is who cannot lie
with his only begotten son
along unto all
that is holy
by the way
about this
(though a have a faith before that being an agnostic is a holy thing)
this is the one of the main reason why
i win every debate
becaused i see no gods who is considered to be a holy thing coz gods are not somekind of thing that anyone can put unto its pocket and
then pray that your wallet could have an instant money
therefore
there is no gods
to be considered as a holy thing
then
agnoticism is a holy thing
(its easy to have doubts and beyond reasonable doubts)
who could thought of that
as if there is someone
who used to be known as :smoke: as it is
could overwhelmin
proved that my ( im :rofl: who say this things but im not the one who known as :smoke: )
AND AGAIN
AS WHAT I'VE SAID BEFORE
who could thought of that
as if there is someone
who used to be known as :smoke: as it is
could overwhelmin
proved that my reasons are not all
knowing
:ty:
godbless
unto always
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psychoslice
Veteran Member
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