Christians: Is Jesus a 'Deity'', to you?

[Desert Snake]

This question is directed at Christians, however any Jesus adherents can answer, if it pertains to their beliefs.
/Is Jesus a 'Deity'?
/Is Jesus a 'different' Deity, from God, or the father?
/Is Jesus 'half man, half deity?
/Is Jesus a 'deified human', yet not a Deity?
/If Jesus is separate from the 'father', how is He 'G-d?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

This question is directed at Christians, however any Jesus adherents can answer, if it pertains to their beliefs.
/Is Jesus a 'Deity'?
/Is Jesus a 'different' Deity, from God, or the father?
/Is Jesus 'half man, half deity?
/Is Jesus a 'deified human', yet not a Deity?
/If Jesus is separate from the 'father', how is He 'G-d?

The Bible teaches at Revelation 1:5; Revelation 3:14 B that Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God.
God is Un-created, meaning God had No beginning - Psalms 90:2
So, only God was before the beginning. The pre-human Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.
Thus, the pre-human heavenly Jesus is the Son of God and Not God. God is the One who sent the pre-human Jesus to Earth as a ransom for us - Matthew 20:28
Being from God, then Jesus is divine, but Not God. It was God who resurrected the dead Jesus - Acts of the Apostles 3:15; 5:30; Colossians 2:12

 

[Unveiled Artist]

The Bible teaches at Revelation 1:5; Revelation 3:14 B that Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God.
God is Un-created, meaning God had No beginning - Psalms 90:2
So, only God was before the beginning. The pre-human Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.
Thus, the pre-human heavenly Jesus is the Son of God and Not God. God is the One who sent the pre-human Jesus to Earth as a ransom for us - Matthew 20:28
Being from God, then Jesus is divine, but Not God. It was God who resurrected the dead Jesus - Acts of the Apostles 3:15; 5:30; Colossians 2:12

Is that two and four?

 

[arthra]

This question is directed at Christians, however any Jesus adherents can answer, if it pertains to their beliefs.

In the Baha'i belief Jesus was a Manifestation of God... Being a Manifestation He reflected perfectly the attributes of God to humanity. He had innate knowledge.
The soul of Christ existed in the spiritual world before His birth in this world. We cannot imagine what that world is like, so words are inadequate to picture His state of being...'.

A Divine Manifestation is as a mirror reflecting the light of the Sun. The light is the same and yet the mirror is not the Sun. All the Manifestations of God bring the same Light; they only differ in degree, not in reality.

~ Abdu'l-Baha, Abdu'l-Baha in London, p. 66

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

This question is directed at Christians, however any Jesus adherents can answer, if it pertains to their beliefs.
/Is Jesus a 'Deity'?
/Is Jesus a 'different' Deity, from God, or the father?
/Is Jesus 'half man, half deity?
/Is Jesus a 'deified human', yet not a Deity?
/If Jesus is separate from the 'father', how is He 'G-d?

1. No.
2. Depends on how you look at it.
3. No.
4. Yes. Deification of human beings and other living things has been a thing since the dawn of human history. First you respect it, then you honor it, and then you worship it.
5. He's not. Problem solved.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

It was God who resurrected the dead Jesus

Then Jesus is God!

John 2:18-22 (ESV Strong's) 18 So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?” 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Then Jesus is God!
John 2:18-22 (ESV Strong's) 18 So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?” 19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” 20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” 21 But he was speaking about the temple of his body. 22 When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.

According to Scripture, Jesus did Not resurrect himself - Acts of the Apostles 3:15; Acts of the Apostles 5:30; Colossians 2:12 - God resurrected the dead Jesus.
God can Not die according to Psalms 90:2
God is from everlasting, so only God was before the beginning. Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning - Revelation 3:14
Doesn't the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still have a God over him according to Revelation 3:12 ?______
How many thrones are mentioned at Revelation 3:21 ? ______
Where is the heavenly Jesus seated according to Hebrews 12:2 ? ______________________________

 

[Desert Snake]

According to Scripture, Jesus did Not resurrect himself - Acts of the Apostles 3:15; Acts of the Apostles 5:30; Colossians 2:12 - God resurrected the dead Jesus.
God can Not die according to Psalms 90:2
God is from everlasting, so only God was before the beginning. Jesus was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning - Revelation 3:14
Doesn't the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus still have a God over him according to Revelation 3:12 ?______
How many thrones are mentioned at Revelation 3:21 ? ______
Where is the heavenly Jesus seated according to Hebrews 12:2 ? ______________________________

If your, main Deity, cannot, or will not, have a form, then why does it have a Throne?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If your, main Deity, cannot, or will not, have a form, then why does it have a Throne?

Who said Jesus or God does Not have a form ?
Didn't the resurrected Jesus appear before the person of God at Hebrews 9:24 ?_______
We have a physical form, whereas heavenly creation has a spirit form as mentioned at 1 Corinthians 15:44-46

When Scripture says we are made in the image of God that is Not talking about His spirit person, but that we can reflect God's main attributes of love, mercy, wisdom and justice.

 

[Desert Snake]

Who said Jesus or God does Not have a form ?
Didn't the resurrected Jesus appear before the person of God at Hebrews 9:24 ?_______
We have a physical form, whereas heavenly creation has a spirit form as mentioned at 1 Corinthians 15:44-46

Ah ok, agree on that.

When Scripture says we are made in the image of God that is Not talking about His spirit person, but that we can reflect God's main attributes of love, mercy, wisdom and justice.

Don't know about that. I do have a thread that addresses the issue of 'made in the image of', however I also relate to Jesus as the creator, so you may not agree with all of that/
When Jesus is 'in the image' of god, to me, it means, that that is a form of God; most likely His main form, given other references. I'm talking 'Jesus', Spirit Jesus, here, not what some think is a earthly person/non-Deity.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Ah ok, agree on that.
Don't know about that. I do have a thread that addresses the issue of 'made in the image of', however I also relate to Jesus as the creator, so you may not agree with all of that/
When Jesus is 'in the image' of god, to me, it means, that that is a form of God; most likely His main form, given other references. I'm talking 'Jesus', Spirit Jesus, here, not what some think is a earthly person/non-Deity.

If Jesus was Creator, and Not the beginning of the creation by God - Revelation 1:5; Revelation 3:14, then wouldn't Jesus teach to worship him ? _______
Who did Jesus teach we should worship at John 4:23-24 ? _______
Who did Jesus teach is greater than all at John 10:29 ? ______
Who did Jesus say he was at John 10:36 but the Son of God.
Who did Jesus teach is greater than Jesus at John 14:28 _______

In the King James Bible at Psalms 110 there are two (2) LORD/Lord's mentioned:
One LORD is in all upper-case letters.
The other Lord is in some lower-case letters.
Where LORD is in all capital letters is where the Tetragrammaton stands YHWH for God's name.
Whereas Lord, not in all caps, stands for Lord Jesus.

 

[Desert Snake]

In the King James Bible at Psalms 110 there are two (2) LORD/Lord's mentioned:
One LORD is in all upper-case letters.
The other Lord is in some lower-case letters.
Where LORD is in all capital letters is where the Tetragrammaton stands YHWH for God's name.
Whereas Lord, not in all caps, stands for Lord Jesus.

Great, then the Creator, is Jesus. Jesus also led the Israelites out of Egypt, and began the first Covenant.

Hebrews 1:7-10

 

[Desert Snake]

If Jesus was Creator, and Not the beginning of the creation by God - Revelation 1:5; Revelation 3:14, then wouldn't Jesus teach to worship him ? _______
Who did Jesus teach we should worship at John 4:23-24 ? _______
Who did Jesus teach is greater than all at John 10:29 ? ______
Who did Jesus say he was at John 10:36 but the Son of God.
Who did Jesus teach is greater than Jesus at John 14:28 _______

These 'separations', in Godhood, are not literal. That is why the Great Isho, /Jesus,, tells you directly, that He is one with the father. It doesn't get 'plainer', than that.
Isho/Jesus,, YHWH, & Elohim, //Genesis, so forth, is the same God.
Note that it is stated, 'God is one'. This is literal, this is how you interpret the scriptures that use different titles, for different aspects of Godhood. This is also why, in the O.T., the words 'Lord God,', are used, JHVH Elohim. There aren't any separate deities here. /that's also why it is a monotheistic religious paradigm.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Great, then the Creator, is Jesus. Jesus also led the Israelites out of Egypt, and began the first Covenant.
Hebrews 1:7-10

Yes, the pre-human Jesus was alive when the Israelites were in Egypt, how does that make Jesus 'who is the beginning of the creation by God' be God - Revelation 3:14 B

 

[Desert Snake]

Yes, the pre-human Jesus was alive when the Israelites were in Egypt, how does that make Jesus 'who is the beginning of the creation by God' be God - Revelation 3:14 B

You simply cross reference the Deity, who is leading the Israelites out of Egypt, and began the first Covenant,/elsewhere in Scripture,, and that is the 'same' God, that is being referred to, in the Book of Hebrews. If you do not think it is the same deity, then you are directly inferring that the Scripture is wrong, or contradicting itself.

 

[Desert Snake]

1. No.
2. Depends on how you look at it.
3. No.
4. Yes. Deification of human beings and other living things has been a thing since the dawn of human history. First you respect it, then you honor it, and then you worship it.
5. He's not. Problem solved.

I don't have a theological 'problem', that needs solving. The fact that you seem to think there is an inherent problem, might a sign that something isn't right in your equation.

 

[Ingledsva]

If Jesus was Creator, and Not the beginning of the creation by God - Revelation 1:5; Revelation 3:14, then wouldn't Jesus teach to worship him ? _______
Who did Jesus teach we should worship at John 4:23-24 ? _______
Who did Jesus teach is greater than all at John 10:29 ? ______
Who did Jesus say he was at John 10:36 but the Son of God.
Who did Jesus teach is greater than Jesus at John 14:28 _______

In the King James Bible at Psalms 110 there are two (2) LORD/Lord's mentioned:
One LORD is in all upper-case letters.
The other Lord is in some lower-case letters.
Where LORD is in all capital letters is where the Tetragrammaton stands YHWH for God's name.
Whereas Lord, not in all caps, stands for Lord Jesus.

Thanks for all the great Jesus isn't YHVH info, and the verses proving it. I've saved them in a question - answer format, for future reference.

One thing though - the lower case lord in Psalms 110 is King David. As you know, in the Hebrew there is only one lord in the text.

It is a Psalm of King David, and the Psalmist is speaking.

It actually says, - said YHVH to my lord (King David) sit ...

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[Ingledsva]

These 'separations', in Godhood, are not literal. That is why the Great Isho, /Jesus,, tells you directly, that He is one with the father. It doesn't get 'plainer', than that.

I can be one with God, - and it doesn't mean I am God, - but instead, just that I am in complete agreement with God.

Isho/Jesus,, YHWH, & Elohim, //Genesis, so forth, is the same God.
Note that it is stated, 'God is one'. This is literal, this is how you interpret the scriptures that use different titles, for different aspects of Godhood. This is also why, in the O.T., the words 'Lord God,', are used, JHVH Elohim. There aren't any separate deities here. /that's also why it is a monotheistic religious paradigm.

YHVH Elohiym - does not actually translate as Lord God.

YHVH stands for the name. Elohiym is gods, mighty, etc.

So it is a designator. YHVH God, rather then another God.

Personally, I translate it a kind of gentry titled speak, - Of the Gods, YHVH, - or - YHVH of the Elohiym, - YHVH Supreme God, - YHVH The Mighty, etc.

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[URAVIP2ME]

I can be one with God, - and it doesn't mean I am God, - but instead, just that I am in complete agreement with God.
YHVH Elohiym - does not actually translate as Lord God.
YHVH stands for the name. Elohiym is gods, mighty, etc.
So it is a designator. YHVH God, rather then another God.
Personally, I translate it a kind of gentry titled speak, - Of the Gods, YHVH, - or - YHVH of the Elohiym, - YHVH Supreme God, - YHVH The Mighty, etc.
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All of the ^ above ^ titles are titles, and no titles are the Tetragramaton YHWH/YHVH name.

King David did pen Psalms 110, but David was not the priest in the order of Melchizedek - Psalms 110:4-7
David was foretelling that there would be a future heir, one who will be both king/priest as Melchizedek was. - Hebrews 7:21; Hebrews 7: 25-26
When David is resurrected he may be a ' prince ' on Earth - Ezekiel 334:23-24; Psalms 45:16; Isaiah 32:1

 

[Desert Snake]

YHVH Elohiym - does not actually translate as Lord God.

YHVH stands for the name. Elohiym is gods, mighty, etc.

So it is a designator. YHVH God, rather then another God.

Personally, I translate it a kind of gentry titled speak, - Of the Gods, YHVH, - or - YHVH of the Elohiym, - YHVH Supreme God, - YHVH The Mighty, etc.

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Ok, however, Elohim, is used alone, as a designator of 'God'. So, not sure how you have the conclusion that it doesn't actually mean 'Lord God'.
The Hebrew is inferring the 'same thing' as the translation.
Personally, I would prefer an /English Scripture, that just leaves the titles, in a transliterated form, as opposed to a 'translation'. Example, JHVH.

// some Bibles do employ that method