Does God Predetermine When We Will Die?

[rusra02]

I don't think that he does. While we are under sentence of death, I believe many die prematurely due to their own or others actions. For example, a horrific, fatal car crash caused by a drunk or distracted driver is the fault of the driver, not God. I believe the Bible teaches we can extend or shorten our lives by our own actions and decisions. Moses told the Israelites: "I take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the curse; and you must choose life so that you may live, you and your descendants, by loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice, and by sticking to him, for he is your life and by him you will endure a long time in the land that Jehovah swore to give to your forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." (Deuteronomy 30:19,20
What do you think?

 

[Quintessence]

Rusra, could you please specify which faith groups you wish to limit this debate to? It's not clear from your OP.

 

[Demonslayer]

For example, a horrific, fatal car crash caused by a drunk or distracted driver is the fault of the driver, not God.

Do you believe, though, that God sometimes saves people from such accidents? For example I've heard religious folks talk about something like a bus crash where 50 people were on the bus, and 3 people survived...one of them being the loved one of the person telling the story. They refer to this as a miracle.

So do you believe that? That God sometimes saves a person from an accident that would have otherwise been the fault of the driver?

 

[wizanda]

What do you think?

God already knows before the foundations of the earth, when, and how we will die...God created time, thus already knows until the end.

 

[George-ananda]

God already knows before the foundations of the earth, when, and how we will die...God created time, thus already knows until the end.

And to go you one further, I think we are that One God consciousness you talk about but currently in a temporary illusion of separateness.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

God already knows before the foundations of the earth, when, and how we will die...God created time, thus already knows until the end.

Since Jesus will reign for 1,000-years over Earth that does Not mean an end to time.
At the end of Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth, then Jesus hands back to his God ' God's kingdom ' - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26

If God chose to know when and how we will die then God would Not have the words of Ecclesiastes 7:17 recorded for us.
Didn't Jesus make plain the people of Luke 13:4-5 where just at the wrong place at the wrong time?
It's just time and unforeseen events which happen to everyone - Ecclesiastes 9:11 B

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Do you believe, though, that God sometimes saves people from such accidents? For example I've heard religious folks talk about something like a bus crash where 50 people were on the bus, and 3 people survived...one of them being the loved one of the person telling the story. They refer to this as a miracle.
So do you believe that? That God sometimes saves a person from an accident that would have otherwise been the fault of the driver?

God does Not interfere with our choices. Accidents are called accidents because they happen accidently and Not on purpose.
It is just timing and unforeseen events befalling everyone - Ecclesiastes 7:17; Ecclesiastes 9:11; Luke 13:4-5

 

[muhammad_isa]

God already knows before the foundations of the earth, when, and how we will die...God created time, thus already knows until the end.

I totally agree with that..
Almighty God knowing when we will die does not mean that it's "predetermined"
ie. that Almighty God makes all the decisions that cause us to die

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I totally agree with that..
Almighty God knowing when we will die does not mean that it's "predetermined"
ie. that Almighty God makes all the decisions that cause us to die

In Scripture the living-on-Earth humble ' sheep'-like people of Matthew 25:31-33 do Not die.
They can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth, right into the start of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth begins.
Under Christ's millennium-long day of governing over Earth, then our last enemy ' death ' will be No more - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8

 

[muhammad_isa]

In Scripture the living-on-Earth humble ' sheep'-like people of Matthew 25:31-33 do Not die.

Are you one of them?

 

[Ingledsva]

I don't think that he does. While we are under sentence of death, I believe many die prematurely due to their own or others actions. For example, a horrific, fatal car crash caused by a drunk or distracted driver is the fault of the driver, not God. I believe the Bible teaches we can extend or shorten our lives by our own actions and decisions. Moses told the Israelites: "I take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the curse; and you must choose life so that you may live, you and your descendants, by loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice, and by sticking to him, for he is your life and by him you will endure a long time in the land that Jehovah swore to give to your forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." (Deuteronomy 30:19,20
What do you think?

I'm going to agree with you on this one.

I don't read the Bible as saying YHVH predetermines death.

Knowing when a person will die, - is not the same as causing that death.

Deuteronomy is a Jewish text, thus, - "I have put life and death before you" - means choice, and it continues - "you must choose life..."

They believed ALL people both GOOD and BAD went to Sheol. However the bad are judged to continue in death. So choose right - chose life.

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[URAVIP2ME]

Are you one of them?

Please take notice that there is the ingathering of three (3) groups mentioned at Matthew 25:31-33; Matthew 25:40
Jesus judges, or bases his judgement, on the reaction of how people treat his ' spiritual ' brothers on Earth - Matthew 25:40
So, besides classed as being a sheep or a goat there are also Jesus' spiritual ' brothers.
The one who endures to the end ( end of one's life, or til the coming of Christ ) - Matthew 24:13 is the one who is saved.
Those who are alive on Earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' and Jesus judges as being a humble sheep are ' one of them '.
I am pleased to want to remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth, when Jesus starts his 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.
So, that would put me in the earthly ' sheep ' category. ( Jesus' spiritual ' brothers ' are in the heavenly category - 1 Corinthians 15:50; 1 Corinthians 15:23 )

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I'm going to agree with you on this one.
I don't read the Bible as saying YHVH predetermines death.
Knowing when a person will die, - is not the same as causing that death.
Deuteronomy is a Jewish text, thus, - "I have put life and death before you" - means choice, and it continues - "you must choose life..."
They believed ALL people both GOOD and BAD went to Sheol. However the bad are judged to continue in death. So choose right - chose life.
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If I may take the liberty to add just a fine point in connection to ' good and bad ' there are the ' wicked '.
There is going to be a resurrection of the just and unjust, the righteous and unrighteous - Acts of the Apostles 24:15, whereas the wicked will be destroyed forever
- Psalms 92:7; Jeremiah 51:57,39

 

[rusra02]

Do you believe, though, that God sometimes saves people from such accidents? For example I've heard religious folks talk about something like a bus crash where 50 people were on the bus, and 3 people survived...one of them being the loved one of the person telling the story. They refer to this as a miracle.

So do you believe that? That God sometimes saves a person from an accident that would have otherwise been the fault of the driver?

No. Rather, chance or "time and unexpected events" may cause one person to survive and another to perish.

 

[Jainarayan]

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[Ingledsva]

In Scripture the living-on-Earth humble ' sheep'-like people of Matthew 25:31-33 do Not die.
They can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth, right into the start of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth begins.
Under Christ's millennium-long day of governing over Earth, then our last enemy ' death ' will be No more - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8

This shows the later Christian confusion about Jesus' Tanakh teachings.

Jesus was a Jew - he taught from Tanakh. The Messiah judges both good and bad whom have already died, or now die, and await his Final Judgment in Sheol.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I don't think that he does. While we are under sentence of death, I believe many die prematurely due to their own or others actions. For example, a horrific, fatal car crash caused by a drunk or distracted driver is the fault of the driver, not God. I believe the Bible teaches we can extend or shorten our lives by our own actions and decisions. Moses told the Israelites: "I take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the curse; and you must choose life so that you may live, you and your descendants, by loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice, and by sticking to him, for he is your life and by him you will endure a long time in the land that Jehovah swore to give to your forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." (Deuteronomy 30:19,20
What do you think?

Does god determine when we die before we do?

No. I just think he just knows. Then, if a christian feels god determined when they were born why not death? What makes death a "different animal"?

How I define god (life), yes our death is predetermined. We just dont know when and without us, there is no word or definition of death just an endless circle of birth, age, and death.

 

[DawudTalut]

I don't think that he does. While we are under sentence of death, I believe many die prematurely due to their own or others actions. For example, a horrific, fatal car crash caused by a drunk or distracted driver is the fault of the driver, not God. I believe the Bible teaches we can extend or shorten our lives by our own actions and decisions. Moses told the Israelites: "I take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you today that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the curse; and you must choose life so that you may live, you and your descendants, by loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice, and by sticking to him, for he is your life and by him you will endure a long time in the land that Jehovah swore to give to your forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." (Deuteronomy 30:19,20
What do you think?

Peace be on you.
A bridge or a car has full life expectancy calculated by engineers.
But these things may get damage before full life.

So as our Maker knows what is our full life time, but meanwhile many things may happen; mistakes, disease etc.
[Quran 6:3]He it is Who created you from clay, and then He decreed a term. And there is another term fixed with Him. Yet you doubt!


But if there is Divine promise, or Will of God that He will keep that person, no matter what are circumstances, the person attains full life.
[5:68] O Messenger! convey to the people what has been revealed to thee from thy Lord; and if thou do it not, thou hast not conveyed His Message at all. And Allah will protect thee from men. Surely, Allah guides not the disbelieving people.


In some cases, due to acceptance of Prayer or any grace of God, life span in increased and person reaches its full age.

Living a pious life, helps attain full life span.

 

[Aupmanyav]

"Does God Predetermine When We Will Die?"

First questions first. Is there one?
The genes predetermine death to a certain degree, followed by how the person lived (ate to live or lived to ate, etc.), and then, circumstances.

 

[muhammad_isa]

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So, that would put me in the earthly ' sheep ' category.

You said "They can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth, right into the start of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth begins"

So does that mean that you will not physically die like everybody else does?