John 6:53 (King James Version)

[Sister Cyber]

John 6:53 (King James Version) reads, "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you."

The disciples ate Jesus.

 

[wizanda]

The gospel of John is made up.

 

[kepha31]

The gospel of John is made up.

John 6:53 (King James Version) reads, "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you."

The disciples ate Jesus.

Yes, the disciples did what they were told. The Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist was not seriously questioned by anyone for 1500 years. That many people, including ALL the Early Church Fathers, can't be wrong for that length of time.

The gospel of John is made up.

No, it isn't. The myth theory doesn't hold water. Your contradictions don't hold up either, but that is getting off topic.
Countering Bible Contradictions

 

[Sister Cyber]

The gospel of John is made up.

I understand you have difficulty accepting the Gospel according to John as authentic, however, I believe that in comparison to Mark, Matthew and Luke, John's Gospel gives more details when it comes to stories repeated by the other three and otherwise. John was related to Jesus as a first cousin, so it goes without saying that he knew Jesus longer than the disciples, thus having a closer relationship with him, aside from the relationships Jesus had with his mother, also a disciple, and with Mary Magdalene.

Yes, the disciples did what they were told. The Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist was not seriously questioned by anyone for 1500 years. That many people, including ALL the Early Church Fathers, can't be wrong for that length of time.

It's quite refreshing to read your comment; thank you for sharing it. I believe christians wouldn't be so confused and bound in continuous wrong-doings if they would only understand and accept truth, because the truth DOES make a person free indeed. Mainstream teaching has misguided catholics and christians for centuries, so-much-so that truth is denied when it's printed clear as day in the very book they purport to study.

 

[Palehorse]

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you."

Jesus was/is the sun of GOD.

 

[Papoon]

John 6:53 (King James Version) reads, "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you."

The disciples ate Jesus.

Son of man ...s o ma....hmmmm.....

Could John Allegro's translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls cast some light on this ?

 

[Palehorse]

Could John Allegro's translation of the Dead Sea Scrolls cast some light on this ?

Don,t know anything about those scrolls. But thanx for your thought. Now I have something to do today besides sitting on the computer.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

John 6:53 (King James Version) reads, "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you."

The disciples ate Jesus.

What a curiously tasteless fetish. How is this anything other than a worthless rerun of your recent "Did the Disciples Eat Jesus" thread?

 

[wizanda]

That many people, including ALL the Early Church Fathers, can't be wrong for that length of time.

According to the prophets the deception shall remain for a long time, from the Abomination of Desolation until the end....

Yeshua told us the Abomination of Desolation happened as the second temple was destroyed, and the deception would happen after his death...

By those using the term Ego I-mee (I Am) claiming to be Yeshua (as we find in John), when clearly he doesn't speak that way in the Synoptic Gospels.

John was related to Jesus as a first cousin

The author of John isn't a disciple, it is most likely recorded by the Pharisees, as it contains all their conversations word for word; yet has no parables, doesn't sound like Yeshua, and contradicts him on numerous points.

John 6:53 (King James Version) reads, "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you."

Then back to your topic, and why this is a purposefully made up lie, as anyone drinking blood or eating flesh of man, shall be kicked out by God.

 

[Sister Cyber]

Jesus was/is the sun of GOD

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you."

On a re-read of that verse, two important things he said there jumped out at me. The first to catch my eye was "son of man" and the next was "Verily, verily."

1. "Son of man" is who he referred to himself as ~ not son of god, ever. HE knew who he was.

2. When the man called Jesus said anywhere, "Verily" it meant "Truly." It meant that he was about to say something important. When, however, you see "Verily, verily," whatever came behind that was to be paid undivided attention to. A modern-day translation of "Verily, verily" might be something like, "Listen up for your own good, I kid you not, or you may face consequences..." Whatever followed "Verily, verily" was sure to be seriously profound and taken literally.

The author of John isn't a disciple, it is most likely recorded by the Pharisees, as it contains all their conversations word for word; yet has no parables, doesn't sound like Yeshua, and contradicts him on numerous points.

With all due respect, it matters not who wrote the Gospel of John. For all we know, Mary Magdalene might have written it. For all we know Wizanda might be right; the Gospel of John might just be made up. For all we know, every single story in the bible might have just been made up. Nobody from the Council of Nicea was around when the man called jesus walked the earth. There's not even any proof that Moses existed. The canonical bible was put together for christians, to "get everyone on the same page" and mainstream teaching has people CONFUSED, misinterpreting scriptures that clearly require no interpretation, attempting to soothe sensibilities by mixing and matching a patchwork of unrelated scriptures to "prove" a point that is invalid but people are too gullible to do anything but agree with what mainstream teaching dishes out to them as truth.

Then back to your topic, and why this is a purposefully made up lie

So you're saying that the bible is not true, that it's a lie?

Do you even know or understand WHY the disciples ate Jesus, aside from the fact that they were being obedient to the command of their Messiah?

 

[allright]

As to the Gospel the first three present Jesus as the Messiah living under the old covenant and presenting himself to the Jewish people.

The people chose to reject him If the Jews had accepted him he would have not died and reigned under the old covenant

The gospel of John presents Jesus as the author of the new covenant. By his death and resurrection Jesus made obsolete the old covenant and left the Jews who rejected him

rejected him trapped in a covenant which God no longer accepts for salvation.

As for eating Jesus he says in the same chapter hes words refer to the spiritual not physical.

 

[wizanda]

So you're saying that the bible is not true, that it's a lie?

Nope, the Bible prophesied this deception; people are just ignorant to research it, and realize it is all self contained within the Bible we have today....

Plus that the majority of these prophecies are so succinct across time, it proves that it has been inspired by something outside of time.

Do you even know or understand WHY the disciples ate Jesus, aside from the fact that they were being obedient to the command of their Messiah?

We shared bread as it is an Essene tradition, that everything is made among the family, and that by breaking of bread we show community/Oneness.

It isn't some sacrificial offering they're eating, otherwise it would all be defiling the law.... So why do you think we did it?

 

[moorea944]

John 6:53 (King James Version) reads, "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you."

The disciples ate Jesus.

It is referring to the bread and wine. They "symbolize' the death and resurrection of our Lord. They symbolize his body and blood.

 

[FearGod]

John 6:53 (King James Version) reads, "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you."

The disciples ate Jesus.

I think Jesus wanted to say that he came as the food for our souls, those who will eat it will survive.
He said the life is the soul and he said as well I'm the bread of life, i think it's clear enough.

 

[moorea944]

I think Jesus wanted to say that he came as the food for our souls, those who will eat it will survive.
He said the life is the soul and he said as well I'm the bread of life, i think it's clear enough.

Is there a verse that says that the life is the soul? Would like to see that.

 

[FearGod]

Is there a verse that says that the life is the soul? Would like to see that.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that giveth life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I have spoken unto you are spirit, are are life.

 

[Sister Cyber]

It is referring to the bread and wine. They "symbolize' the death and resurrection of our Lord. They symbolize his body and blood.

No it doesn't, and no they didn't. Read the next verse:
John 6:54 "Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.<p> </p>55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.<p> </p>56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.<p> </p>57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me."

You should be aware that in the verses prior to that, he had been addressing the crowd in parable mode, but then, you see he cut to the chase and made himself verily, verily crystal clear.

Again, what strikes me is that he said all that BEFORE the Passover observance commonly referred to as the "last supper." Long before. Of how much time elapsed between the two events, I am uncertain. The Passover incident was merely a reminder and a full practice-run for the disciples of what they were expected by him to do: eat his flesh and drink his blood.

So, it is obvious that he concisely made himself perfectly clear and we do especially get this point when we continue in our reading...:

60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is a hard saying; who can hear it?

61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

Well yes, wouldn't *you* be offended at first if you were just informed that you were required to eat your loved one and drink their blood?

Time for a 7 minute commercial break... "So you've decided to eat your loved one"

 

[moorea944]

John 6:63
It is the spirit that giveth life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I have spoken unto you are spirit, are are life.

That verse has nothing to do with your verse on the soul. First of all. What is a "soul". Most people has taken that word and completely changed the meaning of it. The bible's soul is someone who is alive. A living, breathing person. That is a soul. No where in the bible does it say that God gave us a soul, we are a soul. Souls (people) can eat, sleep, die, get tired. Plus, nowhere in the bible do you ever find immortal and soul together at all, ever. Soul and spirit are different and can be written in many different ways. Do we have a soul? Of course not, we are one.

 

[Sister Cyber]

John 6:63

You skipped 62. That ties into 63 and so on...

62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63 It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Note that there, again, he referred to himself as the son of man (not son of god). That portion of the 6th chapter of john contains popularly misinterpreted text that clearly requires no special interpretation in the first place. Here is what I mean: "What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?" The question is obviously referring to his predetermined plan to appear to the disciples in astral form, which I will give a little more detail about in Chapter 10. "It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." As I said earlier, he understood the mechanics of the Human body and he knew the process involved in deliberate Out Of Body Experiences

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

It now lines up and makes sense when you see clearly how this piece fits into the age-old puzzle. After coming to understand that in order to receive what the man called Jesus had to offer, they would have to first eat his flesh and drink his blood, many *would* opt out of that plan, leave and stop following him. It weeded out the superficial and thin-skinned disciples from his die-hard friends-to-the-end, as it is written that after he said that, the number of disciples he wound up talking to had diminished to 12 when he started with "many" (hundreds). It was those remaining ones who sacrificed him, ate his flesh, drank his blood and "acted with power" when the pentecost occurred, who indeed are as alive today as he is through biblical text of the new testament and who will live as long as those texts are referenced by the masses.

68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

PETER proclaimed that the people thought he was the son of god, even though the man called jesus never said that, only referring to himself ever as the son of MAN, and if you observe carefully, you will note it was always only PETER who piped up calling him the son of god.

 

[moorea944]

No it doesn't, and no they didn't. Read the next verse:
John 6:54 "Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.<p> </p>55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.<p> </p>56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.<p> </p>57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me."
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You should be aware that in the verses prior to that, he had been addressing the crowd in parable mode, but then, you see he cut to the chase and made himself verily, verily crystal clear.

Again, what strikes me is that he said all that BEFORE the Passover observance commonly referred to as the "last supper." Long before. Of how much time elapsed between the two events, I am uncertain. The Passover incident was merely a reminder and a full practice-run for the disciples of what they were expected by him to do: eat his flesh and drink his blood.

So, it is obvious that he concisely made himself perfectly clear and we do especially get this point when we continue in our reading...:
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60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is a hard saying; who can hear it?

61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

Well yes, wouldn't *you* be offended at first if you were just informed that you were required to eat your loved one and drink their blood?

Time for a 7 minute commercial break... "So you've decided to eat your loved one"

Yes, it does. Just out of curiosity, what do you think it means then...

1 Cor 11 v 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do show the Lord’s death till he come

1 Cor 10 "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?"

So you see, it is taking about that.