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Can good people go to hell?

Sonofason

Sonofason

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Example, I know there is a God because I experience God. I do not know there is a heaven or hell, but I believe such places or states of existence exist.
 
uncung

uncung

Member
Sonofason said:
Nope, to say you "know" who is going to hell makes your statement a lie, because you do not know. The question is, why do you want people to believe that you think you know what you are talking about?
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How do you know that I don't know? My religion state that non muslims will go to hell. and no doubt to it.
I want people don't go to hell, but sadly people are ignorant.
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
psychoslice said:
Yes so you have been told, but my friend, there isn't.
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No, you do not know that there is no heaven or hell. You believe there isn't...big difference

I wish people would express their knowledge truthfully. But sadly no one does...not one person is honest.
 
psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Sonofason said:
No, you do not know that there is no heaven or hell. You believe there isn't...big difference

I wish people would express their knowledge truthfully. But sadly no one does...not one person is honest.
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Ok then, prove there is, express your knowledge in proof.
 
Deeje

Deeje

Avid Bible Student
Premium Member
Father Heathen said:
Justice is when the punishment is proportionate to the offense.
No act committed by a human could be equivalent to an eternity of physical and psychological torture.
Thus the concept of hell is unjust.
If there is a god, they would be a being of pure love and pure logic.
Therefore anything devoid of compassion or reason cannot be of god.
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You raise good points.

The concept of Christendom's hell makes a mockery of God's perfect justice. The punishment was always in line with the severity of the crime. The highest penalty one could pay for the worst crime was death...not torture for the rest of your days.

There is a God, but he didn't invent the notion of hell, satan did and hung it around God's neck so that people would think badly of him. Injustice eats away at people and nothing is more unjust than the idea that God takes some kind of pleasure in the suffering of the wicked.

"Hell" (sheol) in the Bible is nothing more than the grave...we all go there. (Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10)

Jesus used the Greek equivalent "hades"...also meaning to 'sleep unconsciously in death'. Another word used by Jesus and often translated as hell, was "gehenna". But it didn't mean a conscious fiery torment in some kind of underworld prison. "Gehenna" was the city's garbage dump where fires were kept burning day and night to consume the refuse. The carcasses of dead animals and the bodies of executed criminals were cast into gehenna because such ones were not considered worthy of a decent burial. It carried the notion that because the person did not have an official burial place, that God would not remember them in the resurrection. This is where the idea originated and became embellished by the churches. It was used to keep people in fear so as to control the masses that they kept uneducated.

To Jews, who had no teaching about an immortal soul, the resurrection was their only opportunity to live again. (John 5:28, 29)

Since there is no part of man that survives death, there is no soul to go anywhere after death. The dead are just asleep. Those in hades wake up, but those in gehenna stay dead, never to return to life. You have to be incorrigibly wicked to be sentenced to gehenna. It all simply life or death...not heaven or hell. That is God's justice....perfect. :)
 
Sonofason

Sonofason

Well-Known Member
uncung said:
Prove it that heaven is not real, you can't.
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And you lie again, suggesting that I said there is no heaven. I did not say that...but you knew that.
I said I don't know if there is a heaven. I said I believe there is such a place or existence.
What is your next lie?
 
uncung

uncung

Member
Sonofason said:
And you lie again, suggesting that I said there is no heaven. I did not say that...but you knew that.
I said I don't know if there is a heaven. I said I believe there is such a place or existence.
What is your next lie?
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hi, that comment is not for you.
 
psychoslice

psychoslice

Veteran Member
uncung said:
No, madam, we both have the burden, you have to prove that heaven is not rel, so do I.
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The Burden Of Proof
In practice, then, this means that the initial burden of proof lies with those on the side of theism, not with those on the side of atheism. Both the atheist and the theist probably agree on a great many things, but it is the theist who asserts the further belief in the existence of a god.
 
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