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Book of Daniel fulfilled.

Jayhawker Soule

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Was it an hallucination shared by everyone? I mean did Titus give everyone present a dose of LSD? Or did a hypnotist hypnotize the witnesses? Did they all have a psychotic break and see the same hallucination?
A self-proclaimed A student and these are the only possible alternatives that you can envision? So much for home-schooling.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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When you're talking to people who believe Biblical stories are not factually true...whether that's an atheist or simply one of the millions of religious people who understand the tales in the Bible are allegory...the existence of a witness in the story is irrelevant.

I might as well say Chewbacca witnessed Kylo Ren murdering Han Solo, therefore we know it really happened because there was a witness.
If you have nothing good to say about Chewbacca get other of his thread!
 

fantome profane

Anti-Woke = Anti-Justice
Premium Member
If you have nothing good to say about Chewbacca get other of his thread!

Don't get me wrong, I'm very pro-Chewie. :D
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Brian Schuh

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One doesn't need credentials to see that Daniel is fulfilled, one only needs a few brain cells that still communicate.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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What? Females were never commanded to menstruate or give birth. Males were commanded to father children.
From The Jewish Study Bible: Genesis 1:27,28 ...

And God created man in His image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

God blessed them and God said to them, "Be fertile and increase, fill the earth and master it; and rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, and all the living things that creep on the earth.

Now most if not all commentaries recognize this as a command to procreate, a command issued to man and woman created b'tzelem 'elohim. But our preterist -- our "Jew who was too poor to go to Hebrew school" -- knows better. How fortunate for us that he takes the time to share his insights.

Not.
 

Brian Schuh

Well-Known Member
From The Jewish Study Bible: Genesis 1:27,28 ...

And God created man in His image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

God blessed them and God said to them, "Be fertile and increase, fill the earth and master it; and rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, and all the living things that creep on the earth.

Now most if not all commentaries recognize this as a command to procreate, a command issued to man and woman created b'tzelem 'elohim. But our preterist -- our "Jew who was too poor to go to Hebrew school" -- knows better. How fortunate for us that he takes the time to share his insights.

Not.
Now
From The Jewish Study Bible: Genesis 1:27,28 ...

And God created man in His image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

God blessed them and God said to them, "Be fertile and increase, fill the earth and master it; and rule the fish of the sea, the birds of the sky, and all the living things that creep on the earth.

Now most if not all commentaries recognize this as a command to procreate, a command issued to man and woman created b'tzelem 'elohim. But our preterist -- our "Jew who was too poor to go to Hebrew school" -- knows better. How fortunate for us that he takes the time to share his insights.

Not.
Mishneh Torah, P212- piryah verivyah is not binding upon women. 6th chapter of Yevamoth 65b. Can be found on www.chabad.org.
 

Brian Schuh

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Although the Dead Sea Scrolls include passages of Daniel, the passage 11:36 to end of chapter and the portions of chapter 12 that "predict" Ceasar Augustus to fall of Masada could have been added after the fact. In Pseudepigrapha, this happens often. Daniel as we have it today might not have been completed till 74 C.E. whereas most of it could have been written prior to 164 B.C.E. The Daniel myths could have been based on a historical Daniel and written as early as the Babylonian captivity. Although the Septuagint and Masoretic texts include the book of Daniel as we have it today, the earliest extant copy of those are still after the date in question. So therefore, the passage in question could have been written after the fact explaining how it seems to predict the future.

As for armies in the sky and phantoms, we might never know what they actually saw, and as for "witnesses" we have three historical accounts. The Talmud mentions it as well. Just another strange report, there might be a reasonable explanation. Take it for what it is worth, just a story. Josephus himself said it sounds like a fable, but included it in his Wars of the Jews because credible people witnessed it. Credible to Josephus that is.
 

Brian Schuh

Well-Known Member
Stop trying to divert my thread to something ridiculous. That is not a reflection on my intelligence, but yours.

How do you explain that Daniel seems to predict the future? It is more compelling than Nostradamus.
 

Brian Schuh

Well-Known Member
Three legitimate history books plus the Talmud, independent of each other, record that there seemed to be a resurrection and armies in the sky the same year Jesus and Daniel predicted there would be.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Although the Dead Sea Scrolls include passages of Daniel, the passage 11:36 to end of chapter and the portions of chapter 12 that "predict" Ceasar Augustus to fall of Masada could have been added after the fact. In Pseudepigrapha, this happens often. Daniel as we have it today might not have been completed till 74 C.E. whereas most of it could have been written prior to 164 B.C.E. The Daniel myths could have been based on a historical Daniel and written as early as the Babylonian captivity..
And, therefore, you could be right and the consensus of scholarship could be wrong. :D

BTW:

I still haven't found the post where you shared with us why your views on Daniel should be deemed more credible than that of peer reviewed scholarship.
 
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