Book of Daniel fulfilled.

[Brian Schuh]

Daniel 11:1-35 history of Alexander the Great up to Antiochus Epiphanies.

Daniel 11:36-38- Caesar is the wilful King, description of the Imperial Cult.

Daniel 11:40 Antony, King of North and Cleopatra, "king" of South unite to fight Caesar Augustus.

Daniel 11:41 Battle of Actium. Edom, Moab and Amnon were unmolested. End of Roman democracy and beginning of "true" empire.

Daniel 11:42, 43 Caesar Nero prepared to wage war with Israel, was abandoned by everyone and came to his end.

Daniel 12:1 "in the sky appeared a vision of armies in conflict, of glittering armour." Tacitus, the Histories 5.13. At beginning of Jerusalem War.

Daniel 12:2 "When the first workers touched the earth, blood spouted from it, groans and bellowings were heard, and many phantoms appeared." Cassius Dio, Roman History 63:16.
Also see Suetonius, Lives of the Twelve Caesars 6:19.

Daniel 12:7. 3 1/2 years from Feast of Tabernacles 66 C.E. to Passover 70 C.E.

Daniel 12:8-11 End of daily sacrifice for Ceasar till Roman idols worshipped in Temple-- 6 Av 66 C.E. till 70 C.E. 1290 days.

Destruction of Temple to first day of peace, a day after fall of Masada. 9 Av 70 C.E. to 16 Nisan 74 C.E. 1335 days.

This is so convincing, that I believe some of this was written after the fact and made to look like prophecy. Otherwise, I am forced to believe it is possible to predict the future.

About some strange things written in Roman history, of a man appearing in the sky with an army and a "resurrection" of phantoms, it only makes sense in light of Daniel and Mathew 24.

The book of Daniel is fulfilled.

 

[Random]

Bel and the Dragon.

 

[Brian Schuh]

Bel and the Dragon.

I prefer "Susanna." Jesus and Daniel both had heart for women accused of adultery.

Is there something in Bel and the Dragon that is yet to be fulfilled?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

<yawn>

ink-blot theology​

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[Brian Schuh]

<yawn>

ink-blot theology​

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If you have nothing to contribute, why are you on my thread?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

If you have nothing to contribute, why are you on my thread?

You no doubt meant "nothing to contribute that you agree with".

 

[Brian Schuh]

You no doubt meant "nothing to contribute that you agree with".

Contribute something whether I agree with it or not, or get off my thread.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

..., or get off my thread.

 

[Random]

I prefer "Susanna." Jesus and Daniel both had heart for women accused of adultery.

Sure, it's a nice story. Susanna and the Elders - "Iniquity came forth from Babylon, from elders who were judges, who were supposed to govern the people." (Sus. 1:5)

Is there something in Bel and the Dragon that is yet to be fulfilled?

Short answer, maybe. Long answer? Too long, really. It's apocryphal unless your Catholic or Orthodox anyway.

 

[Brian Schuh]

Sure, it's a nice story. Susanna and the Elders - "Iniquity came forth from Babylon, from elders who were judges, who were supposed to govern the people." (Sus. 1:5)



Short answer, maybe. Long answer? Too long, really. It's apocryphal unless your Catholic or Orthodox anyway.

There are a few apocryphal stories found in the Dead Sea Scrolls that belong to the Daniel legends. There are a few Daniel stories besides these as well.

I admit that not all of Daniel is fulfilled. But Daniel 11-12 is fulfilled as I stated above. Maybe this thread should have been called The Unfulfilled Parts of Daniel.

 

[fantome profane]

If you have nothing to contribute, why are you on my thread?

Did you understand his comment about ink-blot theology? Would you like to address that comment? Or do you want to chase him away because you are afraid of dealing with that comment?

 

[Brian Schuh]

Did you understand his comment about ink-blot theology? Would you like to address that comment? Or do you want to chase him away because you are afraid of dealing with that comment?

What does he mean by "inkblot" theology?

Look, parts of the first few verses of Daniel 11 were found in Dead Sea Scrolls. But much of it wasn't and it describes history so well, although briefly, that I wonder if it might have been written after the fact instead of being prophecy.

Inkblot theology I take as some kind of insult, no matter what it means. So what does that mean?

 

[Quagmire]

Daniel 11:1-35 history of Alexander the Great up to Antiochus Epiphanies.

Scholastic consensus is that the Book of Daniel was composed after the reign of Alexander. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Daniel#Composition

Daniel 11:36-38- Caesar is the wilful King, description of the Imperial Cult.

Well, lets go down the list:

36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself,

Julius Caesar (if that's who you meant) was never a King, and even if he had been, the above is pretty much a standard description of most rulers.

--- and magnify himself above every god,

When and which Caesar did this?

--- and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods; [/quote]

Or this?

--- and he shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished; for that which is determined shall be done.

Just a tad vague. Sounds like it's saying, "He shall be successful at what he does until he's done doing it".

--- 37 Neither shall he regard the gods of his fathers,

Which Caesar "disregarded the gods of his fathers, and when?

--- nor the desire of women,

LOL! Again, which Caesar are we talking about?

All I have time for atm . . .

The book of Daniel is fulfilled.

. . . but so far it sounds to me like the only thing being fulfilled wishful thinking.

 

[Brian Schuh]

Scholastic consensus is that the Book of Daniel was composed after the reign of Alexander. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Daniel#Composition



Well, lets go down the list:

36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself,

Julius Caesar (if that's who you meant) was never a King, and even if he had been, the above is pretty much a standard description of most rulers.

--- and magnify himself above every god,

When and which Caesar did this?

--- and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods;

Or this?

--- and he shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished; for that which is determined shall be done.

Just a tad vague. Sounds like it's saying, "He shall be successful at what he does until he's done doing it".

--- 37 Neither shall he regard the gods of his fathers,

Which Caesar "disregarded the gods of his fathers, and when?

--- nor the desire of women,

LOL! Again, which Caesar are we talking about?

All I have time for atm . . .



. . . but so far it sounds to me like the only thing being fulfilled wishful thinking.[/QUOTE]
Much of this passage was not only written after Alexander the Great, but after the fall of Masada in 74 C.E. considering it describes history so well, although briefly.

 

[Quagmire]

Much of this passage was not only written after Alexander the Great, but after the fall of Masada in 74 C.E. considering it describes history so well, although briefly.

Then why would you consider it a fulfilled prophecy rather than an after-the-fact report?

 

[Brian Schuh]

Much of this passage was not only written after Alexander the Great, but written after the fall of Masada in the year 74 C.E. considering how accurately it described history no matter how brief.

 

[Brian Schuh]

Then why would you consider it a fulfilled prophecy rather than an after-the-fact report?

I agree, it seems to be an after the fact report. That still doesn't explain what people actually saw when they said they saw an army in the clouds and phantoms coming out of the earth.

 

[Brian Schuh]

Jesus said that his generation would not pass till they saw the sign of the son of man with his angels in the sky. Daniel 12 said many that sleep in the earth would rise. These were seen in 66 C.E. the historians Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius and Cassius Dio wrote about it.

 

[Quagmire]

Jesus said that his generation would not pass till they saw the sign of the son of man with his angels in the sky. Daniel 12 said many that sleep in the earth would rise. These were seen in 66 C.E. the historians Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius and Cassius Dio wrote about it.

This is all news to me. Do you have any links?

 

[Brian Schuh]

Josephus wrote, "I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sunsetting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities."