Why the Hell . . . .

[Demonslayer]

When it comes to the unbelievers, God punish them for insisting to deny what they are sure in their inner-selves to be true..

That Tom Brady is innocent?

 

[JustWondering]

Just my opinion but it must be easier to deny a deity that to investigate if there
is one (or are any).
Kind of lazy thinking in my world view.
An atheist need not believe, pray, consider, human existence.
Why, I would ask, though out human history has mankind felt a need
to worship something greater than man?
Innate perhaps? Why do humans need to make meaning??????????????
See:
www.philosophytalk.org/shows/worship

Worship is the feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for something. The attitude of worship towards God or ... make human life ... of worship needs to ...

How Christian of you to belittle and insult a whole group of people like that.

 

[JustWondering]

Not just the Abrahamic faith's, but ALL revealed religions are flawed, because all revelations is either non-transmittable as anything other than hearsay, or (more likely), it's all manufactured in the first place, with hell being the invention of sadists.

God, if It exists, isn't fatally flawed. It created the universe specifically to spawn self-aware creatures with free will. That some of us use that free will to do evil, is the choice of those that do so, not God's choice. They flunk the test, at least if they don't repent and change their attitude. If you want to know God, look to the one which wasn't invented by men with all the accompanying revelations.

Why do you assume a god must be what a human being would subjectively label "good"? Doesn't all the pointless suffering in the world clearly point to a "evil" or apathetic god if one exists?

 

[Demonslayer]

Doesn't all the pointless suffering in the world clearly point to a "evil" or apathetic god if one exists?

Blame those apple eating naked people, they should have known better than to trust a talking snake.

 

[JustWondering]

Blame those apple eating naked people, they should have known better than to trust a talking snake.

Lol, your comment made me imagine a now you know style PA warning people not to trust talking snakes.

 

[JustWondering]

Who has never had a fair opportunity to know God?

Rom 1:18-20 (ESVST) 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

How do you clearly perceive something that is invisible? That makes utterly no sense what so ever. No sense at all. That's like a lunatic shooting someone in the face for not believing in invisible leprechauns even though they clearly perceived their invisible glory. Rainbows exist right? So, Leprechauns must exist. So that person, who didn't believe in leprechauns clearly deserved to be shot in the face. That is the type of extremely flawed and twisted "logic" you are using here.

 

[JustWondering]

The act of torturing someone is an evil act. Even if the torture is done for some perceived greater good it is still an evil act. Torturing someone for NO reason would require someone to be evil and sadistic. Damning someone to eternal torture serves no purpose. Therefore, any god that would impose eternal torture on someone must be evil and sadistic.

Any theists with a god who is going to torture people care to explain how their god is not evil and sadistic?

 

[JoStories]

I see now, you don't even believe in God.

Which God? Your version of God? No, I do not. But the version of God I believe in, yes.

 

[JoStories]

Disagreeing with God's morals doesn't make God cease to exist or cease to be the judge that will hold all to account. And thinking His judgements hateful or foolish does not make them so.

Again, It would depend on which version of God one believes in and whether or not that version is the correct one. For one, the Christian version is simply too punitive to be believable.

 

[JoStories]

The wrongdoing against God deserves that particular punishment, that is simply the objective reason. One explanation is that as God is infinitely worthy, to rebel against Him deserves infinite punishment. That isn't confirmed or denied in the Scriptures however, but that's one possible explanation. What matter is that this is the punishment that is deserved.

How do you know that God is a "him"? Do you realize most of your ideals for hell and Satan and all this is from Milton and Dante? If God is the God of your Bible and I am to be confined to this hell for believing in a Buddhist notion of God, then God has no meaning whatsoever in any faith. God is not about punishment in my view. God is about lessons that we must learn and no longer make those mistakes. It is about enlightenment, not this good V bad thing where one mistake lands one in this hell based on two books of fiction.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

Start another thread about your personal opinion about Christianity. Some of us want to hear it!

I never said anything about my personal opinion on Christianity. may be go back and read what I wrote

 

[Thief]

Actually, I believe that is a parable about Sheol, - where both good and bad go to await the Messiah, and final judgment.

In The Bosom of Abraham, - refers to reclining at ease at the head table, they are at peace, as they were righteous.

The rich man represents those that fell short, - and sleep restless - out of fear, - and anger at themselves, - for not changing their ways before it was too late. They burn with desire for what they now can't have.

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not to protest....I don't
but I mentioned the parable for it's terms of proximity

the rich man and the angel are having a face to face discussion
event though there is a great 'divide' between them

 

[djhwoodwerks]

How do you clearly perceive something that is invisible?

How do you clearly perceive the wind?

 

[Ingledsva]

First we have to define the bible's four terms that are translated "hell". Two of them simply mean the "grave" (sheol--OT, hades--NT). One is a fiery garbage pit outside Jerusalem (gehenna). The final one (tartaroo a.k.a--abyss/deep) is a spiritual prison where satan and his demons are on "work release" (Luk 8:27-31) awaiting their judgment (2 Pe 2:4).

Tartaroo is considered the deepest depths of Sheol.

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to Tararoo (the deepest abyss of Hades/SHEOL), and delivered them into binding darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Remember the Bosom of Abraham story? The righteous recline in peace at the elevated owners table, and the wicked one is below, burning with desire for even a drop of what they have..

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[Ingledsva]

How do you clearly perceive the wind?

Does not compute.

We can feel the wind, and see what it does, ripple grass, blow down trees, etc., we can use a simple weather-vane for direction, and we can track it.

That is not the case for Deities.

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[URAVIP2ME]

The god of the bible seems to be limited in his options
as to how to deal with the world's perceived problems.
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What is ' limited in His options ' about Daniel 2:44
What is ' limited in His options ' about Isaiah 11:3-4
What is ' limited in His options ' about Revelation 19:11; Revelation 19:14-16

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Tartaroo is considered the deepest depths of Sheol.
2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to Tararoo (the deepest abyss of Hades/SHEOL), and delivered them into binding darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Remember the Bosom of Abraham story? The righteous recline in peace at the elevated owners table, and the wicked one is below, burning with desire for even a drop of what they have..
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The ' Bosom of Abraham ' - Luke 16:14-31 is an illustration and Not a real happening - Matthew 13:34
Cast down to Tartarus ( tartaro'o ) - 2 Peter 2:4 are the fallen angels - Jude 1:5-6 - who will be destroyed as all the wicked will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; Hebrews 2:14 B
The Bible's Tartarus (tartaro'o) is Not the grave. Jesus appeared to the demons 'after' God resurrected Jesus out of biblical hell (sheol/grave) - 1 Peter 3:18-20
Biblical Tartarus (tartaro'o) is the precursor to their abyssing - Revelation 20:1-3; Revelation 20:7-10,14, followed by their destruction at the end of Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over earth. Jesus destroys Satan - Hebrews 2:14 B - Satan ends up in ' second death ' - Revelation 21:8 - so ' second death' is a fitting term for: destruction.

 

[Ingledsva]

What is ' limited in His options ' about Daniel 2:44
What is ' limited in His options ' about Isaiah 11:3-4
What is ' limited in His options ' about Revelation 19:11; Revelation 19:14-16

Always about some imaginary future event, - to keep people trudging along, hoping.

Thousands of years, - same some-time-in-the-future message.

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[URAVIP2ME]

Always about some imaginary future event, - to keep people trudging along, hoping.
Thousands of years, - same some-time-in-the-future message.
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You're not alone in your thinking. However, it's Not some-time-in-the-future message because never before in history has mankind see the fulfillment of Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8
Even modern technology has made rapid Bible translation possible even in remote areas of earth so people now have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native languages.
We are seeing the major fulfillment of Luke 21:11, and we are nearing the ' final signal ', so to speak, of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when ' they ' (powers that be ) will be saying, " Peace and Security " as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before the start of Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over earth, when Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The Bible's Tartarus (tartaro'o) is Not the grave. Jesus appeared to the demons 'after' God resurrected Jesus out of biblical hell (sheol/grave) - 1 Peter 3:18-20

Why would you think Jesus went to preach to demons?

1Pe 3:18-20 (ESVST) 18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 20 because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.

Are you saying that everyone in Noah's day that died in the flood were demons?