Why exactly do Jehovah's Witnesses evangelize?

[Unveiled Artist]

What does 2:05 mean? Do you mean 2:05:00?

Oh. 2:05:35 The cross examination of Dr. White.

I just finished listening to the video. If people are interested, yall could do a poll on who makes the best points based on the video rather than just our (or christians, Id say) own perspective of the subject.

 

[savagewind]

@Katzpur The Jehovah's Witnesses take pride in their perceived superior insight on what the Bible really teaches.
They say the women of Noah's day were proud to be taken by angels to have sex with them. Do you think that is scripturally true?
They also teach that Genesis 6:2 says the women were "pretty" but with a little study I can see that the Bible calls them "kindly" or "good". I can actually see the great difference in meaning. That so many people can't see it is scary!
Pretty describes the outside look of a person. Does it not? Kindly and good describes a person's heart. No?

From towb; good (as an adjective) in the widest sense; used likewise as a noun, both in the masculine and the feminine, the singular and the plural (good, a good or good thing, a good man or woman; the good, goods or good things, good men or women), also as an adverb (well) -- beautiful, best, better, bountiful, cheerful, at ease, X fair (word), (be in) favour, fine, glad, good (deed, -lier, -liest, -ly, -ness, -s), graciously, joyful, kindly, kindness, liketh (best), loving, merry, X most, pleasant, + pleaseth, pleasure, precious, prosperity, ready, sweet, wealth, welfare, (be) well ((-favoured)).

http://biblehub.com/hebrew/2896.htm
Also describes figs. It describing figs means, "good to eat".

 

[Katzpur]

@Katzpur The Jehovah's Witnesses take pride in their perceived superior insight on what the Bible really teaches.

Yes, I know they do. Trust me, I've been exposed to enough of them on this forum to have figured that out, and if there is one character trait that I absolutely detest, it's self-righteousness.

They say the women of Noah's day were proud to be taken by angels to have sex with them. Do you think that is scripturally true?

No, I don't, but I'm assuming they have some kind of rationale for believing it. I mean Catholics have some rationale for believing in transubstantiation, and even though I believe they've interpreted scripture incorrectly, if I make the effort, I can appreciate why they believe as they do. For the most part, that's what I try to do. Everybody has different ways of viewing the same scriptures. I can deal with the differences of interpretation. What I can't tolerate is the self-righteousness of certain people, and every denomination has their fair share of those people.

 

[Grumpuss]

No. 28:28
"How can we avoid the sin of idolatry?" The worship of angels is idolatry. JWs make Jesus into an angel. So, they say, "don't worship him". I think that order is contrary to scripture. Isn't it?

Though strictly speaking, the 2nd Commandment prohibits worship of the crucifix by all Christians. Amazing how we justify which rules are acceptable to break. A wise Christian takes penance and asks for forgiveness for the sins unknowingly committed too.

 

[Deeje]

In what sense were these women "good"...."good-looking"? "good in bed"? Do not men take notice of good looking women?

Strongs lists the first definition of this Hebrew word "towb" as:

good, pleasant, agreeable

1. pleasant, agreeable (to the senses)

So these women among a generation that God had already judged as having only evil inclinations....
Gen 6:5, 6:
"Consequently, Jehovah saw that man’s wickedness was great on the earth and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only bad all the time. 6 Jehovah regretted that he had made men on the earth, and his heart was saddened."

There were no "good people". This describes all mankind at this point in time.
Since not a single person other than Noah and his family survived the flood, so clearly, God did not see these women as "good" at all.

The demons who materialized fleshly bodies thought they were "good"....but for what purpose? "Agreeable" to their lust more likely?
You think that these very handsome human specimens (they made their own bodies) were going to take ugly women for their wives. Seriously?

 

[savagewind]

In what sense were these women "good"...."good-looking"? "good in bed"? Do not men take notice of good looking women?

Strongs lists the first definition of this Hebrew word "towb" as:

good, pleasant, agreeable

1. pleasant, agreeable (to the senses)

So these women among a generation that God had already judged as having only evil inclinations....
Gen 6:5, 6:
"Consequently, Jehovah saw that man’s wickedness was great on the earth and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only bad all the time. 6 Jehovah regretted that he had made men on the earth, and his heart was saddened."

There were no "good people". This describes all mankind at this point in time.
Since not a single person other than Noah and his family survived the flood, so clearly, God did not see these women as "good" at all.

The demons who materialized fleshly bodies thought they were "good"....but for what purpose? "Agreeable" to their lust more likely?
You think that these very handsome human specimens (they made their own bodies) were going to take ugly women for their wives. Seriously?

I know you do not listen. A person can "have only evil intention" even if the only thing wrong about the person is they deny their leader God. Do you not understand that? But, it is what the BIBLE is about.

Also that you think angels were made human is YOUR interpretation of the event described there. You have adopted that conclusion from Babylon the Great.

I will tell you what is funny. YOU teach your interpretation of scripture, right or wrong, and YOU are being given Paradise Earth. I do not even teach my version. I only blah, blah, blah it on forum but according to YOU I am being given judgement and will never see paradise. Do you not find that interesting?

 

[savagewind]

Though strictly speaking, the 2nd Commandment prohibits worship of the crucifix by all Christians. Amazing how we justify which rules are acceptable to break. A wise Christian takes penance and asks for forgiveness for the sins unknowingly committed too.

I love you! Are you saying I worship a crucifix? Who told you that? I am sure I do not.

 

[savagewind]

I will tell you some more irony @Deeje
The Jehovah's Witnesses tell people that it is not possible that they will survive the Great Tribulation if they are not kind to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses. They say The Bible tells them so! But what about this?
Matthew19:25When the disciples heard this, they were very astonished and said, "Then who can be saved?"26And looking at them Jesus said to them, "With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

It even gets repeated.

Mark10:26 They were even more astonished and said to Him, "Then who can be saved?" 27Looking at them, Jesus said, "With people it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible with God."

Twice!

Luke 18:26-27 26They who heard it said, "Then who can be saved?" 27But He said, "The things that are impossible with people are possible with God."

I know you have never said the exact words, "believe in the governing body and be saved". But I am pretty sure you have said it a hundred times, "if you won't eat at the table the governing body has set up you will be judged." @Deeje Don't you finish most posts with that idea?

 

[savagewind]

I just had an inspiration! Blah blah blah
LOL
The crucifix was brought up so now I can talk about that and not be off topic.
Some people like the sign and wear it. It is pretty and I believe quite harmless but I know I won't do it as I consider the well-being of my fellow human beans.
But it has just occurred to me that anyone believing in Christ but agreeing in their heart that Christ can not communicate with them personally is them worshipping the cross because the cross or stake is the way he died and dead people can't talk imho.

I think so far I have met only one other person who has personally heard from Jesus Christ and I was thinking of mentioning her but doing so is against the forum rules (most of the time). I love you, lady!

So there are two of us who do not worship the cross. And of course! The Jehovah's Witness worship no cross. They worship a stake.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

How about read Matthew 7:23? "Get away from me, you evil doers!" Yes, Jesus shunned unrepentant ones.

Typical WT training. Try this again, but use it in it's context please.

Mat 7:21-23 (ESVST) 21 " Not everyone who says to me, ' Lord, Lord, ' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ' Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness. '

How do you get "Yes, Jesus "SHUNNED" unrepentant ones" from that context? Jesus said, "ON THAT DAY", He will say, "I never knew you, depart from Me".

 

[savagewind]

Typical WT training. Try this again, but use it in it's context please.

Mat 7:21-23 (ESVST) 21 " Not everyone who says to me, ' Lord, Lord, ' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ' Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness. '

How do you get "Yes, Jesus "SHUNNED" unrepentant ones" from that context? Jesus said, "ON THAT DAY", He will say, "I never knew you, depart from Me".

Of course, the story goes that his saying "get away from me" comes at Judgment day. Then it follows after that that they are dead (logically-they are taught to remove all logic from their head)Then of course he would have Jesus Christ shunning dead ones. I think I might be the only one who thinks that is funny.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

So I am taking it that you couldn't find any words of Jesus to justify bloodshed?

Nope, there is none. I never claimed there was, did I? I take it you couldn't find any words of Jesus to justify not eating blood either? Or did you happily miss that question?

Eccl 3:3, 8 applied to Israel at a time when war was sanctioned by God....he hasn't sanctioned a war for thousands of years. Certainly not one in the christian era.

And you know this, how?

 

[savagewind]

There are no words of Jesus to justify making the Kingdom of God into a business either.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Seriously...this is the best argument you have? How terribly controversial djh. Faith altering stuff this.

I am sure we'll never be saved unless we are fully convinced that Jesus is the Christ.
Does it not stand to reason that if Jesus chose the 12, that they were all pretty sure about who he was? Don't you think the miracles would have clinched it?

Controversial? This is just another play on words from the WT to push their deception. Maybe the 11 Apostles were convinced, but not, "the disciples of Jesus", Jesus had many disciples.

*** bh chap. 4 p. 39 par. 5 Who Is Jesus Christ? ***
5 In the first century C.E., the disciples of Jesus of Nazareth were fully convinced that he was the foretold Messiah. (John 1:41)

I'm sure, only a JW reading that sentence would think, "the 12 disciples of Jesus were fully convinced". When I read that sentence, and then read the Bible account of it, I can see the subtle deception in it. But a JW won't see it.

Jn 6:65-66 (ESVST) 65 And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father." 66 After this many of his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him.


Luke 1:13-15 (ESVST) 13 But the angel said to him, "Do not be afraid, Zechariah, for your prayer has been heard, and your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you shall call his name John. 14 And you will have joy and gladness, and many will rejoice at his birth, 15 for he will be great before the Lord. And he must not drink wine or strong drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

John was born for the purpose of preparing the way for Jesus. He spent his whole life in the desert, preparing for Jesus' day. He was filled with the Holy Spirit from birth. He knew the sign that was to show Who Jesus was, he knew Who Jesus was.

Jn 1:29 (ESVST) 29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, " Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!


Was he "fully convinced" Jesus was the foretold Messiah? No.

Luk 7:18-19 (ESVST) 18 The disciples of John reported all these things to him. And John, 19 calling two of his disciples to him, sent them to the Lord, saying, " Are you the one who is to come, or shall we look for another?"


Were the 11 "fully convinced" who He was? No.

Mar 4:39-41 (ESVST) 39 And he awoke and rebuked the wind and said to the sea, " Peace! Be still!" And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm. 40 He said to them, " Why are you so afraid? Have you still no faith?" 41 And they were filled with great fear and said to one another, " Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey him?"

This is the kind of "subtle" deception all throughout WT teaching. JW's just can't see it. This in itself is menial, but you combine all the deception by the WT, and it is very powerful!

 

[Grumpuss]

I love you! Are you saying I worship a crucifix? Who told you that? I am sure I do not.

I did not say that, no. Just that to depict objects or images that are holy is to violate the Second Commandment.

 

[savagewind]

I did not say that, no. Just that to depict objects or images that are holy is to violate the Second Commandment.

I am having a hard time seeing the points you are making. Truth is holy imho. Is it to be hidden?

 

[Grumpuss]

There are no words of Jesus to justify making the Kingdom of God into a business either.

Again, depends on how strictly Christians want to follow Biblical law (and of course how God will forgive such transgression). I would suggest that a child embracing the crass commercialism of Christmas, or an adult not observing the Sabbath occasionally are sins that can be forgiven quite easily. But to habitually ignore the Commandments and God's Word, calls into question what it means to be a Christian.

 

[Grumpuss]

I am having a hard time seeing the points you are making. Truth is holy imho. Is it to be hidden?

Look, either the Second Commandment applies, or it doesn't. You don't have to justify your non-observance of it to me, only to The Almighty.

 

[savagewind]

Look, either the Second Commandment applies, or it doesn't. You don't have to justify your non-observance of it to me, only to The Almighty.

Yes, I can hear your warnings loud and clear but I am sure you have yet to explain them. To leave me in the lurch is you doing what you say I am doing imho. Please tell me what I am doing wrong so that I might stop doing it, God's will be done.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Typical WT training. Try this again, but use it in it's context please.

Mat 7:21-23 (ESVST) 21 " Not everyone who says to me, ' Lord, Lord, ' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ' Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness. '

How do you get "Yes, Jesus "SHUNNED" unrepentant ones" from that context? Jesus said, "ON THAT DAY", He will say, "I never knew you, depart from Me".

Yes, you're right, the Scripture indicates a future time. My mistake. Jesus 'will shun' unrepentant ones.