Why exactly do Jehovah's Witnesses evangelize?

[Unveiled Artist]

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bt, do you know anything about Jehovah's Witnesses first hand? Or are you just copying and pasting stuff you've found on JW hate sites?

Do you know what disfellowshipping is, and why its carried out?

Do you believe that the apostle Paul got his instruction straight from Jesus? I do, and he said about unrepentant wrongdoers....

1 Cor 5:9-13 NRSVA:
" I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral persons— 10 not at all meaning the immoral of this world, or the greedy and robbers, or idolaters, since you would then need to go out of the world. 11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother or sister who is sexually immoral or greedy, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or robber. Do not even eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging those outside? Is it not those who are inside that you are to judge? 13 God will judge those outside. ‘Drive out the wicked person from among you.’"

What do you make of that jt? It looks like Paul advocated disfellowshipping...often called "excommunication".
Which according to Wiki......
"Excommunication is an institutional act of religious censure used to deprive, suspend, or limit membership in a religious community or to restrict certain rights within it, .....Some Protestants use the term disfellowship instead."

The early Christians did not tolerate those who broke God's laws and who refused counsel from the elders, demonstrating no repentance.

The apostle John also tells us what to do about those who want to introduce their own ideas....

"Be on your guard, so that you do not lose what we have worked for, but may receive a full reward. 9 Everyone who does not abide in the teaching of Christ, but goes beyond it, does not have God; whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 Do not receive into the house or welcome anyone who comes to you and does not bring this teaching; 11 for to welcome is to participate in the evil deeds of such a person."

We are not to welcome people like that.

Now look at Christendom and see that she does not discipline her members. When no discipline is administered, the good, the bad and the ugly all rub shoulders in the same pew. This is not the instruction given by the apostles. Judging "inside" the congregation is the job of the shepherds. Failure to do so is a breach of their duty of care for the whole flock, remember Jesus said "a little leaven ferments the whole lump".
They were to remove that bad influence.



This is not addressing the actions of apostates...it is speaking about opposers from outside the congregation, not traitors from within.

Being "perfect" as God is perfect mean following the instructions of his son in the teachings he left the apostles.That includes removing rotten apples.



I am afraid you have that all wrong. If you are instructed by the scriptures, you will follow their directives whether you like them or not. You think the elders and fellow Christians enjoy disfellowshipping? We are devastated when one of our own is expelled from the congregation. We hope that they will receive the discipline in the spirit that it is given and humble themselves and return to our family. We don't hate them, we want them to come back.

Sometimes it is a real test of our loyalty when a friend or close family member strays from the flock. But we remember Jesus' words....

Matt 10:34-3:
"‘Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.
35 For I have come to set a man against his father,
and a daughter against her mother,
and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;
36 and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household.
37 Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me"

Our loyalty to Christ comes before our loyalty to an erring family. We make no apology for that. Discipline works because it is from God.(Heb 12:11) It shows what is in the heart by a person either humbly returning in repentance or pride gets in the way and they end up angry and bitter. They brought the situation on themselves by their own conduct, but sometimes it takes a while for that reality to sink in. (remember the prodigal son?) If there is a repentant heart at any time, they can apply for reinstatement and if approved, having left their wrong course, they are welcomed back with open arms.

You seem to have a very distorted view of things, but if you are getting twisted second hand stories, that is not surprising.

I have one question only. EDIT Okay. So it wasnt one. Sorry bout that.

How do these verses reconcile with

Jesus

1. Being among the sick
2. Eating with his betrayer
3. Dying for sinners
4. Living with sinners
5. Praying with sinners
6. Letting a woman (say Jane) wash Jesus feet
7. Broke bread and gave wine to sinners
8. Told believers "what you do for others, you have done for me" (no excemptions)
9. Being among the people who killed him
10. Dying with a sinner who gave his life to Christ

A. Unless your verses or mine are out of context, how can you love your enemies but disrespect their relationship with Christ?

B. How do you call other denominations part of Christiondom but dont realize the JW is an organization too with the same claim as others who preach in Jesus name?

C. Follow the interpretation of the WT without responding instead from Christ (as a ambassador of god)?

I am not questioning thw JW and the religion. I disagree with them and am more in favor of Othorodox, Catholic claims.

Im asking JW on this board. I asked similar questions to my JW friends and they didnt disrepsect my faith.

Da. If JW respects people, and JW here have time to read our posts, think about it, before answering, how can you be completely off the mark in answering queations

And

Db. Even more so, hearing honest questions against your faith that have yet to be clarified by JW themselves rather then the internet and non JW bias?

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[Hockeycowboy]

So I am taking it that you couldn't find any words of Jesus to justify bloodshed?

Eccl 3:3, 8 applied to Israel at a time when war was sanctioned by God....he hasn't sanctioned a war for thousands of years. Certainly not one in the christian era.

I love this, Deeje! I wish I could've double-liked it!

As I enjoy telling people, "The God of the Hebrew Scriptures (the OT, as most know it) is the same God of the Greek Scriptures. When Jesus was sent to Earth, God didn't change...only the way to worship Him did, through Jesus!"

Take care.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

The 14 books that Paul wrote. You gotta be kidding.

No....Romans, 1&2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1&2 Thessalonians, 1&2 Timothy, Titus, Hebrews, and Philemon.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

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I have one question only. EDIT Okay. So it wasnt one. Sorry bout that.

How do these verses reconcile with

Jesus

1. Being among the sick
2. Eating with his betrayer
3. Dying for sinners
4. Living with sinners
5. Praying with sinners
6. Letting a woman (say Jane) wash Jesus feet
7. Broke bread and gave wine to sinners
8. Told believers "what you do for others, you have done for me" (no excemptions)
9. Being among the people who killed him
10. Dying with a sinner who gave his life to Christ

A. Unless your verses or mine are out of context, how can you love your enemies but disrespect their relationship with Christ?

B. How do you call other denominations part of Christiondom but dont realize the JW is an organization too with the same claim as others who preach in Jesus name?

C. Follow the interpretation of the WT without responding instead from Christ (as a ambassador of god)?

I am not questioning thw JW and the religion. I disagree with them and am more in favor of Othorodox, Catholic claims.

Im asking JW on this board. I asked similar questions to my JW friends and they didnt disrepsect my faith.

Da. If JW respects people, and JW here have time to read our posts, think about it, before answering, how can you be completely off the mark in answering queations

And

Db. Even more so, hearing honest questions against your faith that have yet to be clarified by JW themselves rather then the internet and non JW bias?

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Carlita, I've known you to be very sweet in your demeanor. We appreciate people like that. I'll try to answer these questions for you later, ok? Unless Deeje can now. Take care.

EDIT: I'd like to ask you two questions. Were there ever times that Jesus got angry? Who was it mostly with?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Carlita, I've known you to be very sweet in your demeanor. We appreciate people like that. I'll try to answer these questions for you later, ok? Unless Deeje can now. Take care.

EDIT: I'd like to ask you two questions. Were there ever times that Jesus got angry? Who was it mostly with?

Thank you. I highly appreciate your words.

I dont have the bible with me and not well versed in scripture anymore. The only place(s) I can think of is his fusing with the pharasis or was it his own people...about continuing to worship as their forebears and not hownhis Father told them at that present moment. The other is when he made that one acclaimation to the devil.

I do think anger is natual. I would assume Jesus has been angry more times than the bible writes. He manages his anger better from biblical context.

 

[Deeje]

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I have one question only. EDIT Okay. So it wasnt one. Sorry bout that.

How do these verses reconcile with

Jesus

1. Being among the sick
2. Eating with his betrayer
3. Dying for sinners
4. Living with sinners
5. Praying with sinners
6. Letting a woman (say Jane) wash Jesus feet
7. Broke bread and gave wine to sinners
8. Told believers "what you do for others, you have done for me" (no excemptions)
9. Being among the people who killed him
10. Dying with a sinner who gave his life to Christ

A. Unless your verses or mine are out of context, how can you love your enemies but disrespect their relationship with Christ?

A person's relationship with God or Christ are their own business. All I am, as I have said many times, is a messenger....one of many. Jesus presented his truth and allowed people to make of it what their hearts told them. If you look at all those things in your list...every one of them, from Jesus' perspective, was with the ability to read hearts and with the express desire to bring them his truth. As "lost sheep" and fellow Jews, every one of them needed him as their shepherd. We have no such ability to discern what is in a person's heart, but we have a duty to tell the same truth that he did. People can take notice or ignore us....Jehovah knows those who belong to him. (2 Tim 2:19)

B. How do you call other denominations part of Christiondom but dont realize the JW is an organization too with the same claim as others who preach in Jesus name?

Jesus said that the "wheat and the weeds" would be growing together in the same field until he sent the angels to gather up the weeds and dispose of them.
It would not be until the harvest time that the difference between them would become apparent. Christendom is identified by its multitude of sects adhering to the same basic doctrines, but disagreeing on most of everything else. Same old same old....the wheat would not resemble the weeds at all at this time. So we were to look for the ones who were different, not the same as the rest. We remember that Jesus said "few" are on the road to life, so these would not be in the majority. (Matt 7:13, 14)

C. Follow the interpretation of the WT without responding instead from Christ (as a ambassador of god)?

The "interpretation" of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses is recognized by us as being in perfect harmony with the entirety of the Bible's teachings. If they weren't, we would not accept them. We are encouraged to check everything out for ourselves, contrary to popular belief. We aren't stupid or gullible. Jesus said we would know the truth when we heard it. We do.

I am not questioning thw JW and the religion. I disagree with them and am more in favor of Othorodox, Catholic claims.

It's all about choice, so you are free to choose whatever your heart directs you to.We will all be where we have placed ourselves when the judgment comes. If we have it all wrong, then we have no one to blame but ourselves.

Im asking JW on this board. I asked similar questions to my JW friends and they didnt disrepsect my faith.

It isn't about disrespecting anyone's faith...its about telling the truth. Some people don't want to hear the truth, they would rather have their ears tickled. (2 Tim 4:1-5)

But just because people don't want to hear it doesn't mean we stop speaking about it. Noah preached to the people of his day for decades, but not a soul believed him until the evidence was swirling around their feet....too late then to jump on board.

Da. If JW respects people, and JW here have time to read our posts, think about it, before answering, how can you be completely off the mark in answering questions

And

Db. Even more so, hearing honest questions against your faith that have yet to be clarified by JW themselves rather then the internet and non JW bias?

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Not sure who these questions are directed to....?

 

[Deeje]

The 14 books that Paul wrote. You gotta be kidding.

Paul was personally chosen by Jesus to take his message to the nations. Saul was a proud Pharisee who humbled himself when Jesus stopped him on the road to Damascus. He was going to persecute more Christians. (Acts 9:1,2) What possible reason could Paul have for his conversion, other than a desire to do the will of his God? He suffered more as a Christian than most of the other apostles. Unlike them, he was well educated and a Roman citizen, which gave him more opportunities than a fisherman might have. His address to the men of Athens is masterful. (Acts 17:22-31) He also wrote more NT scripture than any of the other writers. Your rejecting his words does not invalidate them.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Thank you. My hang ups are more about equitteque in presenting your debates and clarifying your views because how you express your truth from an outsider looks disrespectful. I say that because usually insiders cant see what they say wrong unleas they take a breather. Aome thing stand out to an outsider (both sides).

It would not be until the harvest time that the difference between them would become apparent. Christendom is identified by its multitude of sects adhering to the same basic doctrines, but disagreeing on most of everything else.

Do you see that your faith, the way its structured, matches a lot of how other denominations of christiondom presents their beliefs?

I guess to a Christian the "harvest" statement would have more personal meaning. To me, it sounds like an opinion trying to be stated as fact. Happens a lot on RF.

It isn't about disrespecting anyone's faith...its about telling the truth. Some people don't want to hear the truth, they would rather have their ears tickled. (2 Tim 4:1-5)

On that note above, you must be talking to those who share your faith.

To those who dont, by what method can We Both use to decipher whether our "beliefs" are fact or opinion?

If both you and I devised a method we cant use

The Bible: Its not my authority in how I live life; so, I am at a disadvantage in sharing my beliefs because the method kf varifying them is somethjng We cant agree on.

It cant be

My family's geneology and history (stories, dates, news papers, etc of). Its not your authority and like Christ and I, you dont know my family lile that. So youd be at a disadvantage in using this to varify your beliefs to facts.

As such.

My point: What you are sharing are beliefs not truth. Truth cant be changed. One and one will always be two. Beliefs can.

I think that you need another method of sharing what you say is true.

No offense to you.

I thinkn all RF can learn from this.

I like this quote from Albert Einstein.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

But seriously. Are there other ways you can valite your truth so that we can take them for consideration or find a method both you and a christian agrees on to find communion between you two?

 

[InChrist]

Does it apply when "Christians" teach other "Christians" false doctrines?...because that is what is responsible for the fractured and disunited state of Christendom. (1 Cor 1:10) Protestants can't seem to agree on much except the false doctrines they brought with them from Catholicism in the reformation.
Their foundation is very shaky.

I agree Catholicism has many false teaching, some of these carried over to Protestant churches, and I am not too thrilled to see the divisions within the Christian church. Yet the foundation is in no way shaky for any Christian or church whose foundation is Jesus Christ. The thing about the variety in "Christendom", as you have been conditioned too call it, is that no two Christians or group of believers are at the same place because one's relationship and walk with the Lord is unique and each one matures individually. All true believers agree on the essentials of biblical faith after that there is room for disagreement and maturity in the non-essentials. This allows for the Holy Spirit to work and lead each person or group to maturity in understanding and relationship to the Lord and distinguishes a real living relationship with the Lord from a controlling, cookie-cutter, cult organization.

Christ is already ruling in his kingdom. He gave a "sign of his presence" (not his "coming") because it was not going to be obvious to the world that he was now ruling except for the appalling events happening in the world. (Matt 24:3)

Daniel saw Christ's enthronement in heaven in a vision...he was the only human to actually "see" it, thousands of years before it happened. (Dan 7:13, 14) His whole book was written about "the time of the end"...the time we are living in now. The time when Christ would return and a cleansing and refining of God's people was to take place. (Dan 12:9, 10) We believe that this is 100 years into the fulfillment already.

When Christ's manifestation takes place...that is when "every eye will see him" and everyone will know that he is the King and judge of all mankind. If Christians did not discern Christ's "presence" by the sign he gave, they will not be "doing the will of the Father" during these momentous times and will not be recognized by him as his own. (Matt 7:21-23)


There is also a parallel account in Mark 13:32-37.

In verse 32 of Luke 12, Jesus addresses his disciples a "little flock" and rightly so when we consider that the ones chosen to rule with him in his kingdom were a limited number. All of the first Christians had "the heavenly calling" (Heb 3:1) They were the first to be gathered...but not the only Christians who are saved.

The sign of the last days was to alert Christ's disciples of his presence and to assure them that he was backing the greatest preaching campaign in the history of the world...."and then the end will come".

There really is no where in the scriptures which indicate any kind of an invisible presence of Christ in 1874 or 1914 or that little flock means a limited number. The Watchtower has really put a twist on the way they use those verses to teach such doctrines. It is a very sad thing that you think the appalling events happening in the world today are an indication that Christ is already ruling in His kingdom! I certainly believe things will be better, not appalling under His rule!

I know who is fulfilling the role assigned for this slave. I am happy to sit at his table and know that this brotherhood is united globally, preaching one message to all the world as he said they would.

Christendom is doing very little in the way of obeying the teachings of Jesus Christ. When they want to break a command, they justify it and feel no remorse. I know because I was part of all that once. I could never go back to that lost and hypocritical system.

I don't know what kind of system you were in, but you must never have known the living God if you were looking to people or a system for perfection in the first place. Many believers in Jesus Christ, are trusting Him completely as their Savior, as the scriptures say and obeying His teachings. I am sorry you still seem to be looking to a system and prefer to place you faith in an organization of men rather than the one and only Savior revealed in the scriptures.

 

[Deeje]

Thank you. My hang ups are more about equitteque in presenting your debates and clarifying your views because how you express your truth from an outsider looks disrespectful. I say that because usually insiders cant see what they say wrong unleas they take a breather. Aome thing stand out to an outsider (both sides).

You know, having to tip toe around people is not really an Aussie way to communicate. Sorry if that directness is taken the wrong way. Jesus also presented his truth without tip toeing around people. If they were easily offended, then that was their problem. He did not withhold the truth because he though he might offend someone. So "etiquette" is something I am not terribly concerned with. The truth moves the right hearts and some people don't like the truth because it means they have to do something about it ...and they don't want to.They will justify their way out of anything they don't like.
That is their choice.

Do you see that your faith, the way its structured, matches a lot of how other denominations of christiondom presents their beliefs?

Having come out of Christendom, I see no similarity whatsoever with any other church's teachings.

I guess to a Christian the "harvest" statement would have more personal meaning. To me, it sounds like an opinion trying to be stated as fact. Happens a lot on RF.

Opinions are a dime a dozen...we all have them, but the Bible is not an opinion. It requires interpretation and God facilitates this, giving his truth to those who really want it without compromise. No one will understand a thing unless it is granted by the Father. (John 6:44) That is how he keeps out those whom Paul describes in 2 Thess 2:9-12. You have to love the truth

by what method can We Both use to decipher whether our "beliefs" are fact or opinion?

There is no method because it isn't up to us. The truth is the truth...it doesn't come in shades or versions...it is one truth and we all have the same opportunity to accept it or reject it.

The Bible: Its not my authority in how I live life; so, I am at a disadvantage in sharing my beliefs because the method of varifying them is somethjng We cant agree on.

No common ground means we have nothing to share. So be it. Neither of us can do much about that.

My point: What you are sharing are beliefs not truth. Truth cant be changed.

I agree. But my truth is not your truth. We will just have to wait and see what happens, won't we?

I think that you need another method of sharing what you say is true.

I don't believe I do. I am not here to butter people up or to sweet talk them...I am here to offer a belief as truth, which I believe has consequences. I can't force people to listen just as Jesus didn't. He offered his truth and people could either take it or leave it. If you want to reject the message I offer...that is your privilege.

I like this quote from Albert Einstein.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

I think that is very true, but it doesn't apply to the preaching work that Jesus told his disciples to keep doing right up to the end. (Matt 24:14)

In ancient times, God did not give up trying to warn his people to change their ways either....like these words of Jeremiah...

Jer 25:3, 4:
"these 23 years, the word of Jehovah has come to me, and I kept speaking to you again and again, but you would not listen. 4 And Jehovah sent all his servants the prophets to you, sending them again and again, but you would not listen or incline your ear to hear.

If people don't want to listen to God's messengers, they can't blame God for not trying to correct them. As with all the other times in Bible history, God's patience ran out.

But seriously. Are there other ways you can valite your truth so that we can take them for consideration or find a method both you and a christian agrees on to find communion between you two?

What other ways can there be to sound a warning? We go from house to house to ensure that no one is missed. We preach God's message on the streets and make Bible literature available free of charge to help people understand what the scriptures teach. I don't think we need to do more than what we are already doing. There will never be a watering down of the truth to suit the sensibilities of those easily offended.

 

[blue taylor]

You know, having to tip toe around people is not really an Aussie way to communicate. Sorry if that directness is taken the wrong way. Jesus also presented his truth without tip toeing around people. If they were easily offended, then that was their problem. He did not withhold the truth because he though he might offend someone. So "etiquette" is something I am not terribly concerned with. The truth moves the right hearts and some people don't like the truth because it means they have to do something about it ...and they don't want to.They will justify their way out of anything they don't like.
That is their choice.



Having come out of Christendom, I see no similarity whatsoever with any other church's teachings.



Opinions are a dime a dozen...we all have them, but the Bible is not an opinion. It requires interpretation and God facilitates this, giving his truth to those who really want it without compromise. No one will understand a thing unless it is granted by the Father. (John 6:44) That is how he keeps out those whom Paul describes in 2 Thess 2:9-12. You have to love the truth



There is no method because it isn't up to us. The truth is the truth...it doesn't come in shades or versions...it is one truth and we all have the same opportunity to accept it or reject it.


No common ground means we have nothing to share. So be it. Neither of us can do much about that.


I agree. But my truth is not your truth. We will just have to wait and see what happens, won't we?



I don't believe I do. I am not here to butter people up or to sweet talk them...I am here to offer a belief as truth, which I believe has consequences. I can't force people to listen just as Jesus didn't. He offered his truth and people could either take it or leave it. If you want to reject the message I offer...that is your privilege.



I think that is very true, but it doesn't apply to the preaching work that Jesus told his disciples to keep doing right up to the end. (Matt 24:14)

In ancient times, God did not give up trying to warn his people to change their ways either....like these words of Jeremiah...

Jer 25:3, 4:
"these 23 years, the word of Jehovah has come to me, and I kept speaking to you again and again, but you would not listen. 4 And Jehovah sent all his servants the prophets to you, sending them again and again, but you would not listen or incline your ear to hear.

If people don't want to listen to God's messengers, they can't blame God for not trying to correct them. As with all the other times in Bible history, God's patience ran out.



What other ways can there be to sound a warning? We go from house to house to ensure that no one is missed. We preach God's message on the streets and make Bible literature available free of charge to help people understand what the scriptures teach. I don't think we need to do more than what we are already doing. There will never be a watering down of the truth to suit the sensibilities of those easily offended.

"They will justify their way out of anything they don't like."
The JW way exactly. Whatever the watchtower tells them to do. Water it down. Change the NT to suit your own theology. Does any JW tell the watchtower they are wrong? If not, why? Why is Watchtower right and everybody else wrong? They are not. Unless they can convince ignorant people otherwise. Easy to do. When you recruit the ignorant, you get what you deserve. Ignorance.

 

[savagewind]

A person's relationship with God or Christ are their own business. All I am, as I have said many times, is a messenger....one of many. Jesus presented his truth and allowed people to make of it what their hearts told them. If you look at all those things in your list...every one of them, from Jesus' perspective, was with the ability to read hearts and with the express desire to bring them his truth. As "lost sheep" and fellow Jews, every one of them needed him as their shepherd. We have no such ability to discern what is in a person's heart, but we have a duty to tell the same truth that he did. People can take notice or ignore us....Jehovah knows those who belong to him. 2 Timothy 2:19

Jehovah's Witnesses do not teach that a person putting faith in Jesus Christ turns away from wickedness. What you REALLY and TRUELY teach is that a person putting faith in Jesus Christ attaches himself to the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. Let's stick to the facts.

 

[savagewind]

The "interpretation" of the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses is recognized by us as being in perfect harmony with the entirety of the Bible's teachings. If they weren't, we would not accept them. We are encouraged to check everything out for ourselves, contrary to popular belief. We aren't stupid or gullible. Jesus said we would know the truth when we heard it. We do.

Deeje, You have not checked out Hebrews 13:17 yet, like you say you, "check everything out". You are not LYING, are you?
You made it appear that you found your cross references but really, did you? What you gave us is other translations of the same scripture. That is not what cross-referencing means. I think you know that. I am asking for what other Bible wisdom says we are to obey men for what we think about?

 

[savagewind]

I have proof that interpretations made by the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT all, "in perfect harmony with the entirety of the Bible's teachings". I do believe that all convention dramas are recorded so I shall look it up.
I know the Bible at least as well as most Jehovah's Witnesses. I was sitting respectful is as possible at one of their conventions watching a drama that is approved by the governing body as ALL words spoken at conventions must be approved byJehovah and the governing body.
The drama was about the days of Noah. One character was a woman that was chosen by an angel to have sex with. I am not going to talk about the possibility that Genesis 6:2 does not say what they say it says. This is about the interpretation of the heart-felt feelings of the women.
OK. IF the account is true that angels became men with real sperm to have sex with the women I am as certain as I can be that what happened (according to some wayward Bible interpreters) was not happy sex. I think today most educated people would call it, "rape".
But the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses fashioned one woman in the drama happy as can be that she was chosen by an angel for sex.
Look it up! I am not making this up.
Let's stick to the facts please.

So there I was sitting and when I saw that, my jaw dropped and I looked around at all the faces and what I saw was surely scary. What? It looked like to me that they ate it up! It is NOT in the bible how any woman felt about the days of Noah.
That might have been the real beginning of the end for me. OK?

 

[savagewind]

You keep forgetting that I can "HEAR" you. JWs say they know that, "every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time." Genesis 6:5 so they have fashioned silly, stupid women as though every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time means silly and stupid.
But they have not considered that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time might have nothing to do criminal behavior.
All it takes for this, every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time, is to turn away from the living God. We can see that people who have turned away from the living God can be very fine, upstanding people who almost never sin. Can't we PLEASE stick to the facts?

 

[savagewind]

https://download-a.akamaihd.net/files/media_video/84/ivno_E_r240P.mp4
The governing body of Jheovah's Witnesses interpret what the women were in Noah's day, "pretty". That is incorrect.
http://biblehub.com/hebrew/2896.htm
So? It makes a difference. I am sure. Pretty is what a person looks like from the outside. Evil can be and is pretty. The word which is written at Genesis 6:2 carries the idea that the women were "good in the widest sense". A woman lacking in physical beauty can certainly be
טֹבֹ֖ת
I will tell you the difference seeing that your gb will not allow you to think different than they. If the message is the women looked pretty then what's the big deal about having sex with them? BUT if the women were what the Bible says they were then taking them means they are being taken away from their good course. See? And the woman in the next film doesn't fit the word. I think that according to JW going away from the Word is a sin whose punishment is everlasting destruction.

 

[savagewind]

From about the five-minute mark
The governing body making stuff up evidence.

 

[savagewind]

What is the fact? It is being taught that the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses may make things up that are not in harmony with the spirit of the Bible and they are chosen by Almighty God Jehovah to dwell with Jehovah forever but if someone other than the governing body differs in their opinion of what the "Bible really teaches" then that person will suffer a terrible death and his name will be removed from the Book of Life. That means he will die an everlasting death.
So? Why not talk about the facts?

It is not a fact. But it is a fact that it is being taught that way and it is a fact that some people believe it that way.
So it appears that they are making a lie into a fact times two. Or maybe times as many gullible people there are. That's a lot! Can a mighty stupid thing exist without affecting something else?

 

[savagewind]

Fact: Whenever anyone leaves the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses it is said of them that they have left Jehovah.
I want to talk about that fact.

 

[InChrist]

So there I was sitting and when I saw that, my jaw dropped and I looked around at all the faces and what I saw was surely scary. What? It looked like to me that they ate it up! It is NOT in the bible how any woman felt about the days of Noah.
That might have been the real beginning of the end for me. OK?

I so appreciate your experiences and thank you sharing your incredible testimony. It reminds me of exactly how I felt when in the Mormon temple watching the drama that was shown there. It was different than the drama you saw about the days of Noah, but no less scary and bizarre. I was in shock. In my spirit I knew there was no possible way the story being presented was of or from God or the Bible. I looked around at everyone else to see if anyone may have felt as I did, but everyone looked so completely immersed and mesmerized in the drama. I knew then that once I got out of the temple I would never set foot in one again. Never did and it was the beginning of the end for me concerning Mormonism, although it took another few years to finally be completely free. I find it very interesting and telling that all controlling groups have so much in common.