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The Islamic State has infiltrated airports, metro stations, etc.

Kirran

Premium Member
It's a strict Islamic movement originated from the previously known Kingdom of Najd, the currently Central Area of the country. It got adopted by the govt. and used all over the country when the rest of it was unified. It typically takes the strict choices of the four schools of the the currently know Sunnah sect, and from Islamic teachings in general. I can't talk much about it to not attract attention to myself.

Yeah, I know! Sorry man, I was just responding to Crypto's post on 'the ideology behind IS' - sorry to be unclear.

I am sure you are a very strict orthodox Wahhabi. ;)
 

Kirran

Premium Member
You know me very very well then :D

Purely theoretically speaking of course, if you were a supporter of something like marriage between Muslim women and non-Muslim men, or gay marriage, or secularism, would you be able to talk about that online, or would it not be cool for a KSA-resident?
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Ismail ibn Kathir (Arabic: ابن كثير‎, born c. 1300, died 1373) was a highly influential Sunni scholar of the Shafi'i school during the Mamluk rule of Syria, an expert on tafsir (Quranic exegesis) and faqīh (jurisprudence) as well as a historian.[8][9] Al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani said about him, “Ibn Kathir worked on the subject of the Hadith in the texts (متون) and chains of narrators (رجال). He had a good memory, his books became popular during his lifetime, and people benefited from them after his death.”[10]

Ibn Kathir wrote a famous commentary on the Qur'an named Tafsīr al-Qurʾān al-ʿaẓīm which linked certain Hadith, or sayings of Muhammad, and sayings of the sahaba to verses of the Qur'an, in explanation. It is considered to be a summary of the earlier tafsir by al-Tabari, Tafsir al-Tabari. It is especially popular because it uses the hadith to explain each verse and chapter of the Qur'an.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Kathir

Why you need ibn Kathir or others to understand simple statements in the quran?

Lesley Hazleton had read and studied the quran and understood it better than your hero Ibn Kathir.

 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Purely theoretically speaking of course, if you were a supporter of something like marriage between Muslim women and non-Muslim men, or gay marriage, or secularism, would you be able to talk about that online, or would it not be cool for a KSA-resident?

Gays don't exist in Saudi Arabia and even seldom in the Muslim world, so it isn't an issue of concern
compared to the huge number of gays in some other nations.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Gays don't exist in Saudi Arabia and even seldom in the Muslim world, so it isn't an issue of concern
compared to the huge number of gays in some other nations.

Apparently actually Riyadh has a big underground gay scene. If you get seen hanging out with your boyfriend, nobody's any the wiser, but you can't be seen with a young woman.

Biologically speaking, homosexuality is at the same rate among all humans, regardless of repression and identification.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Apparently actually Riyadh has a big underground gay scene. If you get seen hanging out with your boyfriend, nobody's any the wiser, but you can't be seen with a young woman.

Biologically speaking, homosexuality is at the same rate among all humans, regardless of repression and identification.

Not true, i lived in some other nations and i saw the gays, you can know them from the way they speak,
the way they walk, the way they look at men, but i never saw such kind of men in the muslim world but
few and seldom cases who have biological problem then they are regarded as females if proven to be so.
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
Purely theoretically speaking of course, if you were a supporter of something like marriage between Muslim women and non-Muslim men, or gay marriage, or secularism, would you be able to talk about that online, or would it not be cool for a KSA-resident?

I admit that I cannot support those ways (I don't mean the people tho). However, giving support is a personal choice and what really matters is that I don't demonize, terrorize and show disrespect to who supports it or is part of it. I made gay and transgender friends who I really love and respect and accept them for who they are, and I respect rules of secular communities when I visit them. Imposing one's beliefs on others is wrong.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
I admit that I cannot support those ways (I don't mean the people tho). However, giving support is a personal choice and what really matters is that I don't demonize, terrorize and show disrespect to who supports it or is part of it. I made gay and transgender friends who I really love and respect and accept them for who they are, and I respect rules of secular communities when I visit them. Imposing one's beliefs on others is wrong.

I get and respect that - I just meant as regards KSA's censoring and freedom of speech stuff.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Not true, i lived in some other nations and i saw the gays, you can know them from the way they speak,
the way they walk, the way they look at men, but i never saw such kind of men in the muslim world but
few and seldom cases who have biological problem then they are regarded as females if proven to be so.

'Camp' =/= gay.
 

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
No. Violent Christians are not violent because of their interpretation of the Bible. They find their ideas somewhere else (not in the Bible). By the way, Christians are never intolerant towards gays. We consider homosexuality to be a sin, but we do not endorse violence against homosexuals. Anyone who does that is ignoring all of the teachings of Christ.
You are just wonderful!!! Can I call you Jesus or Father in Heavens?
Homosexuality is a sin but not the homosexuals!! You are just wonderful.

Pls try to leave your home as much as you can avoid so that the least will be enlightened by your wonderful ideas.

And of course ,I should say; Amen!
 

Smart_Guy

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Premium Member
You are just wonderful!!! Can I call you Jesus or Father in Heavens?
Homosexuality is a sin but not the homosexuals!! You are just wonderful.

Pls try to leave your home as much as you can avoid so that the least will be enlightened by your wonderful ideas.

And of course ,I should say; Amen!

I think he means being homosexual by nature vs. doing the homosexual intercourse.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
you can know them from the way they speak,
the way they walk, the way they look at men
Some you can. But many you can't.
but i never saw such kind of men in the muslim world
They are there, they do exist, and you probably even may know some (who may or may not be out for obvious reasons).
but
few and seldom cases who have biological problem then they are regarded as females if proven to be so.
Homosexuality and gender dysphoria are two totally different issues. Gay men are not women, and trans-women are not gay men.
 

Crypto2015

Active Member
You are just wonderful!!! Can I call you Jesus or Father in Heavens?
Homosexuality is a sin but not the homosexuals!! You are just wonderful.

Pls try to leave your home as much as you can avoid so that the least will be enlightened by your wonderful ideas.

And of course ,I should say; Amen!

Heavy drinking is a sin. However, I don't go around punching drunkards.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
I tried to understand what you were saying, but you are wrong. The New Testament NEVER condones violence. It follows that anyone who condones violence is acting against the teachings of Christ. Regarding homosexuality, the Bible makes it absolutely clear that homosexuality is a sin. Those who think otherwise base their world view not on the Bible, but on the current understanding of what right and wrong are. They believe that the goal of the Bible is to create a better society. They believe this because they do NOT believe that the Bible is the word of God. I know this because I know about clerics in Europe that are being discriminated by their superiors simply because they believe that the Bible is the word of God. In many churches, most priests and pastors do not even believe in God. They think that the church is just a social movement and that Jesus was a social reformer.

I do find it interesting (and agreeable) that you say NT never condones violence, yet resort to 'bible' when noting homosexuality is a sin, implying to me that you are only coming from OT (or Paul's writings) on this point. Where in NT is it up to man to judge sin? For, I am sure I can find passage in NT that say this is not up to any person. Where in NT (particularly gospel) does Jesus bring up homosexuality? All asked rhetorically, cause I feel fairly confident in how you are likely to respond, with strong reliance on OT to make your judgment against the homosexuality sin firmly established, seemingly ignoring that NT (particularly gospel) would strongly advise otherwise.

I bring all this up, realizing that homosexuality is a bit off topic, but to say that if you are going to compare NT (particularly gospel) to say Islamic teachings/scripture when it is convenient to depict matters of violence that really seems like hypocrisy in the way you bring up homosexuality as if NT (gospel) has ever condoned viewing homosexuality as a sin, when clearly it has not. Find that passage, please. Whereas if we take OT/NT together, I'm fairly certain we can make a case that god does condone violence against a whole bunch of people, but namely non-believers or those who strike first.

I emphasize gospel because it still blows my mind that a murderer of Christians is considered nearly equal in fatherhood of Christianity, but alas that is the normative view.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
They don't. According to Islam both the Old and New Testaments have been corrupted. This is very, very, very basic Islam.
No, actually they are supposed to read the texts because they contain the teachings of Allah's prophets. Even Jesus is considered a prophet in Islam.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Yes, the same ideas. I remember the state of the size of France that the Christian Zionist pre-tribulation guys created in 2005. I remember how many people they beheaded and how they uploaded the beheading videos to Youtube because they knew that thousands of Christians from all over the world would see how in line with the teachings of Christ the executions were. Those crafty Christian Zionist pre-tribulation guys knew that by showing videos of executions they would radicalise thousands of Christian. Things turned out just as they expected: thousands of Christians from the most developed nations in the world flock en masse to the newly created Christian Zionist pre-tribulation state, hoping to behead some non-Christian before the cameras. Oh, I remember how those Christians blew up the metro in London, the train station in Madrid, two huge buildings in Buenos Aires, and two tall towers in New York. It is a pity that no one linked their actions to Christianity and insisted on saying that they had hijacked Christianity. They even created the word Christianism to avoid linking the terrorism to Christianity.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012...rile-them-up-to-justify-war-against-iran.html
http://www.globalministries.org/mee_resources_christian_zionism_koshy
 
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