No Chess in islam.

[Smart_Guy]

Yes I realize that, but I am an open minded person, I see past the crap of anything that is given too me, so yes I will be very interested in anything you have for me, if you want to PM me, that's fine.

It's okay, ask me anywhere any place. I don't mind.

 

[psychoslice]

It's okay, ask me anywhere any place. I don't mind.

Thank you, you as a Muslim do give me much hope, I am glade I know you.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Thank you, you as a Muslim do give me much hope, I am glade I know you.

I'm glad I know me too

Specially when I look in the mirror

 

[psychoslice]

You wont believe that once I wanted to become a Muslim, by speaking the words,
I testify “La ilaha illa Allah, Muhammad rasoolu Allah.”, I truly did, but I chickened out lol.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Oh, that's new to me.

What made you think to want that? And what made you back of (chicken out)? If you don't mind me asking.

 

[psychoslice]

Oh, that's new to me.

What made you think to want that? And what made you back of (chicken out)? If you don't mind me asking.

I think it was because of all the hype about the religion being so aggressive, I even heard that Mahmud didn't like Christians and Jews, so he made his own religion ??.

 

[psychoslice]

So you can see or have some understanding why I don't like religion, its just too complicated, if there was a god I'm sure he would never make it all so complicated, it would just be simple, everyone would know what he wanted.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I think it was because of all the hype about the religion being so aggressive, I even heard that Mahmud didn't like Christians and Jews, so he made his own religion ??.

Hmm.. religion can be aggressive, yes.

But I don't see Muhammad (pbuh) hated Christians and Jews. He actually married a Christian woman (not sure if she converted after the marriage). He did have conflicts with them, but I believe it was not out of hatred.

 

[Smart_Guy]

So you can see or have some understanding why I don't like religion, its just too complicated, if there was a god I'm sure he would never make it all so complicated, it would just be simple, everyone would know what he wanted.

Yes, I understand that and respect it.

I hope one day all just get along.

 

[psychoslice]

Hmm.. religion can be aggressive, yes.

But I don't see Muhammad (pbuh) hated Christians and Jews. He actually married a Christian woman (not sure if she converted after the marriage). He did have conflicts with them, but I believe it was not out of hatred.

Yes I don't really know what to believe in, you have your own beliefs, as I do, but what is truly right and what is truly wrong ?, hell it could be anything, if there was a true God then why would he put us into such a dilemma, wouldn't he simple tell us all what is truth, no he doesn't, does he ?.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Hmm.. religion can be aggressive, yes.

But I don't see Muhammad (pbuh) hated Christians and Jews. He actually married a Christian woman (not sure if she converted after the marriage). He did have conflicts with them, but I believe it was not out of hatred.

ahhhh
who he slaughter of 500 Jews in one day ??How do you explain the verse Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor forbid what God and His Messenger, nor condemn the religion of truth from those who were given the book until they pay tribute out of hand and they are submissive (29))

Do you think that this verse is the message of love and peace to which they believe the book before Muhammad ???
It is a message of hatred, my friend
Muhammad hated Jews and Christians

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Hmm.. religion can be aggressive, yes.

But I don't see Muhammad (pbuh) hated Christians and Jews. He actually married a Christian woman (not sure if she converted after the marriage). He did have conflicts with them, but I believe it was not out of hatred.

You are a Saudi living in Mecca
The story of Maria the Coptic and do not know ???
Is it from the mothers of the believers ???
My friend Mohammed slaughter of Jews
Also know the enmity of the People of the Book
And the idolaters
And continuing hostility to the Day of Resurrection
I hope that gives us the words of the Koran as they are

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Yes I don't really know what to believe in, you have your own beliefs, as I do, but what is truly right and what is truly wrong ?, hell it could be anything, if there was a true God then why would he put us into such a dilemma, wouldn't he simple tell us all what is truth, no he doesn't, does he ?

Hide information means the official dissimulation

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Fatwas Saudi scientists presented their position on the Arts
That's personal position does not mean anything
What is important is the jurists

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Thank you, you as a Muslim do give me much hope, I am glade I know you.

You can not look to the Koran, and personal individual attitudes
Islam is the Koran and Mohammed

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Why do you think they feel the way they do, is it because of the frustration of realizing, that many people throughout the world are beginning to hate them, like no one likes been hated ?.

Hatred of the teachings of the Koran
It is called descriptions inappropriate Jews ???
And he asked to fight the Jews and the Christians and the Pagans
It is the teachings of the Koran, my friend

 

[Smart_Guy]

Yes I don't really know what to believe in, you have your own beliefs, as I do, but what is truly right and what is truly wrong ?, hell it could be anything, if there was a true God then why would he put us into such a dilemma, wouldn't he simple tell us all what is truth, no he doesn't, does he ?.

Yes, I agree with you on the God not telling us everything. Even I do find this problematic and it bothers me, by the way. I however personally think in this specific matter that we are the one at fault for not correctly recording such history. I believe that God is not suppose to baby sit us and magically send the information to our minds about such matters.

I do get you point and honestly see that it does make sense.

ahhhh
who he slaughter of 500 Jews in one day ??How do you explain the verse Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor forbid what God and His Messenger, nor condemn the religion of truth from those who were given the book until they pay tribute out of hand and they are submissive (29))

Do you think that this verse is the message of love and peace to which they believe the book before Muhammad ???
It is a message of hatred, my friend
Muhammad hated Jews and Christians

You mean the Jews that betrayed the Muslims three times, including the attempts to assassinate Muhammad, and that the Jews actually told Muhammad to follow their own Jewish rules at the time in delivering the sentence? Yes, I believe you mean them. And that was a specific case with those Jews, not with all Jews. That would never ever mean that Muhammad hated the Jews. It is common sense.

You are a Saudi living in Mecca
The story of Maria the Coptic and do not know ???
Is it from the mothers of the believers ???
My friend Mohammed slaughter of Jews
Also know the enmity of the People of the Book
And the idolaters
And continuing hostility to the Day of Resurrection
I hope that gives us the words of the Koran as they are

Those are just your beliefs that you decided to believe in.

And, no need to use tricky words like slaughtering to replace the word execution. There is a difference.

 

[morphesium]

Why can't you understand the obvious that Islam does not forbid all arts as you are claiming?

Agreed that Islam does not forbid all arts - but why is it forbidding some arts??? What are they and for what reason?

Some kind of instruments (stringed ones i guess) are forbidden in Islam - we now can make those sounds in an electronic synthesizer, something that didn't exist during the times of Prophet Mohammed. So what about these?

Moreover, there are very many kind of arts that Koran that it would have failed to mention (even its categories) - what about them?

 

[Smart_Guy]

Agreed that Islam does not forbid all arts - but why is it forbidding some arts??? What are they and for what reason?

Some kind of instruments (stringed ones i guess) are forbidden in Islam - we now can make those sounds in an electronic synthesizer, something that didn't exist during the times of Prophet Mohammed. So what about these?

Moreover, there are very many kind of arts that Koran that it would have failed to mention (even its categories) - what about them?

Yes, I don't deny that there are possible forbidden arts in them selves. A member seems to insists that art per se is forbidden in Islam, so I went thru all that.

Those are good questions actually, and quite honestly I don't know the answers. I really don't know why those are forbidden, or rather, I'm not even sure if they really are forbidden for sure.

You do bring a good point in synthesizing instruments. If they are really forbidden, I'd like to know why. I really wonder if it is the actual real life instrument play or if there is something in its sound? It's really a mystery for me.

However, if they are forbidden indeed, they are not penalized neither in this life nor the after life (as far as I know) and I believe it is generally a complete personal choice to do them. I personally listen to all kinds of instrumentals but if I know someone around me doesn't like it, I'd turn it off out of respect.

I couldn't get what you mean in the last line. Could you please paraphrase (rephrase) it?

 

[morphesium]

Yes, I don't deny that there are possible forbidden arts in them selves. A member seems to insists that art per se is forbidden in Islam, so I went thru all that.

Those are good questions actually, and quite honestly I don't know the answers. I really don't know why those are forbidden, or rather, I'm not even sure if they really are forbidden for sure.

You do bring a good point in synthesizing instruments. If they are really forbidden, I'd like to know why. I really wonder if it is the actual real life instrument play or if there is something in its sound? It's really a mystery for me.

However, if they are forbidden indeed, they are not penalized neither in this life nor the after life (as far as I know) and I believe it is generally a complete personal choice to do them. I personally listen to all kinds of instrumentals but if I know someone around me doesn't like it, I'd turn it off out of respect.

I couldn't get what you mean in the last line. Could you please paraphrase (rephrase) it?

I appreciate your honesty and your courtesy.

"Moreover, there are very many kind of arts that Koran that it would have failed to mention (even its categories) - what about them?"

If we are watching animated movies in which some inanimate objects are characters - we are not watching any artists (man/woman) performing. This form of art is never mentioned in Koran (as movies are just around 125 or so years old). Computer video games are not mentioned in koran. Computer games being multi-disciplinary, some characters that one interacts with would be done by real life actors/ or completely software related, It might be artificial intelligence that is creating music, etc. Moreover, computer games are often prescribed to improve skills in real life. So people playing computer games are actually sharpening some of their skills - and not wasting time. So how does Koran deal with these?