Gaudiya Vaishnavism queries and discussion thread.

[Aupmanyav]

To me is trying to simplify things too too much,Sri Krishna is not simple to understand, he has many complexities, why then should we assume that he has only one consort, why can she not also have many moods and forms of appearance?

Yes, all those who marry Lord Vishnu or his avataras are Mother Laxmi only, whatever be the form or name. The Lord is 'eka-patni vrati' (monogamist). Many wives are just illusions. She has all his power. Will she allow daliance with any other?

 

[निताइ dasa]

mugdham mam nigadantu niti-nipuna bhrantam muhur vaidikah
mandam bandhava-sancaya jada-dhiyam muktadarah sodarah
unmattam viveka-chaturah kamam maha-dambhikam
moktum na kshamate manag api mano govinda-pada-spriham

"Let the sharp moralist accuse me of being illusioned; I do not mind. Experts in Vedic activities may slander me as being misled, friends and relatives may call me frustrated, my brothers may call me a fool, the wealthy mammonites may point me out as mad, and the learned philosophers may assert that I am much too proud; still my mind does not budge an inch from the determination to serve the lotus feet of Govinda, even though I am not qualified" —Shri Madhavendra Puri

 

[निताइ dasa]

na dhyato ‘si na kirtito ‘si na manag aradhito ‘si prabho
no janmantara-gocare tava padambhoje ca bhaktih krita
tenaham bahu-duhkha-bhajanataya prapto dasham idrshim
tvam karunya-nidhe vidhehi karunam shri-krishna dine mayi

"O Lord, in this birth I have not meditated on You, glorified You, even slightly worshiped You, or developed any devotion for Your lotus feet. That is why I suffer in this condition. I am very poor and fallen. O Shri Krishna, O ocean of mercy, please be compassionate on me" —Shri Shankaracharya

 

[निताइ dasa]

sada sarvatraste nanu vimalam adyam tava padam
tathapy ekam stokam na hi bhava-taroh patram abhinat
kshanam jihva-grastam tava tu bhagavan nama nikhilam
sa-mulam samsaram kasati katarat sevyam anayoh

"O Lord, is Your impersonal spiritual effulgence not always present everywhere? Even so, it has not been able to break even a single small leaf from the tree of repeated birth and death. On the other hand, the moment Your holy name is taken by the tongue it thoroughly shatters the tree of birth and death down to it’s roots. Of these two (the spiritual effulgence or the holy name), which should be served?"-Srila Sridhara Swami

 

[ratikala]

Namaskaram Shivsomashekha ji

The issue here is these common scriptures, never once include Chaitanya, Swami Narayan and Sai Baba in the list of Vishnu avatars. Not one of them do. This is why any scriptural evidence you may provide by interpreting verses in isolation or by claiming he was hidden until his arrival do not make compelling arguments.

I do not care to enter in to the Debate about Swami Narayan , nor about Sai Baba , ......but only to remove all doubt over the question of Sri Krsna Chaitanya , ......

But the argument between young folowers of followers of Sri Madhvacarya who challenged the Gaudiya siddhanta , and Gaudiyas raged long enough , and was some years ago put to rest by the refutals below , folowing this ugly incident Senior followers of Madhavacharya then glorified Srila Prabhupada for his accheivements , ....

first they quoted from Sruti then from the puranas , ....here I list but a few although I am tempted to post all , ...so that we might put an end to this ugly wrangling , ....

itotham krta sannyaso'vatarisyami sa-guno nirvedo
niskamo bhu-girvanas tira-atho' lakanandayah kalau
catuh-sahasrabdhopari panca-sahasrabhyantare
gaura-varno dirghangah sarva-laksana-yukta isvara-
prarthito nija-rasasvado bhakta-rupo misrakhyo
vidita-yogah syam


I will descend on the earth after the passage of four thousand years in the Kali-Age, and before the passsage of five thousand years. I will come on the earth on the bank of the Ganges,. I will be a tall and saintly brahmana devotee. I will have all the auspicious symptoms of an exalted person. I will exhibit renunciation. I will have all auspicious signs. I will be a devotee, practicing bhakti-yoga. I will taste the rasa of My own devotional service. (Atharva Veda)


saptame gaura-varna-visnor ity aena sva-saktya
caikyam etya pratar avatirya saha svaih sva-manum siksayati​

In the seventh manvantara, in the beginning of the Kali-Yuga, the Supreme Personality of Godhead will, accompanied by His own associates, descend in a golden form to the earth. He will teach the chanting of His own names.
(Atharva-Veda Purusa-Bodhini-Upanisad 8)


tathaham krta sannyaso bhu-girvano 'vatarisye
tire'lakanandayah punah punah isvara-prarthitah sa-
parivaro niralambo nirdhuteh kali-kalmasa-kavalita-
janavalambanaya
I shall come to the earth, accompanied by My associates, in a place by the bank of the Ganges. I will advent to save the people who are afflicted and devoured by the sins of the age of Kali. I will manifest as an avadhuta Brahmana sannyasi. (Sama Veda)


mahan prabhur vai purusah
sattvasyaisa pravartakah
su-nirmalam imam praptim
isano jyotir avyayah

The Supreme Personality of Godhead is Mahaprabhu, who disseminates transcendental enlightenment. Just to be in touch with Him is to be in contact with the indestructible Brahmajyoti. (Svetasvatara Upanisad 3.12) ​

yada pasyah pasyate rukma-varnam
kartaram isam purusam brahma-yonim

One who sees that golden-colored Personality of Godhead, the Supreme Lord, the supreme actor, who is the source of the Supreme Brahman, is liberated. (Mundaka Upanisad 3.1.3)

asan varnas trayo hyasya
grhnato’nuygam tanuh
suklo raktastatha pita
idanim krsnatam gatah​

"This boy Krsna, has three other colors: white, red and yellow as He appears in different ages. Now, in this Dvapara-yuga, He has appeared in a transcendental blackish color." (Srimad Bhagavatam 10.8.13) ​

dhyeyam sada paribhava-ghnam abhista-doham
tirthaspadam siva-virinci-nutam saranyam
bhrtyarti-ham pranata-pala bhavabdhi-potam
vande maha-purusa te caranaravindam

We offer our respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Him, the Lord, upon whom one should always meditate. He destroys insults to His devotees. He removes the distresses of His devotees and satisfies their desires. He, the abode of all holy places and the shelter of all sages, is worshipable by Lord Siva and Lord Brahma. He is the boat of the demigods for crossing the ocean of birth and death. (Srimad Bhagavatam. 11.5.33)

tyaktva sudustyaja-surepsita-rajya-laksmim
dharmistha arya-vacasa yad agad aranyam
maya-mrgam dayitayepsitam anvadhavad
vande maha-purusa te caranaravindam

"We offer our respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of the Lord, upon whom one should always meditate. He left His householder life, leaving aside His eternal consort, whom even the denizens of heaven adore. He went into the forest to deliver the fallen souls, who are put into illusion by material energy." (Srimad Bhagavatam. 11.5.34)
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[ratikala]

krsna varnam tvisa krsnam
sangopangastra parsadam
yajnaih sankirtanam-prayair
yajanti hi sumedhasah
​

"In the age of Kali, Krsna appears in a golden form, chanting the two syllables krs-na. He descends along with His weapons, saktis, limbs, and eternal confidential associates. Those with intelligence worship Him with the sankirtana yajna.
(1) (Srimad Bhagavatam 11.5.32)
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ittham nr-tiryag-rsi-deva-jhasavatarair
lokan vibhavayasi hamsi jagat-pratipan
dharmam maha-purusa pasi yuganuvrttam
channah kalau yad abhavas tri-yugo ’tha sa tvam
​

"My Lord, You kill all the enemies of the world in Your multifarious incarnations in the families of men, animals, demigods, rsis, aquatics and so on. Thus You illuminate the worlds with transcendental knowledge. In the Age of Kali, O Mahapurusa, You sometimes appear in a covered incarnation. Therefore You are known as Tri-yuga [one who appears in only three yugas]." (Srimad Bhagavatam. 7.9.38)
​

aham eva dvija-srestha
nityam pracchana-vigrahah
bhagavad-bhakta-rupena
lokan raksami sarvada
​

"O best of the brahmanas, My disguised form is eternal. In this way, with My own form hidden from ordinary sight I take the form of a devotee and appear among the people in general in order to establish and protect religious principles." (Adi Purana)


aham eva kvacid brahman
sannyasa asramam asritah
hari bhaktim grahayami
kalau papa-hatan naran


‘O Brahmana, I occasionally take the sannyasa asrama in an attempt to bring the fallen people of Kali Yuga to take up the path of bhakti or devotional service to Lord Krsna. (Upa-purana)

kalina dahyamanam
uddhararaya tanu-bhrtam
janma prathama sandhyayam
bhavisyati dvijalaye


The Supreme Person will appear in the first part of the age of Kali. He will appear in the home of a brahmana to save the embodied conditioned souls burning in the troubles of Kali-Yuga. (Kurma-Purana)

kalina dakyamananam
paritranaya tanu-bhrtam
janma prathama sandhyayam
karisyami dvijatisu

aham purno bhavisyami
yuga-sandhyau visesatah
mayapure navadvipe
bhavisyami saci sutah

kaleh prathama sandhyayam
lakshmi- kanto bhavisyati
daru-brahma-samipa-sthah
sannyasi gaura-vigrahah
In the first part of the age of Kali, I will come among the brahmanas to save the fallen souls, who are being burned by the troubles of the age of Kali.

I will take birth as the son of Saci, in Navadvipa-Mayapura.. I will come in my complete spiritual form in the first part of Kali-Yuga.

In the first part of Kali-Yuga, the Supreme Personality of Godhead will come in a gold-like form. First He will become the husband of Laksmi (Srimati Laksmi Devi, Lord Caitanya's first wife). Then He will become a sannyasi, near Lord Jagannatha who will appear in a divine wooden form. (Garuda-Purana)

satye daitya-kuladhi-nasa-samaye
simhordhva-martyakrtis
tretayam dasa-kandharam
paribhavan rameti namakrtih
gopalan paripalayan vraja-pure
bharam haran dvapare
gaurangah priya-kirtanah
kali-yuge caitanya-nama prabhuh


"The Supreme Personality of Godhead who in the Satya-yuga appeared as a half-man, half-lion to cure a terrible disease that had ravaged the daityas, and who in the Treta-yuga appeared as a person named Rama (Lord Ramacandra), a person who defeated the ten- headed Demon Ravana, and who in the Dvapara-yuga removed the earth's burden, and protected the Gopa (cowherd men) people of Vraja-pura, will appear again in the Kali-yuga. His form will be golden, He will delight in chanting the Lord's holy names, and His name will be Caitanya." (Nrsimha Purana)
yatrayogesvarah saksad
yogi-cintyo janardanah
caitanya vapur aste vai
sandranandatmakah

kaleh prathama-sandhyayam
gaurangotham mahi-tale
bhagirathi-tate ramye
bhavisyami saci-sutah


The Supreme Personality, Janardana, who is the object of the yogis' meditation, who saves the devotees from various sufferings, and who is the master of all yogic practices, who is always full of divine transcendental ecstasy and bliss, will advent in His own divine form of Sri Caitanya.


I shall appear on this earth in the first part of Kali-yuga in a beautiful place on the bank of the Bhagirathi. I shall have a golden form, and I shall take birth as the son of Saci. (Padma-Purana)
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[ratikala]

@shivsomashekhar ......This prabhu ji is less than half of the quotations given , ....I trust you will now with draw your statment , ......

 

[ratikala]

Right. So we do not have anyone who is a non-GV, who read the list of evidence and was convinced that Chaitanya was an avatar.

yes , .....Me I had been practicing Buddhism first I came across Gaudia teachings on the ten avataras , reaising Buddha to be an avatara and upon hearing all these things all doubt has been removed , I am now happily both as there is no conflict in my mind

 

[kalyan]

Namaskaram Shivsomashekha ji



I do not care to enter in to the Debate about Swami Narayan , nor about Sai Baba , ......but only to remove all doubt over the question of Sri Krsna Chaitanya , ......

But the argument between young folowers of followers of Sri Madhvacarya who challenged the Gaudiya siddhanta , and Gaudiyas raged long enough , and was some years ago put to rest by the refutals below , folowing this ugly incident Senior followers of Madhavacharya then glorified Srila Prabhupada for his accheivements , ....

first they quoted from Sruti then from the puranas , ....here I list but a few although I am tempted to post all , ...so that we might put an end to this ugly wrangling , ....

itotham krta sannyaso'vatarisyami sa-guno nirvedo
niskamo bhu-girvanas tira-atho' lakanandayah kalau
catuh-sahasrabdhopari panca-sahasrabhyantare
gaura-varno dirghangah sarva-laksana-yukta isvara-
prarthito nija-rasasvado bhakta-rupo misrakhyo
vidita-yogah syam


I will descend on the earth after the passage of four thousand years in the Kali-Age, and before the passsage of five thousand years. I will come on the earth on the bank of the Ganges,. I will be a tall and saintly brahmana devotee. I will have all the auspicious symptoms of an exalted person. I will exhibit renunciation. I will have all auspicious signs. I will be a devotee, practicing bhakti-yoga. I will taste the rasa of My own devotional service. (Atharva Veda)


saptame gaura-varna-visnor ity aena sva-saktya
caikyam etya pratar avatirya saha svaih sva-manum siksayati​

In the seventh manvantara, in the beginning of the Kali-Yuga, the Supreme Personality of Godhead will, accompanied by His own associates, descend in a golden form to the earth. He will teach the chanting of His own names.
(Atharva-Veda Purusa-Bodhini-Upanisad 8)


tathaham krta sannyaso bhu-girvano 'vatarisye
tire'lakanandayah punah punah isvara-prarthitah sa-
parivaro niralambo nirdhuteh kali-kalmasa-kavalita-
janavalambanaya
I shall come to the earth, accompanied by My associates, in a place by the bank of the Ganges. I will advent to save the people who are afflicted and devoured by the sins of the age of Kali. I will manifest as an avadhuta Brahmana sannyasi. (Sama Veda)


mahan prabhur vai purusah
sattvasyaisa pravartakah
su-nirmalam imam praptim
isano jyotir avyayah

The Supreme Personality of Godhead is Mahaprabhu, who disseminates transcendental enlightenment. Just to be in touch with Him is to be in contact with the indestructible Brahmajyoti. (Svetasvatara Upanisad 3.12) ​

yada pasyah pasyate rukma-varnam
kartaram isam purusam brahma-yonim

One who sees that golden-colored Personality of Godhead, the Supreme Lord, the supreme actor, who is the source of the Supreme Brahman, is liberated. (Mundaka Upanisad 3.1.3)

asan varnas trayo hyasya
grhnato’nuygam tanuh
suklo raktastatha pita
idanim krsnatam gatah​

"This boy Krsna, has three other colors: white, red and yellow as He appears in different ages. Now, in this Dvapara-yuga, He has appeared in a transcendental blackish color." (Srimad Bhagavatam 10.8.13) ​

dhyeyam sada paribhava-ghnam abhista-doham
tirthaspadam siva-virinci-nutam saranyam
bhrtyarti-ham pranata-pala bhavabdhi-potam
vande maha-purusa te caranaravindam

We offer our respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of Him, the Lord, upon whom one should always meditate. He destroys insults to His devotees. He removes the distresses of His devotees and satisfies their desires. He, the abode of all holy places and the shelter of all sages, is worshipable by Lord Siva and Lord Brahma. He is the boat of the demigods for crossing the ocean of birth and death. (Srimad Bhagavatam. 11.5.33)

tyaktva sudustyaja-surepsita-rajya-laksmim
dharmistha arya-vacasa yad agad aranyam
maya-mrgam dayitayepsitam anvadhavad
vande maha-purusa te caranaravindam

"We offer our respectful obeisances unto the lotus feet of the Lord, upon whom one should always meditate. He left His householder life, leaving aside His eternal consort, whom even the denizens of heaven adore. He went into the forest to deliver the fallen souls, who are put into illusion by material energy." (Srimad Bhagavatam. 11.5.34)
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How convenient injections!!!! This is called vandalism of bhAgwatham...There is no such a character called chaitanya who is neither predicted nor ever mentioned in bhagawatham or any authentic scriptures, the same way rAdha is not present, so what they do, they cling on to any term which has radh in it...how cringeworthy! You somewhere even quoted svetasatara upanishad, open any commentary of authentic acharyas and read it.

The philosophy of Vaishnavism is diametrically opposed to the twisted
impostions of Gaudiya Math's self-made "god men".
Gaudiya Math/Iskcon simply does not have any Pratishtha, nor authentic devotional service parampara. There are no authorized Sannyasins in the lineage of Sri Krishna Caitanya prabhu's authentic personal
devotional service. You only say
Krishna Caitanya, who himself discarded his eka-danda sannyasa, his
brahman thread, and all the "agama-sastrera instructions" of his "caste
teachers" to establish what he instructed. This is false brahmanism and no vaishnava does this.

1. Gaudiya Math Founder Vimala Prashad never had diksha, nor guru.

2. Fraudulently proclaimed himself a "Gaudiya Sannyasi" against all
tradition, with no diksha, and with admitting that he "gave himself
diksha" from the photo of a dead Babaji who was not a sannyasi, and who
detested sannyasis.

3. Established a place far away from the original Mayapur, which he
named "Sridham Mayapur" and fraudulently claimed it to be the
birthplace of Sri Krishna Caitanya to fool and swindle the innocent and
uninformed.

4. He fabricated a totally offensive "math" which is rejected by all
the real Mayapur inhabitants and for which he was almost "stoned to
death" every time he would dare to go to Navadip Mayapur, the original
Mayapur, which later came to be known as Pacin Mayapur, or Old Original
Mayapur.

Did Gaudiya Math's Founder ever have Sannyasa Diksha from ANYONE??
your only answer can be "no, he did not receive Sannyasa Diksha"..
then the world can only say: "Thus you have no right to claim authentic disciplic succession of Vaishnava Parampara, nor impose, nor lie to anyone claiming that you are "authorized" or that there is any
credibility to your service as being "diksha parampara devotional service".

 

[निताइ dasa]

How convenient injections!!!! This is called vandalism of bhAgwatham...There is no such a character called chaitanya who is neither predicted nor ever mentioned in bhagawatham or any authentic scriptures, the same way rAdha is not present, so what they do, they cling on to any term which has radh in it...how cringeworthy! You somewhere even quoted svetasatara upanishad, open any commentary of authentic acharyas and read it.

The philosophy of Vaishnavism is diametrically opposed to the twisted
impostions of Gaudiya Math's self-made "god men".
Gaudiya Math/Iskcon simply does not have any Pratishtha, nor authentic devotional service parampara. There are no authorized Sannyasins in the lineage of Sri Krishna Caitanya prabhu's authentic personal
devotional service. You only say
Krishna Caitanya, who himself discarded his eka-danda sannyasa, his
brahman thread, and all the "agama-sastrera instructions" of his "caste
teachers" to establish what he instructed. This is false brahmanism and no vaishnava does this.

1. Gaudiya Math Founder Vimala Prashad never had diksha, nor guru.

2. Fraudulently proclaimed himself a "Gaudiya Sannyasi" against all
tradition, with no diksha, and with admitting that he "gave himself
diksha" from the photo of a dead Babaji who was not a sannyasi, and who
detested sannyasis.

3. Established a place far away from the original Mayapur, which he
named "Sridham Mayapur" and fraudulently claimed it to be the
birthplace of Sri Krishna Caitanya to fool and swindle the innocent and
uninformed.

4. He fabricated a totally offensive "math" which is rejected by all
the real Mayapur inhabitants and for which he was almost "stoned to
death" every time he would dare to go to Navadip Mayapur, the original
Mayapur, which later came to be known as Pacin Mayapur, or Old Original
Mayapur.

Did Gaudiya Math's Founder ever have Sannyasa Diksha from ANYONE??
your only answer can be "no, he did not receive Sannyasa Diksha"..
then the world can only say: "Thus you have no right to claim authentic disciplic succession of Vaishnava Parampara, nor impose, nor lie to anyone claiming that you are "authorized" or that there is any
credibility to your service as being "diksha parampara devotional service".

Kalyanji no-one here appreciates or condones this aggressive attack on our Parampara. Please leave, or cease You have now descended into Vaishnav aparadha and by right I should leave this forum. However for the defense of Jagad Guru Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura I must address these heinous points you have bought up. When Prabhupada was present on this earth, noone had the audacity to challenge this line, yet now many anti-parties are springing up. You are bringing up all the old points which were bought up by Tatva-vadi critics, and which were all answered by our previous Acharayas.

1. Gaudiya Math Founder Vimala Prashad never had diksha, nor guru.

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakura was given initial diksha into the Narasimha Mantra by His father, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura as a child (1886). Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura in turn received Diksha from Vipin Bihari Goswami who is in the line of Gadadhara Pandit, a very close associate of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, also within the line of Madhav. Furthermore, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati seeing the monopoly that the caste conscious brahmins had on the Diksha System established a Siksha or Bhagavatam Parampara. By this, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati also accepted Diksha from Gaura Kishora dasa Babaji Maharaj (whose Diksha line descend from Adwaita Acharya, a disciple of Madhavendra Puri) while Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur accepted Siksha from Jaganatha das Babaji. Just because there was no an official Yagna, does not mean that the Diksha was inauthentic. The Guru Sishya relationship was established when Srila Gaurakishora das Babaji Maharaj whispered the Kama Gayatri and Mahamantra into the ears of Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati. In this way the Diksha line is authentic. However, we Gaudiyas also value the Siksha (or Bhagavata) line also, and this is the Parampara which is quoted in our commentaries. This is because, according to us, both Baktisiddhanta Saraswati and Bhaktivinoda Thakura were Nitya-Siddha associates of the Lord, who had descended to revive the mission of Mahaprabhu. That Bhagavata Parampara can be seen below:

In this way, our Sampradaya is authentic both in terms of Diksha and also Siksha lineage. Even Bhaktivinoda Thakur confirms this in His writings:

diksa guru kripa kori mantra upadesa
koriya dekhan krishna tattva nirdesa,
siksa guru brnda kripa koriya apar,
sadhake sikhan sadhaner anga sar

"the initiating spiritual master, diksa guru, shows his causeless mercy by giving his disciples instructions in chanting the mantra. By doing so he points the disciples in the direction of the truths pertaining to the Supreme Lord, Sri Krishna. I consider the numerous instructing spiritual masters, siksa gurus, to be more important, for they show mercy by training the sadhakas in all aspests"

 

[निताइ dasa]

Response
continued

2. Fraudulently proclaimed himself a "Gaudiya Sannyasi" against all
tradition, with no diksha, and with admitting that he "gave himself
diksha" from the photo of a dead Babaji who was not a sannyasi, and who
detested sannyasis.

He did accept Diksha like I showed you above, from both Gaur Kishora das Babaji and also Bhaktivinoda Thakura, both descending from the line of Gadadhara and Adwaita Acharya respectively. As for Sannayasa, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati simply revived the long lost practice of Tridandi Sannayasa in order to preach the message of Mahaprabhu.

agdando'tha mano-dandah
kaya dandas tathaiva ca
yasyaite nihita buddhau
tridanditi sa ucyate

"One who accepts in his mind the rod of chastisement for his speech, body and mind is known as a tridandi -- one who has accepted the threefold rod of chastisement."(Manu-samhita 12.10)

Srila Gaura Kishora das Babaji Maharaj himself appeared in the dream of Bhakisiddanta to order Him to do so. Being a Babaji on the Paramhansa stage, Gaur Kishora das Babaji is qualified to give sannayasa. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada to us is a eternally liberated soul, and therefore He is free to establish whatever is neccesary in order to spread the movement of Mahaprabhu. Do you not see the hand of Lord Hari when the Ganga of Krsna Bhakti spread to the western countries by the grace of Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada? Without the Goswamis, even the Dhama of Vrindavana would have been lost to material vision. On whose authority do you call our line fake? That is why He (Bhaktisiddhanta) is called Acaharya, as confirmed in SB by Sri Krsna Himself:


ācāryaṁ māṁ vijānīyān
 navamanyeta karhicit
na martya-buddhyāsūyeta
 sarva-deva-mayo guruḥ


"One should know the ācārya as Myself and never disrespect him in any way. One should not envy him, thinking him an ordinary man, for he is the representative of all the demigods" (11.17.27)

For us, the words of the Mahajanas are higher than Shastra because it is only through them that the actual meaning of scripture is attained. This is also confirmed in Sruti:

yasya deve para bhaktir yatha deve tatha gurau
tasyaite kathita hy arthah prakasante mahatmanah

"Only unto those great souls who have implicit faith equally in both Sri Gurudeva and the Supreme Lord Sri Krsna are all the confidential imports of Vedic knowledge revealed"

In this way Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati restablished the previous glories of Tridandi Sannayasa. As an authorised associate of the Lord, is a fully able to do this. That is our view. According to Shastra, Sannayasa can be taken when one becomes extremely detached from the material world and attached to Sri Hari. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati was fully authorized to take Sannayasa as a result. (plus where did you get the info that Gaur Kishora das hated sannayasi's lol? he hated hypocrites who pretended to be sannyasis). As for Mahaprabhu, He originally was granted a Ekadanda Sannayasa by Sri Kesava Kashmiri, but that was later broken by Nityananda Prabhu into three pieces to establish Tridanda and hence refute the Mayavadi conception that everything is one. Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu being Iswara is fully independent and can do what He wills. Still to respect the rules of the Vedas he accepted Diksha into an authorized Parampara.

3. Established a place far away from the original Mayapur, which he
named "Sridham Mayapur" and fraudulently claimed it to be the
birthplace of Sri Krishna Caitanya to fool and swindle the innocent and
uninformed.

Wrong again. The Caste conscious Brahmins were preaching that the birth place of Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was in olden day Mayapura (in the otherside of the Ganga). However Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura Himself had a vision (of Adbhuda Mandir) where He saw Sridhama Mayapura on the other side of the Ganga iand Lord Gaura dancing with his associates. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura actually did quite a bit of research on this and concluded that the actual birthplace of Lord Chaitanya was not where people have previously assumed (as per the couplets of Rupa Goswami which I can provide). Furthermore when he brought Jagannatha das Babaji to this place, Babaji started dancing in joy and declared that this is the actual Birthplace of Lord Chaitanya. That is why in His Pranam Mantra it is said:

gauravirbhava-bhumes tvam nirdeshta saj-jana-priyah
vaishnava-sarvabhaumah shri-jagannathaya te namah

"I offer my respectful obeisances to Jagannatha dasa Babaji, who is respected by the entire Vaishnava community
and who discovered the place where Lord Caitanya appeared."

In all of Navadwipa at that time Jagannatha dasa Babaji was accepted as a Siddha Purusha, and hence we accept this conclusion of His. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura and Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati only expanded on His order.

He fabricated a totally offensive "math" which is rejected by all
the real Mayapur inhabitants and for which he was almost "stoned to
death" every time he would dare to go to Navadip Mayapur, the original
Mayapur, which later came to be known as Pacin Mayapur, or Old Original
Mayapur.

The people living in Mayapur then were not true followers of Lord Chaitanya. They were following unauthorized sects such as Sahijyas and Gaura Nagaris, which were firmly rejected by Srila Bhaktisiddhanta in his Prakrta rasa dushani. Srila Prabhupada only re-established the top most principles of Lord Chaitanya.

...There is no such a character called chaitanya who is neither predicted nor ever mentioned in bhagawatham or any authentic scriptures

I love how we give numerous quotes from all the different Puranas and you still have the ignorance to claim that "there was no character called Chaitanya or Radha in Shastras". What a splendid way to debate. I would rather trust the words of Srila Rupa Goswami, Sanatana Goswami and Jiva Goswami (who lived a highly spiritual life and had realisations that simply that spanned multiple books) than you.I have repeated this multiple times. Perhaps if this was another thread, then your accusations could be deemed appropriate. However, despite this being a Gaudiya Thread, you cling to your own preconceived notions despite the evidence we provide. Also you are committing a huge Vaishnav Aparadha by insulting the exalted name of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada which Lord Hari or His Name will not forgive. You have bought shame to the divine line of Srila Ramanujacharya by disrespectfully attacking our Parampara. When Vaishnavs interact they do so in a humble and submissive way. You do not understand even basic Vaishnav etiquette or respect at all, which is very unfortunate. You have your faith in your acharayas and similarly we trust ours. To presume to know what is authentic or not is actually very condescending and not befitting a Vaishnav. I humbly request Cakraji to explain this to Kalyanji because Vaishnav Aparadha is a big deal.

 

[Aupmanyav]

"Top in exam by mercy Nityananda and Gauranga" By Staff
"Got job even market being so down" By Staff
http://nitaigaurkriya.com/

So Swami Gaurangapada has established a separate parampara of Nitai worship in Mathura (forget Mayapuri). I like it. I did not go through the whole page. Just this one was enough for me. But I suppose there is more magic in the parampara. Winning court cases, amassing wealth, success in love-affairs? Oh yes, jobs.
"Are bhai, Nitai amar dayera avadhi"

 

[निताइ dasa]

"Top in exam by mercy Nityananda and Gauranga" By Staff
http://nitaigaurkriya.com/

So Swami Gaurangapada has established a separate parampara of Nitai worship. I like it.

Not a separate Parampara. He was fully authorized by His Gurudeva, as well as Bhaktivinoda Thakura to undertake this task. All Gaudiyas worship Nitai-Gaur, it simply depends to what degree. Our understanding is "heno nitai bina bhai, radha krsna paite nai" that before one approaches Radha Krsna one must approach Lord Nityananda. Btw that site is bit outdated, the current site Nitaism.com That site (one with miracles) is more to preach to people who don't have faith in scriptures . He lives in Radha Kund now.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Is that the way Acharyas go? Fooling people.
How far anyone can put faith in their words if they do this?

 

[निताइ dasa]

Is that the way Acharyas go? Fooling people.

fooling, how? Nitai is so merciful that he gives all material desires just to increase faith in Him. Can such a merciful personality be found anywhere else? One who gives everything for the price of faith, Sraddha matra laye dena, parama ananda!

yatheṣṭhaḿ re bhrātaḥ kuru hari-hari-dhvānam aniśaḿ
tato vaḥ saḿsārāmbudhi-taraṇa-dāyo mayi laget
idaḿ bāhu-sphoṭair aṭati raṭayan yaḥ pratigṛham
bhaje nityānandaḿ bhajana-taru-kandaḿ niravadhi

"I perpetually worship Sri Nityananda Prabhu, the root of the Krsna-bhakti tree, who wandered around Bengal and, approaching the door of each and every home, threw open His arms and exclaimed, "O brothers! All of you should eternally perform sri-harinama-sankirtana together. By doing so, I will take the responsibility to deliver you all from the ocean of material existence."

 

[Terese]

Be a Gaudiya and proud Nitaidasa

 

[kalyan]

Even Bhaktivinoda Thakur confirms this in His writings:

I don't want anyone to leave the forum, but am pointing out the facts of this gaudiyas.....this guy, bhaktivinoda thakur is a clear fraud..gaudiya mutt founded on the basis of false premises and imposition for ulterior agendas of wealth, local Nadia, West Bengal politics and to further a large dacoit gang under the control of the ex-municipal officer Bhaktivinode Thakur who was father of the founding fraud.
I am not doing vaishnava aparadha as krishna Caitanya, who himself discarded his eka-danda sannyasa, his brahman thread is devoid of any vaishnavism.

Sri Krushna just like he broke the mouth of bakasura ,the hamsa who does fake meditation only till it catches its food, likewise Sri Krushna will put an end to this fake sannyasi lineage of gaudiyas in the future, this is spreading more falsehood than doing good, westerners might bite this but we know our vedam and stuff of our prominent acharyas to fall into this cult...Only if you question the stuff, you will know the answers, we have enough of cults like sai baba and swami narayan to digest another one...so questions will be raised, its no wonder that no one till 18th century or so knows about a character called chaitanya or such

also chaitanya has said that this (sannyasa) is also to be rejected.
chaitany himself has said that in the Age of Kali there is no prescription for sannyasa citing as evidence the Brahma-vaivarta Purana: (how laughable first to quote BVP and second to reject it )

asvamedham gavlambham sannyasam palapaitrikam |
devarena sutotpattim kalau pañca vivarjayet || (1.17.7)

 

[निताइ dasa]

I don't want anyone to leave the forum, but am pointing out the facts of this gaudiyas.....this guy, bhaktivinoda thakur is a clear fraud..gaudiya mutt founded on the basis of false premises and imposition for ulterior agendas of wealth, local Nadia, West Bengal politics and to further a large dacoit gang under the control of the ex-municipal officer Bhaktivinode Thakur who was father of the founding fraud.
I am not doing vaishnava aparadha as krishna Caitanya, who himself discarded his eka-danda sannyasa, his brahman thread is devoid of any vaishnavism.

Are you kidding me? There is no proof whatsoever for these accusations at all. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura spent His whole life spreading the message of Hari Bhakti across Bengal. You do not have a shred of evidence to support your points, and I will not let the black stain of your accusations stain His spotless character. He never had any ulterior desire at all, always giving Hari Katha everyday and staying very humbly in Grhasta Asrama even though he was Paramhansa. His whole family were Vaishnavs and it was because of Him that Hari Kathamrta was able to be spread to the west.

Sarada Carana Mitra, Calcutta high court judge, and impartial witness writes about Him:

"I knew Thakur Bhaktivinoda intimately as a friend and a relation. Even under the pressure of official work as a magistrate in charge of a heavy subdivision he could always find time for devotional contemplation and work, and whenever I met him, our talk would turn in a few moments to the subject of bhakti and achintya bheda abheda, dvaitadvaita-vada etc., and the saintly work that lay before him. Service of God is the only thing he longed for and service under the government, however honorable, was to him a clog."

His son Lalita Prasada recalled the following about his father Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, including his daily schedule:

7:30-8:00 PM - take rest.
10:00 PM - rise, light oil lamp, write.
4:00 AM - take rest.
4:30 - rise, wash hands and face, chant 'Hare Krishna maha-mantra japa.
7:00 - write letters.
7:30 - read.
8:30 - receive guests, or continue to read.
9:30-9:45 - take rest.
9:45 - morning bath, breakfast of half-quart milk, couple of chapatis, some fruits.
9:55 - go to court in carriage.

He would wear coat and pants to court, with double-size Tulasi neckbeads and Vaishnava tilaka. He was very strong in his decisions; he would decide immediately. He did not allow any humbug in his court; no upstart could stand before him. He would shave his head monthly.

He never allowed harmonium in his sankirtan, considering it a distraction from the sound of the holy name.

He never had any debts.

10:00 - court began.
1:00 PM - court finished. He'd come home and bathe and refresh.
2:00 PM - return to office.
5:00 PM - translate works from Sanskrit to Bengali.
Then take evening bath and meal of rice, couple of chapatis, half quart (half litre) of milk.

He always consulted a pocket watch, and was always accountable keeping time very punctually.

He was always charitable to brahmanas and equally befriended other castes. He never showed pride, and his amiable disposition was a characteristic feature of his life. He never accepted gifts from anyone; he even declined all honors and titles offered by the government to him on the grounds that they might stand against his holy mission of life. He was very strict in moral principles, and avoided the luxurious life; he would not even chew betel. He disliked theaters because they were frequented by "public women."

He spoke Bengali, Sanskrit, English, Latin, Urdu, Persian, and Oriya. He started writing books at age 12, and continued turning out a profuse number of volumes up until his departure from this world."

And that is a description of His character from a non Gaudiya! I really wonder who has been feeding you such lies.

He wrote a letter to His son, Bhaktisiddhanta as follows:

"People of this world who are proud of their own aristocratic birth attack the pure vaisnava. Thus they commit offences. The solution to the problem is to establish the order of daiva-varnasrama-dharma - something you started doing; you should know that to be the real service to the Vaisnava. Because pure devotional conclusions are not being preached, all kinds of superstition and bad concepts are being called devotion by such pseudo sampradayas as sahajiya and ativadi.

Please always crush these ant-devotional concepts by preaching pure devotional conclusion and by setting an example. Please try very hard to make sure that the service to sri mayapur will become a permanent thing. The real service to Sri Mayapur can be done by acquiring printing presses, distributing devotional books, and sankirtana-preaching. Please do not neglect to serve Sri Mayapur or to preach for the sake of your own reclusive bhajana. When I am not present any more, please take care to serve Sri Mayapur dhama which is so dear to you. This is my special instruction to you.

I had a special desire to preach the significance of such books as Srimad-Bhagavatyam, Sat-Sandarbha, and Vedanta Darshana. You have to accept that responsibility. Sri Mayapur will prosper if you will establish an educational institution there. Never make any effort to collect knowledge or money for your own enjoyment. Only to serve Lord will you collect these things."

Hmmm, I wonder when they will talk about the part where he is a dacoit?

And for us Gaudiya, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura is an expansion of Gadadhara Pandit Himself. He has descended into this world to preach to us Hari Katha, and yet you slander Him. This is a horrid offense according to Skanda Purana:

nindam kurvanti ye mudha
vaishnavanam mahatmanam
patanti pitribhih sardham
maha-raurava-samjnite
hanti nindati vai dveshti
vaishnavan nabhinandati
krudhyate yati no harsham
darsane patanani shat

"That foolish person who criticizes an exalted Vaishnava falls down to the hell known as Maharaurava, along with his forefathers. Whoever (1) kills a Vaishnava, (2) blasphemes him, (3) feels malice toward him, (4) does not properly greet him upon seeing him, (5) becomes angry with him or (6) does not feel joy upon seeing him, certainly becomes degraded as a result of these six types of misconduct"

What to speak of one who speaks, the one who listens to such a offense and does not defend becomes degraded:

It is written in Srimad-Bhagavatam (10.74.40):

nindam bhagavatah srinvams
tat-parasya janasya va
tato napaiti yah so api
yaty adhah sukritac acyutah

"A person who does not promptly leave that place where blasphemy of Bhagavan or His dedicated devotee, the Vaishnava, is perpetrated, becomes bereft of all his previously accumulated spiritual merit (sukriti) and meets with degradation"

Do you bit understand the gravity of your offense. Even if you don't accept Lord Chaitanya as Bhagavan, there is no doubt that He is a Vaishnav, and by that you are also committed an Aparadha. I do not want your spiritual practice to be destroyed simply because of this, and therefore I am telling you for your benefit.

 

[kalyan]

Are you kidding me? There is no proof whatsoever for these accusations at all. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura spent His whole life spreading the message of Hari Bhakti across Bengal. You do not have a shred of evidence to support your points, and I will not let the black stain of your accusations stain His spotless character. He never had any ulterior desire at all, always giving Hari Katha everyday and staying very humbly in Grhasta Asrama even though he was Paramhansa. His whole family were Vaishnavs and it was because of Him that Hari Kathamrta was able to be spread to the west.

Sarada Carana Mitra, Calcutta high court judge, and impartial witness writes about Him:

"I knew Thakur Bhaktivinoda intimately as a friend and a relation. Even under the pressure of official work as a magistrate in charge of a heavy subdivision he could always find time for devotional contemplation and work, and whenever I met him, our talk would turn in a few moments to the subject of bhakti and achintya bheda abheda, dvaitadvaita-vada etc., and the saintly work that lay before him. Service of God is the only thing he longed for and service under the government, however honorable, was to him a clog."

His son Lalita Prasada recalled the following about his father Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, including his daily schedule:

7:30-8:00 PM - take rest.
10:00 PM - rise, light oil lamp, write.
4:00 AM - take rest.
4:30 - rise, wash hands and face, chant 'Hare Krishna maha-mantra japa.
7:00 - write letters.
7:30 - read.
8:30 - receive guests, or continue to read.
9:30-9:45 - take rest.
9:45 - morning bath, breakfast of half-quart milk, couple of chapatis, some fruits.
9:55 - go to court in carriage.

He would wear coat and pants to court, with double-size Tulasi neckbeads and Vaishnava tilaka. He was very strong in his decisions; he would decide immediately. He did not allow any humbug in his court; no upstart could stand before him. He would shave his head monthly.

He never allowed harmonium in his sankirtan, considering it a distraction from the sound of the holy name.

He never had any debts.

10:00 - court began.
1:00 PM - court finished. He'd come home and bathe and refresh.
2:00 PM - return to office.
5:00 PM - translate works from Sanskrit to Bengali.
Then take evening bath and meal of rice, couple of chapatis, half quart (half litre) of milk.

He always consulted a pocket watch, and was always accountable keeping time very punctually.

He was always charitable to brahmanas and equally befriended other castes. He never showed pride, and his amiable disposition was a characteristic feature of his life. He never accepted gifts from anyone; he even declined all honors and titles offered by the government to him on the grounds that they might stand against his holy mission of life. He was very strict in moral principles, and avoided the luxurious life; he would not even chew betel. He disliked theaters because they were frequented by "public women."

He spoke Bengali, Sanskrit, English, Latin, Urdu, Persian, and Oriya. He started writing books at age 12, and continued turning out a profuse number of volumes up until his departure from this world."

And that is a description of His character from a non Gaudiya! I really wonder who has been feeding you such lies.

He wrote a letter to His son, Bhaktisiddhanta as follows:

"People of this world who are proud of their own aristocratic birth attack the pure vaisnava. Thus they commit offences. The solution to the problem is to establish the order of daiva-varnasrama-dharma - something you started doing; you should know that to be the real service to the Vaisnava. Because pure devotional conclusions are not being preached, all kinds of superstition and bad concepts are being called devotion by such pseudo sampradayas as sahajiya and ativadi.

Please always crush these ant-devotional concepts by preaching pure devotional conclusion and by setting an example. Please try very hard to make sure that the service to sri mayapur will become a permanent thing. The real service to Sri Mayapur can be done by acquiring printing presses, distributing devotional books, and sankirtana-preaching. Please do not neglect to serve Sri Mayapur or to preach for the sake of your own reclusive bhajana. When I am not present any more, please take care to serve Sri Mayapur dhama which is so dear to you. This is my special instruction to you.

I had a special desire to preach the significance of such books as Srimad-Bhagavatyam, Sat-Sandarbha, and Vedanta Darshana. You have to accept that responsibility. Sri Mayapur will prosper if you will establish an educational institution there. Never make any effort to collect knowledge or money for your own enjoyment. Only to serve Lord will you collect these things."

Hmmm, I wonder when they will talk about the part where he is a dacoit?

And for us Gaudiya, Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura is an expansion of Gadadhara Pandit Himself. He has descended into this world to preach to us Hari Katha, and yet you slander Him. This is a horrid offense according to Skanda Purana:

nindam kurvanti ye mudha
vaishnavanam mahatmanam
patanti pitribhih sardham
maha-raurava-samjnite
hanti nindati vai dveshti
vaishnavan nabhinandati
krudhyate yati no harsham
darsane patanani shat

"That foolish person who criticizes an exalted Vaishnava falls down to the hell known as Maharaurava, along with his forefathers. Whoever (1) kills a Vaishnava, (2) blasphemes him, (3) feels malice toward him, (4) does not properly greet him upon seeing him, (5) becomes angry with him or (6) does not feel joy upon seeing him, certainly becomes degraded as a result of these six types of misconduct"

What to speak of one who speaks, the one who listens to such a offense and does not defend becomes degraded:

It is written in Srimad-Bhagavatam (10.74.40):

nindam bhagavatah srinvams
tat-parasya janasya va
tato napaiti yah so api
yaty adhah sukritac acyutah

"A person who does not promptly leave that place where blasphemy of Bhagavan or His dedicated devotee, the Vaishnava, is perpetrated, becomes bereft of all his previously accumulated spiritual merit (sukriti) and meets with degradation"

Do you bit understand the gravity of your offense. Even if you don't accept Lord Chaitanya as Bhagavan, there is no doubt that He is a Vaishnav, and by that you are also committed an Aparadha. I do not want your spiritual practice to be destroyed simply because of this, and therefore I am telling you for your benefit.

a vaishnava does not reject sannyasis and does not break his brahmin thread EVER! Just explore about the bhaktivinod thakur and you would know about this guy, this guy even married twice not that I care about his personal life, but true vaishnavas always remain in the service of hari instead of running after materialistic pleasures even at the old age.

 

[निताइ dasa]

a vaishnava does not reject sannyasis and does not break his brahmin thread EVER! Just explore about the bhaktivinod thakur and you would know about this guy, this guy even married twice not that I care about his personal life, but true vaishnavas always remain in the service of hari instead of running after materialistic pleasures even at the old age.

No, Vaishnavs are above the injuctions of Vidhi Dharma. Even if a Vaishnav commits what appears to the most sinful act, still they are concidered pious as per BG:

api cet su-duracaro
bhajate mam ananya-bhak
sadhur eva sa mantavyah
samyag vyavasito hi sah
"Even if one commits the most abominable actions, if he is engaged in devotional service, he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated"

Yes Bhaktivinoda Thakura married twice, but he did everything in accordance with Varnashrama Dharma. His first wife died at a very very young age and he only married much later to start a family in order to serv Hari. Who says one cannot marry and yet serve Sri Hari at the same time? The Pandavas were all married to Draupadi yet you do not doubt their service to Hari. Any varna is eligible to serve Hari, not simply Brahmans; this is a key teaching of Srila Ramanuja.

Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu never rejected Sannyasa, ever! He followed the rules of Sannyasa with such strict severity. He even rejected on of His dear disciples (Chota Haridas) because he accidentally was alone with a women. It was only due to Lord Nityananda's mercy that Chota Haridas was delivered. And this thing about Mahaprabhu breaking his brahmana thread is completely false. Nowhere in the biography of Lord Chaitanya can this incident be found. I think you are confusing this with another pastime, when another Brahmin broke his thread and cursed Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (in accordance with the prophecy in the Bhagavatam). Again you are in great illusion about these matters and they have skewered your view of Gaudiya Siddhanta.