Finally! More Young Americans Accept Evolution than Believe in Creationism...

[Ben Dhyan]

I don't undertstand what you're saying, any chance of it in 'normal speak'?

Created things are finite and thus have an ending....creation and destruction are the workings of eternal existence...if there was not an opportunity for sentient beings to transcend this eternal process....it would be be the equivalent of hell as they would experience the suffering all mortals suffer, but for eternity....though it does not happen as all souls sooner or later get tired of the suffering and pay attention in order to learn the way of return to the Great Way...aka God, Nirvana, Absolute Reality, etc....

 

[gnostic]

Why do you equate the absolute universe with a pink unicorn...how old did you say you were? Now you do accept that the universe exists yes...can you prove it is not eternal?

I don't equate unicorn to the universe.

Why do you equate the universe with God?

The existence of God is no better than that of the pink unicorn, fairy, ghoul, vampire. All of them mythological.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Stick to that who or whatever you belief come from your personal belief or personal faith, and not make it more than the scope of your sphere of belief.

That's a common problem with people with religious beliefs, they indulge in pseudo-science in an attempt to"prove" that their beliefs have a factual basis.

 

[McBell]

I prefer the positive approach in belief
until someone shows a means of demonstrating substance first.......and no one can.....
Spirit first.

Until someone shows a means of demonstrating spirit first.......and no one can.....
Substance first

Of course, this is assuming your false dichotomy is valid

 

[McBell]

That's a common problem with people with religious beliefs, they indulge in pseudo-science in an attempt to"prove" that their beliefs have a factual basis.

Or they trump up a particular sciencey thing until it gets them to their god, then ditch it like last weeks garbage....

 

[McBell]

Why do you equate the absolute universe with a pink unicorn...

The same reason you equate the absolute universe with god...

how old did you say you were?

Are you implying that pink unicorns are childish and somehow god is not?

Aren't all imaginary friends childish?
Regardless of what you call them?

Now you do accept that the universe exists yes...

Yes, I do.

can you prove it is not eternal?

No more so than you can prove it is.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I don't equate unicorn to the universe.

Why do you equate the universe with God?

The existence of God is no better than that of the pink unicorn, fairy, ghoul, vampire. All of them mythological.

Because the reality represented by the concept of God is one and the same reality represented by the concept of universe...the real universe that is, all of it...not the 5% of physical stuff science deals with.... Gnosticism belief is no better than Scientology...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

The same reason you equate the absolute universe with god...


Are you implying that pink unicorns are childish and somehow god is not?

Aren't all imaginary friends childish?
Regardless of what you call them?

Yes, I do.

No more so than you can prove it is.

I've just responded to gnostic on this...please decide between you who am I talking to and the other can read my response?

 

[McBell]

I've just responded to gnostic on this...please decide between you who am I talking to and the other can read my response?

my apologies.
I was unaware of your condition.

 

[gnostic]

Because the reality represented by the concept of God is one and the same reality represented by the concept of universe...

Say, you.

I don't see God being of any reality at all.

To me, it is all in your mind.

The concept of the universe is natural. It has no magical (divine) elements, and not conscious.

The concept of God is different all together, belonging to the mystical and supernatural. Not of any reality, and it is based on your personal superstitious belief.

You may call this God, YHWH, Jesus, Allah, Brahma, Zeus, etc, but they are all the same, belonging to primitive cultures, that some people still have outgrown today. Superstitions, still persisted because some people can't let go of them.

 

[gnostic]

Because the reality represented by the concept of God is one and the same reality represented by the concept of universe...the real universe that is, all of it...not the 5% of physical stuff science deals with.... Gnosticism belief is no better than Scientology...

Who said that I believe in Gnosticism or Scientology?

Religious-wise, I am agnostic. I don't have a religion. I am very interested in myths, but being interested in mythology doesn't mean that I actually in believe in them.

Philosophically, I have many, but don't really favor one over the other...meaning, none of the philosophies are dominant.

People assume that I argue against certain belief, make me anti-religionist; I am not. I actually enjoying reading stories from various scriptures, but see them as myths, legends, folklore, allegory or fairytale. I simply love good story-telling. I actually like reading the bible, but that doesn't mean I have to believe that they are real.

The story-parts - or narratives - are the most interesting parts of scriptures. I simply find things like, prophecies, laws and morals in scriptures to be boring, and outdated.

To me, reading scriptures, like the bible is very interesting, but it doesn't mean I have to treat it as factual history. Why should I treat god or characters, like Adam, Noah, Abraham, etc, in whatever scriptural literature being any more real than Zeus, Aphrodite, Heracles, Jason, Voldemort, Harry Potter, Sauron, Frodo, Aragon, etc?

BTW, I have read a number of Gnostic texts from the Nag Hammadi, doesn't mean that I have to believe in them.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Say, you.

I don't see God being of any reality at all.

To me, it is all in your mind.

The concept of the universe is natural. It has no magical (divine) elements, and not conscious.

The concept of God is different all together, belonging to the mystical and supernatural. Not of any reality, and it is based on your personal superstitious belief.

You may call this God, YHWH, Jesus, Allah, Brahma, Zeus, etc, but they are all the same, belonging to primitive cultures, that some people still have outgrown today. Superstitions, still persisted because some people can't let go of them.

No...it's your illusion...or rather misunderstanding... Let me explain....we can agree that there is an absolute reality or universe represented by the concept of absolute reality or universe...yes? Now there are those who agree that this absolute reality or universe is also represented by other names...one of which is Brahman aka God.. Now there are also those who use the name God to represent a non-existent reality ...and there is nothing the first lot can do about it...for afaik, no one has copyright on the definition of God.. There is nothing mythical about the universe..it is absolutely real and is synonymous with God in the way I am using the concept....forget those who assign a corrupt or unreal representation to the word...you are talking to me...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Who said that I believe in Gnosticism or Scientology?

Religious-wise, I am agnostic. I don't have a religion. I am very interested in myths, but being interested in mythology doesn't mean that I actually in believe in them.

Philosophically, I have many, but don't really favor one over the other...meaning, none of the philosophies are dominant.

People assume that I argue against certain belief, make me anti-religionist; I am not. I actually enjoying reading stories from various scriptures, but see them as myths, legends, folklore, allegory or fairytale. I simply love good story-telling. I actually like reading the bible, but that doesn't mean I have to believe that they are real.

The story-parts - or narratives - are the most interesting parts of scriptures. I simply find things like, prophecies, laws and morals in scriptures to be boring, and outdated.

To me, reading scriptures, like the bible is very interesting, but it doesn't mean I have to treat it as factual history. Why should I treat god or characters, like Adam, Noah, Abraham, etc, in whatever scriptural literature being any more real than Zeus, Aphrodite, Heracles, Jason, Voldemort, Harry Potter, Sauron, Frodo, Aragon, etc?

BTW, I have read a number of Gnostic texts from the Nag Hammadi, doesn't mean that I have to believe in them.

Well there you go....here you are using the concept of gnostic to represent the reality represented by the concept of agnostic....now that I understand this...there is no confusion...a name by any other name smells as sweet...

 

[Altfish]

Created things are finite and thus have an ending....creation and destruction are the workings of eternal existence...if there was not an opportunity for sentient beings to transcend this eternal process....it would be be the equivalent of hell as they would experience the suffering all mortals suffer, but for eternity....though it does not happen as all souls sooner or later get tired of the suffering and pay attention in order to learn the way of return to the Great Way...aka God, Nirvana, Absolute Reality, etc....

Well, as a sentient thing, who has but a few years on this planet I'm not bothered. When I die, I will be in the same state that I was in 1950 (i.e. before I was born), the difference being that hopefully some people will have memories of me.
I have some arthritis in my knees - is that the suffering that all mortals suffer? Otherwise life is good, I know I'm going to die, c'est la vie.

 

[gnostic]

No...it's your illusion... Let me explain....we can agree that there is an absolute reality or universe represented by the concept of absolute reality or universe...yes? Now there are those who agree that this absolute reality or universe is also represented by other names...one of which is Brahman aka God.. Now there are also those who use the name God to represent a non-existent reality ...and there is nothing the first lot can do about it...for afaik, no one has copyright on the definition of God.. There is nothing mystical about the universe..it is absolutely real...

No, I'd have to disagree with all yours points.

Do I believe that the universe exist and a reality?

Yes, I do. But there is nothing "mystical" about the universe.

But this, "absolute reality" you talk of, is nothing more than mystic gibberish.

The universe is reality; it doesn't need to apply this meaningless "absolute".

Applying "absolute" to "reality" is simply people applying twisted logic to what is unknown about the universe.

 

[gnostic]

Well there you go....here you are using the concept of gnostic to represent the reality represented by the concept of agnostic....now that I understand this...there is no confusion...a name by any other name smells as sweet...

Ah, no.

I have applied no gnostic concept to any reality. My alias or avatar is just a name, nothing more. Again, you seeing or reading into things that at are not there.

You got to stop making assumptions.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Well, as a sentient thing, who has but a few years on this planet I'm not bothered. When I die, I will be in the same state that I was in 1950 (i.e. before I was born), the difference being that hopefully some people will have memories of me.
I have some arthritis in my knees - is that the suffering that all mortals suffer? Otherwise life is good, I know I'm going to die, c'est la vie.

You wish...you do not know yet what and who you really are...that which incarnates does not die...the creation process goes on forever...until you realize what and who you really are...the experiences you have in this life from which you have not learned will be repeated in the next...and so on until the last life...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Ah, no.

I have applied no gnostic concept to any reality. My alias or avatar is just a name, nothing more. Again, you seeing or reading into things that at are not there.

You got to stop making assumptions.

There is no assumption....those reading your user name gnostic will naturally think logically that you are a gnostic....you are being obtuse to pretend that those who assume you are a gnostic are reading things that are not there and that gnostic actually means agnostic to your sense of (il)logic... I mean, it would not take more than a few tics to change your avatar name to agnostic..

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No, I'd have to disagree with all yours points.

Do I believe that the universe exist and a reality?

Yes, I do. But there is nothing "mystical" about the universe.

But this, "absolute reality" you talk of, is nothing more than mystic gibberish.

The universe is reality; it doesn't need to apply this meaningless "absolute".

Applying "absolute" to "reality" is simply people applying twisted logic to what is unknown about the universe.

So 'absolute' is meaningless when used as an adjective to describe noun 'reality'...you sure about that? The physical universe is only 5% of the estimated absolute whole...the unknown 95% is still a mystery to science....plenty of room for mystics to exercise their prescience...

 

[Oldsoul]

I'm still puzzled how some human animals actually think there is an iota of credibility in creationism.

For starters we have eyes..