God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!

[outhouse]

You would go from salt water bag to saint were you to convert.

Your no one to tell other people of their potential or lack of.

Do salt water bags compose poetry, worship Jesus Christ, sculpt great works of art, make love, raise children?

Many hold fanaticism and fundamentalism so deep they refuse to accept reality, despite factual evidence.

 

[metis]

Again, you are way off the OP but no.

"No" what?

And since you keep bringing up "Genesis", isn't it rather logical that the content and possible intent of the author(s) be considered? If you don't want to discuss this, then why did you bring "Genesis" up to begin with?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

No such thing as life "force". Making things up?

There is only life and non life. What force does cyanobacteria have?

No..not making things up...the life force in question is the bioelectromagnetic field of the life form.... You say there is only form with no life and form with life....than what is the nature of this concept we call life... Science has all the known non-life ingredients that constitutes life forms...and the technologies to simulate the conditions whereby they think life began...but they can't create a life form....why is that do you think?

 

[gnostic]

...And... what is your evidence that the non-canon sources were written before Jude and not after?

Since Jude 14-15 come from the book of Enoch, then I would have to look for the oldest evidences for the book of Enoch.

As I stated before the Dead Sea Scrolls (DSS) from the Qumran caves, contained some of the oldest non-Greek Septuagint. The Book of Enoch found in cave 4, were shown to be as old as late 3rd century BCE, predating before Jesus' ministry and dead-resurrection (around 32 to 36 CE). If it predated Jesus, then it certainly predated the epistle of Jude, wouldn't you agree?

The date to Jude can't be pinpointed exactly, because the original is lost, but the most conservative scholars place between 66 CE and 90 CE. Most likely it was written between 80 and 90.

1 Enoch:

Various Qumran caves have yielded for the first time the original Aramaic text of one of the major Pseudepigrapha, the Book of Enoch, which was previously known from a complete Ethiopic translation and from a Greek rendering of chapters i–xxxii and xcvii–ci, cvi–cvii, as well as from a number of Greek quotations from chapters vi to xv transmitted by the Byzantine writer George Syncellus. Qumran Cave 4 has yielded seven copies of the writing attested by, but not strictly identical to, the Ethiopic, and four further copies of the related Book of Giants, dependent on chapter vi of Enoch, fragments of which have been discovered also in 1Q and 6Q. Palaeographically, all of them are dated to between 200 BCE and the end of the pre-Christian era.

The "end of" the pre-Christian era, meaning before Jesus' birth in 6 BCE.

The Book of Enoch (or 1 Enoch) can only be found in it complete form from the 15th-16th century, written in Ethiopic, most likely directly translated from Greek, but the fragmented scrolls (particularly in Qumran, cave 4 or 4Q) were written in Aramaic, and have been dated as early as 200 BCE (or late 3rd century bce).

The fragments in Q4, are evidences that it predated Jude, by at least 2-and-a-half centuries. Bronze coins found in the cave, have been dated to John Hyrcanus (135–104 BCE), showed further that people were placing scrolls and other items, century/centuries before Jesus was even born (most would put it to 6 BCE).

But we are not talking about Jesus, but about Jude's epistle.

There are other scrolls to Enoch, found in other caves, 1Q and 6Q, have been dated to different times, but it cave 4 or 4Q that provided the oldest find to 1 Enoch.

Look it up the Dead Sea scrolls, BilliardsBall, or are you too lazy or afraid to do a little research and look at what you might find?

Sources:

Vermes, Geza, 2012, The Complete Dead Sea Scrolls In English, 7 ed., Penguin Classics.​

 

[McBell]

Look it up the Dead Sea scrolls, BilliardsBall, or are you too lazy or afraid to do a little research and look at what you might find?

My money is on afraid...

 

[gnostic]

My money is on afraid...

If I was a betting man, I would say that too.

He wanted evidences, I have give him a starting point of where to begin his search - the Qumran's Dead Sea Scrolls.

A lot of things that we know and view the bible, especially the authorship, styles and language used of each individual books in the Hebrew Scriptures (Tanakh or Old Testament) and extra-literary works (including the Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha, pre-rabbinic literature (before the destruction of second temple 70 CE), have being revised by scholars, historians and palaeographers (experts in ancient languages and literature) by the discovery of the DSS in 1946.

Similar (1948) discovery in Nag Hammadi, Egypt, of codices of gnostic literature have also made us revised how we view Gnosticism and the early church or Christianity in general.

While learning church traditions are all good and well, new evidences from Qumran should be investigated.

BilliardsBall seemed to be stuck in biblical scholarship of an era before 1946. I bring up DSS, and he seemed to ignore them.

Yes, he seemed to be afraid to look into modern scholarship.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So god is a life, right?
If not, you shoot your own argument in the foot.
If so, what life did god come from?
If god did not come from a life, you again shoot your argument in the foot.

According to Psalms 90:2 God is from everlasting...... Meaning God always existed. God is also Creator - Revelation 4:11 - so the Creator can Not be created.
That is why eternity is in our hearts. For each day we can think of we can think of a next day. We can count forwards and backwards forever and ever.
God is self contained, immortal, whereas his creation ( angelic and human ) are offered ' everlasting life ' as long as keeping God' Law.
In other words, mortal Adam could only remain alive on earth forever as long as Adam did Not break God's Law
The only exception is that God granted immortality to faithful Jesus - John 5:26 - and those of Daniel 7:18 who will rule over earth with Jesus for 1,000 years. - Revelation 20:6

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Only God is permanent....the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow....the alpha and the omega...the creation period and the destruction period... Psalms 102:25-27
John 5:39-40

Try John 5:26 because God's grants immortality to Jesus.

The earth is also permanent - Psalms 104:5; Psalms 148:4-6; Psalms 96:10; Ecclesiastes 1:4 B; Jeremiah 10:11-12
So, the verses of Psalms 102:25-26 is what is in reference to Hebrews 1:11-12
Psalms 102:25-27 is Not speaking about earth's destruction but of God's eternal existence over His creation.
The physical or material heavens and earth are perishable, and could be destroyed "IF" it was God's purpose otherwise earth lasts forever - Psalms 119:90
Earth is resilient and bounces back from abuse. Earth changes and replenishes itself.
Like a garment or clothings wears out - Psalms 102:26 - God can replenish what is worn. Just like we can refresh oneself by changing clothes.
So, creation is Not eternal in itself, but rather God who created Earth promises to sustain Earth.
That is why Jesus could refer to Psalms 37:11; Psalms 37:29; Matthew 5:5 that the humble meek people will inherit the Earth.
Jesus will have earthly subjects from sea to sea ( one end of earth to the other end ) - Psalms 72:7-8

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Try John 5:26 because God's grants immortality to Jesus.

The earth is also permanent - Psalms 104:5; Psalms 148:4-6; Psalms 96:10; Ecclesiastes 1:4 B; Jeremiah 10:11-12
So, the verses of Psalms 102:25-26 is what is in reference to Hebrews 1:11-12
Psalms 102:25-27 is Not speaking about earth's destruction but of God's eternal existence over His creation.
The physical or material heavens and earth are perishable, and could be destroyed "IF" it was God's purpose otherwise earth lasts forever - Psalms 119:90
Earth is resilient and bounces back from abuse. Earth changes and replenishes itself.
Like a garment or clothings wears out - Psalms 102:26 - God can replenish what is worn. Just like we can refresh oneself by changing clothes.
So, creation is Not eternal in itself, but rather God who created Earth promises to sustain Earth.
That is why Jesus could refer to Psalms 37:11; Psalms 37:29; Matthew 5:5 that the humble meek people will inherit the Earth.
Jesus will have earthly subjects from sea to sea ( one end of earth to the other end ) - Psalms 72:7-8

Only God is immortal....Jesus became one with God...immortality comes from union with God...in spirit... Despite the bible quotes which include the rhetoric of an Earth that lasts forever....no one in this day and scientific space age can believe it to be true....this Earth will most certainly pass away....it is a Divine natural principle... the only refuge is God....read my sig line...

 

[outhouse]

Try John 5:26 because God's grants immortality to Jesus.

The earth is also permanent - Psalms 104:5; Psalms 148:4-6; Psalms 96:10; Ecclesiastes 1:4 B; Jeremiah 10:11-12
So, the verses of Psalms 102:25-26 is what is in reference to Hebrews 1:11-12
Psalms 102:25-27 is Not speaking about earth's destruction but of God's eternal existence over His creation.
The physical or material heavens and earth are perishable, and could be destroyed "IF" it was God's purpose otherwise earth lasts forever - Psalms 119:90
Earth is resilient and bounces back from abuse. Earth changes and replenishes itself.
Like a garment or clothings wears out - Psalms 102:26 - God can replenish what is worn. Just like we can refresh oneself by changing clothes.
So, creation is Not eternal in itself, but rather God who created Earth promises to sustain Earth.
That is why Jesus could refer to Psalms 37:11; Psalms 37:29; Matthew 5:5 that the humble meek people will inherit the Earth.
Jesus will have earthly subjects from sea to sea ( one end of earth to the other end ) - Psalms 72:7-8

Why does none of that have anything to do with the OP?

 

[outhouse]

According to

REAL knowledge, the earth is over 4.5 years old.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

REAL knowledge, the earth is over 4.5 years old.

x billion

 

[McBell]

According to Psalms 90:2 God is from everlasting...... Meaning God always existed. God is also Creator - Revelation 4:11 - so the Creator can Not be created.
That is why eternity is in our hearts. For each day we can think of we can think of a next day. We can count forwards and backwards forever and ever.
God is self contained, immortal, whereas his creation ( angelic and human ) are offered ' everlasting life ' as long as keeping God' Law.
In other words, mortal Adam could only remain alive on earth forever as long as Adam did Not break God's Law
The only exception is that God granted immortality to faithful Jesus - John 5:26 - and those of Daniel 7:18 who will rule over earth with Jesus for 1,000 years. - Revelation 20:6

All of that and you still did not answer the question: Is God a life?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

REAL knowledge, the earth is over 4.5 years old.

There is nothing in Genesis that is out of harmony with CMBR ( cosmic microwave background radiation ) about the age of earth or the universe.
The word day in Scripture has shades of meaning. Notice all of the creative days are summed up by the word ' day ' at Genesis 2:4
There is Nothing in Scripture that even indicates that each of the creative days were of the same or differing lengths of time.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

All of that and you still did not answer the question: Is God a life?

Is God a Being ?______ If you think that God could be a Being, then the Being God is a life. - Acts of the Apostles 17:29

In the Greek what has been translated into English as Godhead in the Greek reads ' the divine being to be like' . Also Hebrews 1:3

 

[McBell]

Is God a Being ?______ If you think that God could be a Being, then the Being God is a life. - Acts of the Apostles 17:29

In the Greek what has been translated into English as Godhead in the Greek reads ' the divine being to be like' . Also Hebrews 1:3

Now that we have established that god is a life, what life did god come from?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Now that we have established that god is a life, what life did god come from?

According to Scripture God had No start, God had No beginning - Psalms 90:2

Since God is also Creator, and Not a creation, then the Creator can Not have been created. God would have life within himself. Self contained.

God used that life within Himself - that power and strength - His abundant dynamic energy to create both the invisible realm and then the visible realm.- Isaiah 40:26; Psalms 104:30

 

[outhouse]

There is nothing in Genesis that is out of harmony with CMBR ( cosmic microwave background radiation )

There is nothing in genesis that is in harmony with any nature or biology.

There is Nothing in Scripture that even indicates that each of the creative days were of the same or differing lengths of time.

Well then, you better pick up the book and read again, because it clearly states a 24 hour day is just that.


And by the way, science knows what and when the earth had different rotation speed changing daylight hours. They were shorter the further we go back in time.


Genesis has nothing to do with the earths origins or human origins. It is known as creation mythology in all credible academic circles

 

[outhouse]

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[gnostic]

There is nothing in Genesis that is out of harmony with CMBR ( cosmic microwave background radiation ) about the age of earth or the universe.
The word day in Scripture has shades of meaning. Notice all of the creative days are summed up by the word ' day ' at Genesis 2:4
There is Nothing in Scripture that even indicates that each of the creative days were of the same or differing lengths of time.

Genesis 2:4 is meaningless.

You should be re-reading Genesis 1.

For each creative day, there is "an evening and a morning".

And morning and evening is a cycle for each day; none of the 6 verses are any different in length of time, which is "an evening and a morning".

Evening is a specific time of a day. And morning is a specific time of a day.

I don't know what you have been reading, but clearly each day was not of unspecified length. You have to be utterly ignorant or a great big liar, to not see that a day consisted of "an evening and a morning", repeated 6 times:

1. Genesis 1:5 (1st day) And there was evening, and there was morning —
2. Genesis 1:8 (2nd day) And there was evening, and there was morning —
3. Genesis 1:13 (3rd day) And there was evening, and there was morning —
4. Genesis 1:19 (4th day) And there was evening, and there was morning —
5. Genesis 1:23 (5th day) And there was evening, and there was morning —
6. Genesis 1:31 (6th day) And there was evening, and there was morning —

Do see any of the above verses that show that time weren't specific?

To me, they didn't have length of time, and clearly each evening and morning was referring to a normal day.

What it is certain, is that each of those day doesn't mean 1000 years or 1 million years.