God Recreated the Earth 6,000 Years Ago!

[URAVIP2ME]

Sure there is creation as a process, but there was never a first creation in the context of eternity, and there will never be a last....however in the context of a star system say, like this one to which the scripture you quoted applies, there was a beginning, it is a creation by an eternal Creator.....and there will be an ending to it as a part of due process...
There was never a time in all eternity when there were no star systems....

Yes, there would be an ending as part of a due process, "IF" it were Not that God's purpose be that human life exist forever on a forever earth - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B
Sure we don't know the details, but that does Not mean we will never know the details.
According to Scripture, Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill. Jesus will govern over earth for a thousand years. So, mankind can learn more of God's purpose for the earth, and how the earth will abide forever - Revelation 22:2

 

[URAVIP2ME]

That's not what I meant, uravip2me.
Where did Jude get Enoch "prophecising"?
There were no prophecising in Genesis 5, with regarding to enoch. All Genesis 5 say about are -

(A) whose was Enoch's father (Jared), verse 5:18-19,
(B) at what age Enoch became father to Methuselah, 5:21
(C) that Enoch "walked with God", 5:22-24, until God took him away, 5:24.​

Twice, Genesis 5 say that Enoch "walked with God" (5:22, 24), but no prophecy. So where did Jude come up with Enoch's prophecy?
You should read what I am saying, uravip2me. I am not asking or saying if anyone is real or not, but where did Jude get his sources from.

Thank you for bringing to my attention about where did Jude 1:14 get his source or sources.
Enoch prophecy - the LORD comes with ten thousands of His saints or holy ones.
Try:
Deuteronomy 33:2
Daniel 7:10
Zechariah 14:5
Hebrews 12:22

Compare Jude 1:9 with:
Exodus 23:20
Exodus 32:34
Exodus 33:2
Daniel 10:21
Daniel 12:1
1 Thessalonians 4:16
Daniel 10:13
Deuteronomy 34:6
2 Peter 2:11
Zechariah 3:2

 

[outhouse]

Did Eve tempt Adam, or rather did Adam deliberately choose to die along with Eve.
Did Adam in some way commit suicide by eating rather than live without Eve.
Adam did Not blame Eve, but Adam blamed God for giving Eve to him - Genesis 3:12

These are not historical characters, they factually do not have any historicity as existing as written. By all credible accounts they existed in literature only. Not even passed down oral tradition.

The bible is not a science book and does not explain our origins with any credibility.

 

[gnostic]

Some reasons for rejecting apocrypha:

1. The witness of council leaders and prior authors who had a direct lineage to the Bible authors, for example, Irenaeus was taught by Tertullian who was taught by St. John
2. The Jewish people rejected intertestamental apocrypha prior to any church council meetings. The Maccabees et al are apocryphal to both faiths.
3. The apocrypha doesn't quote the OT, the NT quotes the OT in support of its writings many hundreds of times.
4. The apocrypha contains self-contradictory teachings.
5. The apocrypha does not state its divine authorship; we can find statements of divine word and authorship thousands of times in both testaments.

And yet, the epistle to Jude, include 2 examples of author quoting non-canonical apocryphal pseudepigraphal sources that are not found in the canonical Old Testament.

Does Jude show that the author rejecting non-canonical materials, BilliardsBall?
Why would Jude use uninspired sources?​

Can you answer me directly (the above questions), without your usual evasions, about Jude 1:9 and 14-15?

Forget Tertullian and Irenaeus, or any other church fathers. I only want your input on the epistle (Jude). Use your brain, BilliardsBall. Think...where did Jude get his non-canonical materials from?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

These are not historical characters, they factually do not have any historicity as existing as written. By all credible accounts they existed in literature only. Not even passed down oral tradition.
The bible is not a science book and does not explain our origins with any credibility.

What is Not credible? Life does Not come from Non-life. God breathed the ' breath of life ' into lifeless Adam - Genesis 2:7 - before Adam became a living person.

And a science book is Not the teacher of morality.
The Bible teaches us the way to serve God and be governed by morality.

 

[McBell]

Life does Not come from Non-life.

So god is a life, right?
If not, you shoot your own argument in the foot.

If so, what life did god come from?
If god did not come from a life, you again shoot your argument in the foot.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yes, there would be an ending as part of a due process, "IF" it were Not that God's purpose be that human life exist forever on a forever earth - Ecclesiastes 1:4 B
Sure we don't know the details, but that does Not mean we will never know the details.
According to Scripture, Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill. Jesus will govern over earth for a thousand years. So, mankind can learn more of God's purpose for the earth, and how the earth will abide forever - Revelation 22:2

Only God is permanent....the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow....the alpha and the omega...the creation period and the destruction period... Psalms 102:25-27

John 5:39-40

 

[metis]

Did Eve tempt Adam, or rather did Adam deliberately choose to die along with Eve.
Did Adam in some way commit suicide by eating rather than live without Eve.
Adam did Not blame Eve, but Adam blamed God for giving Eve to him - Genesis 3:12

Believe in whatever you want to believe in, but the narrative is really quite clear on this part, and this fits into our early folklore that women were more the tempters, which is also reflected in our scriptures. It even shows up in one of the statements in regards to John the Baptist as found in your scriptures-- see if you can find it.

 

[gnostic]

Thank you for bringing to my attention about where did Jude 1:14 get his source or sources.
Enoch prophecy - the LORD comes with ten thousands of His saints or holy ones.
Try:
Deuteronomy 33:2
Daniel 7:10
Zechariah 14:5
Hebrews 12:22

Compare Jude 1:9 with:
Exodus 23:20
Exodus 32:34
Exodus 33:2
Daniel 10:21
Daniel 12:1
1 Thessalonians 4:16
Daniel 10:13
Deuteronomy 34:6
2 Peter 2:11
Zechariah 3:2

Sorry, but none of those links you have listed, included Enoch "giving" prophecy.

Jude was very specific with naming Enoch as the one giving that prophecy, and yet Jude doesn't tell us that he got it from non-canonical source.

The books (Enoch, Jubilees, etc) were very popular and influential during the 1st century CE, especially to the Christians of that time. All the ideas that Christian believe in - resurrection, afterlife in heaven and hell, fallen angels - come from the foreign elements found in Hellenistic religions.

Face fact, uravip2me, Judaism of 2nd century BCE to 1st century CE, and Christianity of 1st century CE, are very foreign to those Judaism during King Josiah's time.

 

[outhouse]

Life does Not come from Non-life

Says who?

Someone who refuses credible knowledge, but thinks mythology is real?

God breathed

Hypocritical is it not? "You said life does not come from non life" Yet you claim adam was non life and then he became life.


So when, what date do you think this man lived?

Did he have a belly button?

And a science book is Not the teacher of morality.

And a bible is not a history or science book that has anything to do with the REAL origins of life.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Says who?

Someone who refuses credible knowledge, but thinks mythology is real?

Link please to evidence that life comes from non-life?

 

[McBell]

Link please to evidence that life comes from non-life?

So god is a life, right?
If not, you shoot your own argument in the foot.

If so, what life did god come from?
If god did not come from a life, you again shoot your argument in the foot.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

So god is a life, right?
If not, you shoot your own argument in the foot.

If so, what life did god come from?
If god did not come from a life, you again shoot your argument in the foot.

Evidence please...don't change the subject...

 

[McBell]

Evidence please...don't change the subject...

Nice try.
I asked you if god is life.

I am the one asking for evidence in the post you quoted asking for evidence.

Care to try again?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Nice try.
I asked you if god is life.

I am the one asking for evidence in the post you quoted asking for evidence.

Care to try again?

That is not the question...the question was about life coming from non-life!!! If you believe it can....please provide the evidence...if you do not believe it is so, we are in agreement...dasall!

 

[McBell]

That is not the question...the question was about life coming from non-life!!! If you believe it can....please provide the evidence...if you do not believe it is so, we are in agreement...dasall!

If you are not going to answer the questions I presented, just say so.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

If you are not going to answer the questions I presented, just say so.

Go back to the beginning....where did I make any claim...outhouse was challenging the claim that life can not come from non-life in post #1550....and I asked for evidence that it can... Now if you can't provide the evidence, just admit it....no problem...

 

[McBell]

Go back to the beginning....where did I make any claim...outhouse was challenging the claim that life can not come from non-life in post #1550....and I asked for evidence that it can... Now if you can't provide the evidence, just admit it....no problem...

interesting how you so blatantly avoid answering.
No problem.
I was not really expecting any more of an answer from you than I am of URAVIP2ME

 

[BilliardsBall]

No, the pathetic drift of your posts on this is that nuclear physicists are so ignorant of their own subject that it takes a person like you to set them straight. In areas whereas adjustments must be done, you don't think they don't know how to do that, such as with C-14? So, when they give figures based on their calculations, do you think they're being dishonest and/or ignorant?

Sorry, but you make not one iota of sense on this, whereas you supposedly know so much more than they.

Um, what? Their figures are often not based on their calculations. Do you agree or disagree that it takes six years of study to learn how to adjust mass spectrometry findings to account for variances in things like solar radiation?

The question remains, and making ad homs isn't answering the question. I'll take your silence for your assertion, if you prefer.

 

[BilliardsBall]

The apocrypha was never rejected within the early church nor the CC. In Judaism, we only reject it as not being part of our canon, not because it supposedly is erroneous. The line was drawn prior to the apocrypha largely because of the fear that Hellenized sources could slip into our canon.

Whether they be included or not in anyone's canon, they are definitely worth reading. Luther included them in his first Bible.

What might be the problem with allowing Hellenized sources as canon inside G_d's holy word? Double talk. Not canon means not G_d's holy writ.