Experiencing God

[Cephus]

He has to believe in Christ. Jesus is the only way the truth and the life

You keep dodging the question. Is his Muslim friend, who does not believe in Jesus as anything more than a prophet, deluded in his beliefs?

 

[Mycroft]

I am amazed that so many believers that have had "spiritual" experiences won't share their experiences with others. It ought not surprise me however, as I too have had "spiritual" experiences that I just will not share with anyone. I gather that the telling of such experiences puts one at risk of throwing one's pearls to the swine.

My experience of God has actually brought me to a point where I no longer require faith to believe in God. I am absolutely certain of his existence and presence in my life.

So I guess that leaves me with a question for those who have had God experiences. What do you think it was that you did which enabled you to experience what you experienced? What did you do to invoke God's attention?

Because, deep down, they're worried that it will sound ridiculous. They are right to be worried.

 

[Muffled]

So, he is, in fact deluded.

Correct?

Ciao

- viole

I suspect and believe that you have your facts mixed up. Muslims are not in the habit of asking Jesus to be Lord and Savior.

I believe if you are simply talking about having an experience with God that anyone could have one. I base that on the fact that I had an experience with God before I received Jesus as Lord and Savior.

 

[Muffled]

I believe only salvation in Christ can get you into Heaven if that is what you are asking me

I believe that is a common Christian belief but that it lacks credibility.

I do believe that a person will have to accept Jesus as Savior to get into the physical Kingdom of God.

 

[viole]

I suspect and believe that you have your facts mixed up. Muslims are not in the habit of asking Jesus to be Lord and Savior.

I believe if you are simply talking about having an experience with God that anyone could have one. I base that on the fact that I had an experience with God before I received Jesus as Lord and Savior.

Yes, and my Muslim friend has daily experiences with a childless God Who told Him that believing Him having a son is blasphemous.

So, concerning my friend's experiences, do you think he is deluding Himself, or is it possible that He really had those experiences?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

I believe that is a common Christian belief but that it lacks credibility.

I do believe that a person will have to accept Jesus as Savior to get into the physical Kingdom of God.

Is that valid also for little children who died or people who never heard of Jesus?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Muffled]

Yes, and my Muslim friend has daily experiences with a childless God Who told Him that believing Him having a son is blasphemous.

So, concerning my friend's experiences, do you think he is deluding Himself, or is it possible that He really had those experiences?

Ciao

- viole

I believe that to be correct and Jesus never had a son, so there is no blasphemy except for those deluded people who think Jesus did have a son.

 

[Muffled]

Is that valid also for little children who died or people who never heard of Jesus?

Ciao

- viole

I believe it is valid for everyone.

 

[viole]

I believe that to be correct and Jesus never had a son, so there is no blasphemy except for those deluded people who think Jesus did have a son.

Oh dear. I said God having a son, not Jesus (unless Jesus is God and He is the son of Himself, of course).

So, again, if my muslim friends claims to have experiences of a God (Allah) that has no son whatsoever, is he deluding himself?

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

I believe it is valid for everyone.

Does that mean that at the pearly Gates we will be asked whether we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, before releasing the sentence? I ask because little children and people who never heard of Jesus could not have possibly done that during their lives.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Muffled]

Oh dear. I said God having a son, not Jesus (unless Jesus is God and He is the son of Himself, of course).

So, again, if my muslim friends claims to have experiences of a God (Allah) that has no son whatsoever, is he deluding himself?

Ciao

- viole

I believe that has never been the case that Muslims believe that Jesus is no kind of son. I believe they recognize that Jesus is a creation of God and a son in that sense.

I believe the delusion is that God would not live in a body when that is exactly what He has done in Jesus.

I believe this is impossible. God is a spirit and spirits can't have sons, only physical beings can. Since God resides in Jesus that would give God an opportunity to have a son but He would not do that because it would be too confusing.

 

[Muffled]

Does that mean that at the pearly Gates we will be asked whether we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, before releasing the sentence? I ask because little children and people who never heard of Jesus could not have possibly done that during their lives.

Ciao

- viole

The way the text puts it at the pearly gates a person is offered the robe of righteouness that comes from Jesus and I suppose if a peson needed an explanation he would get one. The person not accepting the robe gets thown out into outer space, which means instant death.

Mat 22:10 And those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was filled with guests.
11 But when the king came in to behold the guests, he saw there a man who had not on a wedding-garment:
12 and he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding-garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then the king said to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and cast him out into the outer darkness; there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth.

 

[viole]

The way the text puts it at the pearly gates a person is offered the robe of righteouness that comes from Jesus and I suppose if a peson needed an explanation he would get one. The person not accepting the robe gets thown out into outer space, which means instant death.

I wonder who would be so silly to refuse that robe once he find himself at the pearly gates.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Muffled]

I wonder who would be so silly to refuse that robe once he find himself at the pearly gates.

Ciao

- viole

I believe Jews are stubborn enough to refuse anything that has to do with Jesus.

For most unbelievers there will be a lie to believe. Aliens just want to reap a harvest to eat us or who is going to believe some voice without real hard evidence.

 

[viole]

I believe Jews are stubborn enough to refuse anything that has to do with Jesus.

For most unbelievers there will be a lie to believe. Aliens just want to reap a harvest to eat us or who is going to believe some voice without real hard evidence.

I am pretty confident that anyone with more than two connected neurons will be happy to accept that robe when faced directly with Jesus, Saint Peter, angels, whatever...after their death. Especially if that robe is washed frequently, as I hope.

I mean, who wouldn't?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Muffled]

I am pretty confident that anyone with more than two connected neurons will be happy to accept that robe when faced directly with Jesus, Saint Peter, angels, whatever...after their death. Especially if that robe is washed frequently, as I hope.

I mean, who wouldn't?

Ciao

- viole

I believe I have noted that people confronted with the truth on rf tend not to acknowledge that truth but resort to silence. I beleive some people prefer the lies.

 

[viole]

I believe I have noted that people confronted with the truth on rf tend not to acknowledge that truth but resort to silence. I beleive some people prefer the lies.

Being confronted with the "truth" in rf without any Jesus showing His face, is a far cry from the same people finding themselves at the Pearly Gates after being dead.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Cephus]

I believe I have noted that people confronted with the truth on rf tend not to acknowledge that truth but resort to silence. I beleive some people prefer the lies.

Exactly how do you know they've been confronted with "the truth" if they don't acknowledge it? Just because *YOU* believe something, that doesn't make it true.

 

[serp777]

I am amazed that so many believers that have had "spiritual" experiences won't share their experiences with others. It ought not surprise me however, as I too have had "spiritual" experiences that I just will not share with anyone. I gather that the telling of such experiences puts one at risk of throwing one's pearls to the swine.

My experience of God has actually brought me to a point where I no longer require faith to believe in God. I am absolutely certain of his existence and presence in my life.

So I guess that leaves me with a question for those who have had God experiences. What do you think it was that you did which enabled you to experience what you experienced? What did you do to invoke God's attention?

Your experiences are no more than a delusion that occurs as a result of neurochemical phenomena. Evolution has conspired to make religious belief and superstitions as well as visions and experiences more probable in humans because religious socities tended to be more ordered and succesful and so only the religious societies that succeeded passed their genes on. Thus we get a lot of people who think they're perfect and that their experiences are 100% true. It requires massive and breathtaking evidence not to be skeptical of the reliability of the human brain and the constant self deception we undergo.

 

[BenTheBeliever]

IMO I think some people prefer not to share their experiences cause they don't like to be mock by people