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The Buddha Explains Universal Mind

YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
ben d said:
Reflect on what you are saying....what is to let go of attachment? ..There is the non-dual reality in the one hand....and the 'I' that is attached on the other....two things! For there to be absolute non-duality, one of these two must disappear....which one? The 'I' that is attached of course! How does the 'I' that is clinging disappear? When the mind ceases thought...the 'I' does not arise in the mind and bingo....pure non-dual awareness is present...

Do you understand....it is the 'you' that is attached or not attached, is clinging or not clinging, that is the cause of duality....it is you who must cease to exist (not permanently of course} for non-duality to be realized....
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Holy dogmatic pigeon-hole, Batman.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
YmirGF said:
In a religious context? Why would I give a crap about a dogmatic religious context, Ben? You asked me for my definition. I told you... and you seek to "correct" me, LOL. That is too rich... Obviously, you cannot fathom what I tried to express. Got the picture?
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Your emotional immaturity get's in the way of your sense of mental balance....the word religion comes from the Latin Re again and Ligio to tie, to connect, to unite...religious practice is one meant to realize union with the Oneness...Tao...Buddha Nature...Brahman...etc... and the context I always use it is in this way.. In case you have never noticed...I am not a follower of any human religious institution....
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Nowhere Man said:
Whenever I walk to my zafu and sit down, I make a distinct realisation that my legs have suddenly dissapeard. There are no more legs. Then I get up and walk away.
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Whenever I consider the concept of Freud's Id... I wonder if it has anything to do with idiot?
 
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Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
YmirGF said:
Holy dogmatic pigeon-hole, Batman.
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No...dogma pal...there is no possibility in all eternity for human self conscious to realize non-duality.... If you think otherwise....please explain the process of how your dualistic mind can become one with the oneness.....or become non-dualistic?
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Nowhere Man said:
So much for dryer sheets.
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Do you understand now why clinging means duality.....just a yes, no, or no comment will suffice...Please no inane irrelevant comment....this forum is not meant for persistent consistent vacuous comments.....one every now and again is tolerable but not every time...thanks Nowhere Man..
 
Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
ben d said:
Do you understand now why clinging means duality.....just a yes, no, or no comment will suffice...Please no inane irrelevant comment....this forum is not meant for persistent consistent vacuous comments.....one every now and again is tolerable but not every time...thanks Nowhere Man..
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Did not realise that you had regarded my commentary in that light.

To clarify, my comments typed out so far remain perfectly revelant and meaningful throughout this forum. To help things a bit, I would advise to stop reading the sentences I write based upon linguistics alone, as at times, sometimes often, I try to encourage people in using their experiential prowess to garner some insight into what I'm trying to illustrate. Otherwise people may imply the term...what was it? Oh yea. A Feruidian based... Idiot. although I actually prefer Zen b***** which at times I have succeeded rather nicely. Maybe I'm reading to much Dogen. Eh. Maybe not.

Truthfully, it's not all that hard to extrapolate any of my "vacuous" commentary so far by just using a little bit of insight based on experience. It's simply not that cryptic like solving a difficult koan or something like that.

I would think a person practicing the dharma would be at least somewhat privy and receptive so far in this regard. Maybe I'm wrong.

My sincere apologies then.

To answer your previous question at the top of your post will be henceforth be revised as,

Clinging does not mean duality. So no.
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Gassho.
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Twilight Hue

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
ben d said:
So what do you consider duality to mean wrt the human mind process?
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The aggregates were explained by others to you by which the phenomina of mind arises.
I need to know first if you consider mind as being the ego, or considered as something other than ego as the question seems too general in scope yet to answer atm.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Nowhere Man said:
The aggregates were explained by others to you by which the phenomina of mind arises.
I need to know first if you consider mind as being the ego, or considered as something other than ego as the question seems too general in scope yet to answer atm.
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The human mind is the human mind...it perceives via the senses and conceives through thought processes....and the mind's identification with these that gives rise to the sense of being I, ego, self... What aspect of the mind's process do you consider dualistic?
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
YmirGF said:
Oh, I see, it is perfectly reasonable for you to assert something, but I must show my proof. Brilliant thinking.
What you probably don't understand is that my current ideas of personality grew out of my period when I was enmeshed in Vaisnava thought.
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I don't care where they came from. All I am asking is that you demonstrate, via argument, that the self is real, as I have argued that it is not. Put it on the table.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
crossfire said:
"Clinging" is longing or attachment, no? The first few verses of the Hsin Hsin Ming refer to letting go of the duality of longing and aversion, no? {attachment/aversion is duality. Letting go of attachment/aversion would then be non-dual in this respect.}
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Who is it that clings?

Who is it that is letting go?
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
YmirGF said:
Hey, there's no better way to sell people on what is supposedly a Buddhist idea than by using the thoughts of a Hindu Swami.
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Good observation! The Buddha himself emerged from Hinduism, didn't he? Were it not for being a Hindu, he might never have become realized as the Buddha.

Vivekenanda's statement is not simply a reflection of his thoughts or beliefs, but an insight into the nature of Reality. If you take the time to actually read and absorb this very cogent statement, you will SEE the veracity of his insight, and realize that it is NOT based upon belief or some superficial passing thought or conjecture. In fact, the statement itself reveals how we see Reality via conceptual thought, as compared to seeing things as they actually are, non-conceptually. Here is the point at which what Vivekenanda sees and what the Buddha sees are one and the same Reality. How can it be any different, if both are seeing correctly?

You consistently attack the pointing finger, rather than to have a close look at that which is pointed to. Are you ready for a shift in consciousness, or do you still prefer the delusions brought about by the dancing cave wall shadows?
 
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