paarsurrey
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Theists and Atheists alike please read the chapters and discuss.
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Because he tried this particular one and he was answered most thoroughly.Why?
We don't need a reading assignment. That's not how conversations work.
Why don't you just begin a debate instead?
19.The Lord said to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, You have seen that from the heavens I have spoken with you.
The statement to Moses is to relate to the people that they have seen that God spoke directly to them. This would explain why they said, after 14 or so verses of "God spoke all these words"The address is to Moses and through Moses indirectly to the Israelites.
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@paarsurrey , the options here are fairly straighforward:The address is to Moses and through Moses indirectly to the Israelites.19.The Lord said to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, You have seen that from the heavens I have spoken with you.
Checkmate!@paarsurrey , the options here are fairly straighforward:So the only thing left to ascertain is whether your persistence is an act of thoughtless trolling or pathetic ignorance. In either case, it serves only to make you appear ludicrous.
- You don't accept the verse as accurate, in which case your thread is nonsensical.
- You believe the verse is accurate and further contend that G-d was commanding Moses to lie to the children of Israel, in which case this thread is really about your curiously disrespectful view of G-d.
- You believe that G-d was being truthful when seeking to remind the children of Israel "that from the heavens I have spoken with you," in which case you have shattered your own premise.
Yes. And what is it addressing?The address is to Moses and through Moses indirectly to the Israelites.
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Yes. And what is it addressing?
What you are saying doesn't make any sense.That neither Moses mentioned from his mouth nor G-d.
It is narrators/scribes/clergy who are telling a story that never happened, neither Word of G-d nor Word of Moses.
Please give ten points from the chapters Exodus 19,20 from the text to establish your viewpoint . Any Jew or non-Jew, please.
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The statement to Moses is to relate to the people that they have seen that God spoke directly to them. This would explain why they said, after 14 or so verses of "God spoke all these words"
They said to Moses, "You speak with us, and we will hear, but let God not speak with us lest we die."
Paar..
The text is clearly indicating that it was a mass revelation, because the people in the crowd knew that something was taking place on the mountain. They witnessed some affect of the Deity. That is why they were waiting for Moses to bring back the messages from G-d.
That's true. Chapter 20 does...the chapter which includes exactly what God said."God spoke all these words"
Chapter 19 does not contain the above words, not even once.
Well, that's how you understand it. The way I understand it, verse 25 indicates that Moses related the warnings which he received from God prior to the verse and which he was directed to relate to the people (in verse 21, "Descend, warn the people"). Otherwise, there is no indication that Moses related that warning to the people.The last verse of the Chapter 19 ends:
19:25. So Moses went down to the people and said [this] to them.
So, it is Moses conveying the message from YHWH to the Jews while the Jews have been stayed away afar down the Mountain.
Chapter 20 only narrates what G-d told Moses on the mountain for Jews, so the Jews got the message the indirect way.