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People who aren't worshipping Jesus, who are they worshipping?

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Since Jesus has all the power of heaven and earth, then who is being worshipped by people who aren't worshipping Jesus?
Also, ''bridging the gap''
If Jesus supposedly 'bridges the gap' between us and ''G-d'', how does that square with Jesus having all the power of heaven, and on earth? Why would Jesus be bridging the gap to another Deity/?/, if He already rules in heaven?
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
Not every religion supports the notion that an 'intercessory' person or a 'bridge' or a 'mediator' is necessary for 'salvation.' Many religions and/or spiritual beliefs teach that one can go 'directly' to the Source, or 'God,' without the need for a 'middle man.' Is that what you mean?
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
This only relates to the Christian belief system, the Christ or you could say also, the Buddha, the Krishna, are all threads of consciousness that runs through all religions, no religion holds the monopoly on this thread. Its only when and one religion believes they and they only hold the truth, that problems arise, for me this is childish and has no place in religion, or true religion, which is of the heart.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Not every religion supports the notion that an 'intercessory' person or a 'bridge' or a 'mediator' is necessary for 'salvation.' Many religions and/or spiritual beliefs teach that one can go 'directly' to the Source, or 'God,' without the need for a 'middle man.' Is that what you mean?
Yes so true, I myself kicked the middle man out years ago lol.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Since Jesus has all the power of heaven and earth, then who is being worshipped by people who aren't worshipping Jesus?
Also, ''bridging the gap''
If Jesus supposedly 'bridges the gap' between us and ''G-d'', how does that square with Jesus having all the power of heaven, and on earth? Why would Jesus be bridging the gap to another Deity/?/, if He already rules in heaven?
Sounds like a Jesus divinity debate?

If its an open ended question, Jesus is not ruler of heaven and earth, His Father is. That is how He can bridge the gap between a christian and the Father by His union with the Father. If He is the Father, there is no gap. Just play on words.

Also,people worship many things and Gods from nature to multiple dieties, Im sure you know. I feel a question missing somewhere.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Since Jesus has all the power of heaven and earth, then who is being worshipped by people who aren't worshipping Jesus?
Also, ''bridging the gap''
If Jesus supposedly 'bridges the gap' between us and ''G-d'', how does that square with Jesus having all the power of heaven, and on earth? Why would Jesus be bridging the gap to another Deity/?/, if He already rules in heaven?

The Carpenter never wanted a crown on His head.
He moved away from such discussion whenever it came up.

I think He spoke of Himself to ....you will see the Son of Man at the right hand of the Father....

That would be a position of high rank and authority.
But that doesn't mean He wears a crown (though it may have come to pass).

He also said of Himself....no one comes to the Father, but by Me....
Again...that rank and authority.

but I suspect He was referring to His teachings more than anything else.
If you make your approach and have not that grace He taught.......

oooops!
 
Since Jesus has all the power of heaven and earth, then who is being worshipped by people who aren't worshipping Jesus?
Also, ''bridging the gap''
If Jesus supposedly 'bridges the gap' between us and ''G-d'', how does that square with Jesus having all the power of heaven, and on earth? Why would Jesus be bridging the gap to another Deity/?/, if He already rules in heaven?
Jesus never asked to be worshipped and doesn't expect to be worshipped. The one who deserves to be worshipped according to the Bible is God the Almighty/Yahweh/Jehovah, whichever title or name you prefer to use.

See Revelation chapters 4 & 5
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Jesus never asked to be worshipped and doesn't expect to be worshipped. The one who deserves to be worshipped according to the Bible is God the Almighty/Yahweh/Jehovah, whichever title or name you prefer to use.

See Revelation chapters 4 & 5
Ehm, have you read the book of Hebrews? Jesus is God, and He isn't an invisible deity that has to be approached by a 'middleman''.

Seriously, does that sort of Deity, really make sense?
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
The Carpenter never wanted a crown on His head.
He moved away from such discussion whenever it came up.

I think He spoke of Himself to ....you will see the Son of Man at the right hand of the Father....

That would be a position of high rank and authority.
But that doesn't mean He wears a crown (though it may have come to pass).

He also said of Himself....no one comes to the Father, but by Me....
Again...that rank and authority.

but I suspect He was referring to His teachings more than anything else.
If you make your approach and have not that grace He taught.......

oooops!
The carpenter. Yes, that carpenter. Or wait, was He a fisherman? Fisherman Carpenter Rabbi? Where does a fisherman carpenter Rabbi attain the authority to which He is the middleman between us and the invisible Deity? Dude, if that scenario looks cool to you, great. But it looks really strange to me. I mean, I'm asking a fisherman, to intercede, between me, and an invisible Deity? What?
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Not every religion supports the notion that an 'intercessory' person or a 'bridge' or a 'mediator' is necessary for 'salvation.' Many religions and/or spiritual beliefs teach that one can go 'directly' to the Source, or 'God,' without the need for a 'middle man.' Is that what you mean?
I don't believe in the middleman concept, no. I worship Jesus as God.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Sounds like a Jesus divinity debate?

If its an open ended question, Jesus is not ruler of heaven and earth, His Father is. That is how He can bridge the gap between a christian and the Father by His union with the Father. If He is the Father, there is no gap. Just play on words.

Also,people worship many things and Gods from nature to multiple dieties, Im sure you know. I feel a question missing somewhere.
Well, in the Bible, it states that Jesus is the ruler of heaven and earth. So, your comment makes sense if we aren't adhering to the Bible. That's great, but that needs to be specified.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
The carpenter. Yes, that carpenter. Or wait, was He a fisherman? Fisherman Carpenter Rabbi? Where does a fisherman carpenter Rabbi attain the authority to which He is the middleman between us and the invisible Deity? Dude, if that scenario looks cool to you, great. But it looks really strange to me. I mean, I'm asking a fisherman, to intercede, between me, and an invisible Deity? What?
I would assume nepotism.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
So in your eyes, 'god' can be both human and divine?
Theoretically, sure, though I tend to of 'Jesus' as divine, and the ''man'' aspect is like secondary. In other words, the ''Deity'' , Jesus, has the aspect of a man, 'teaches', people, so forth, but is not a "Jewish fisherman Rabbi". A deity is not a "Jewish fisherman Rabbi". The man aspect was overplayed by various groups for various reasons.

I'm a Theistic Jesusist, I worship Jesus as God.
 
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