Can someone explain the Trinity please...

[Muffled]

Jesus made it pretty clear. He said, "He who BLIEVES and is baptized shall be saved." (Mark 16:16). Babies are not capable of believing.

Children have no need to be cleansed from sin. They have no sin. Ez. 18:20 tells us we do not inherit sin. We do inherit a fleshly nature, which leads us to sin. When we understand right from wrong, it is then we are held accountable for our wrongdoings.

All children are innocent.

I believed that when I was in High School and the teacher was teaching about original sin but now I believe that a spirit indwelling a child had previous lives in which sin was present and those tendencies are present when the child is born. The difference is that a child has not enough capablitiy to follow its tendencies early on but my daughter was dropping her pants for quarters at age 5 and I certainly didn't teach her that and she didn't learn it on Sesame Street.

 

[Muffled]

God "dictates" nothing. Everything God "says" is filtered through a cultural lens. Therefore, culture very much determines doctrine. The church has always "gone outside" the biblical texts to determine God's will. The possible baptism of small children in the Acts time frame wasn't likely a doctrinal issue, anyway -- it would have been more of a cultural issue.

Culture smulture. I believe the church baptizes infants because it wants to believe children go to Heaven if they die young and don't go to Heaven if they are not baptized. I don't believe either is automatically true. I believe children that die young are given another chance at life because that is what God does unless there is a specific need to do othewise.

 

[JM2C]

What iniquity would that be? These are ones who see themselves as good "Christians" yet Jesus says he has "NEVER" known them. "Never" means "not ever".


Christendom, from its inception has never been recognised by Christ as belonging to him.


The "weeds" of Jesus' parable were sown even before the death of the apostles. It is nothing recent.


Is Christendom one united brotherhood? (1 Cor 1:10) Are they collectively obeying the teachings of the Master?


Do JW's break God's law by being part of this world?


Do they support their nation's wars by endorsing soldiers and chaplains in the armed forces to encourage those who spill innocent blood....even of their own brothers? (John 15:18-21; 1 John 4:20, 21; Isa 2:2-4)


Do we incorporate pagan beliefs and doctrines introduced by an apostate church centuries ago and hold onto them even when their origins have proven to be missing from the scriptures, thereby going against the teachings of Jesus' apostles to "separate" from such things? (2 Cor 6:14-18; 2 Thess 2:9-12)


Are the churches "preaching the good news of the kingdom in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations" before the foretold "end" of the present age? (Matt 24:14; 28:19, 20)


Are they out there "searching" for the "worthy ones" as Jesus instructed? (Matt 10:11-15)


When was the last time a member of Christendom's churches called at your door to offer you the message of the kingdom? (Acts 5:42:20: 20)


When was the last time you went out searching for the lost sheep in order to bring them into the safety of the flock? What flock would that be?


Do the churches even know what the kingdom is and what the good news about it means?


Having come out of Christendom...I can tell you that they are as clueless today as they ever were. How can you preach about something when you have no idea what it is?


From your beliefs, can you please tell us succinctly what the "kingdom" is and what it will accomplish that is "good news" for obedient mankind but bad news for those who aren't?

You thought that by doing all those things you are good in the eyes of the Almighty God . All these are your self-righteousness. This is the right meaning of “ye that work iniquity –Matt 7:23” “all your righteous deeds are like a filthy garment –Isaiah 64:6”

 

[JM2C]

1914-1920......seriously? Those early days were just the beginning of our understanding.

The beginning of your false understanding.

When Daniel foretold the "cleansing, whitening and refining" of God's worshippers in "the time of the end" he was telling us about processes which were going to take place in that period. (Dan 12:4, 9, 10) Just as in the first century, details of the "sacred mystery" did not all come at once. It was an exciting time to read and understand scripture with new eyes....cleansed ones. It was amazing to understand where Christendom had gleaned her doctrines....not from the Bible but from apostate Roman Catholicism....the mother church. The a acorn does not fall far from the tree.


'Cleansing, whitening and refining' are all processes that take time and in those early days, the picture was not clear. As time has progressed, the "light on the path" has illuminated many things, just as the scriptures said. (Prov 4:18)

And from here you guys predicted the end of the world so many times and failed so many times, right?

I have been a Witness of Jehovah now for 43 years and in that time we have had more and more light shed on our path. Unlike Christendom who has not cleansed herself for centuries, we continue to keep on the watch and make adjustments to our understanding as the slave reveals more details.

Jesus is the one who assigned that slave to "feed" his household their "food at the proper time". ( Matt 24:42-47) This suggests that what we need to know will be provided at the time we need to know it.


Who is Christendom's faithful slave? Who feeds Christendom their "food" which is stale and hasn't changed for centuries? Where is their cleansing and refining? Where is their unity? (1 Cor 1:10) Where is their love? (John 13:34, 35)

Counting again your righteous deeds? Everytime you think of your righteous deeds think of Matthew 7:15-23.

 

[katiemygirl]

The Spirit of God does not teach history lessons, nor earthly and wordly wisdom of the physical. It's for the spiritual. Maybe if all realized this, the world would be a better place and instead of a weapon of oppression of literalness and a history lesson... The true Word can be preached to everyone.

Sure He does. He teaches history throughout the Bible, how the universe came into existence, about Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Joshua and most of all JESUS. Without the Bible, we would know nothing of God. We would be left to speculate.

 

[Unification]

Sure He does. He teaches history throughout the Bible, how the universe came into existence, about Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Joshua and most of all JESUS. Without the Bible, we would know nothing of God. We would be left to speculate.

Without the Lord within, we'd know nothing of God. The Christ reveals the Father within, not the bible. It seems to me that the bible is your Lord and Savior and not so much Jesus. Since the Trinity is a strong part of your foundation, you have made it well known that yours is Katiemygirl to the bible to the Father. You're stuck on Jesus being God, but it clearly shows to me that the bible has replaced Jesus for you, and that the bible is more of your God. Scripture doesn't reveal how the world was created. the story of Noah, you still take literally. All of it you take literally. I understand, because I used to as well, and the stories are cute and all, but the Spirit and things of God are much much deeper than that. If you would like to take it all literally, that's fine... But I know that you would find much more peace and bliss discovering the truth and letting the Spirit teach you.

 

[JM2C]

In regards to Moffat's translation I was focused on the term 'young woman/maiden' verse 'virgin'. And you were focused on 'with child'.
The idea that the young maiden in Isaiah day was currently pregnant does not seem likely.

“Currently pregnant” was not the issue but THE “with a child” already is, meaning Immanuel would have been the 2nd child, meaning the woman is not a virgin anymore thus denying the virgin birth in Matthew 1:23.

But I am only basing this one how the NWT translates that verse. "Look! The young woman will become pregnant."

However, there definitely was not a virgin birth back in the initial fulfillment of this prophesy. And the Hebrew word here for 'young woman' is used elsewhere in the Hebrew Scriptures to designate young women both of the virgin and non-virgin varieties. Thus in Hebrew "young woman" is not out of line, but "young woman with child" (as if already with child) may be.

That fact is though, that when this verse was translated into Greek, the Greek word for "virgin" replaced the Hebrew word for "maiden", this is not wrong in that in the final fulfillment, Jesus' mother did not experience sex till after Jesus was born.

As you base your interpretation/alteration from your NWT you did also reference Moffatt’s alteration/adulteration of Isaiah’s 7:14 to strengthen your argument and now you are denying your affiliation to Moffatt’s credibility as one of your main source of interpretation. IOW, if not check Moffatt’s would be a credible source of info for you guys.

 

[katiemygirl]

Without the Lord within, we'd know nothing of God. The Christ reveals the Father within, not the bible. It seems to me that the bible is your Lord and Savior and not so much Jesus. Since the Trinity is a strong part of your foundation, you have made it well known that yours is Katiemygirl to the bible to the Father. You're stuck on Jesus being God, but it clearly shows to me that the bible has replaced Jesus for you, and that the bible is more of your God. Scripture doesn't reveal how the world was created. the story of Noah, you still take literally. All of it you take literally. I understand, because I used to as well, and the stories are cute and all, but the Spirit and things of God are much much deeper than that. If you would like to take it all literally, that's fine... But I know that you would find much more peace and bliss discovering the truth and letting the Spirit teach you.

Psalm 119

9 How can a young man cleanse his way?
By taking heed according to Your word.
10 With my whole heart I have sought You;
Oh, let me not wander from Your commandments!
11 Your word I have hidden in my heart,
That I might not sin against You.
12 Blessed are You, O Lord!
Teach me Your statutes.
13 With my lips I have declared
All the judgments of Your mouth.
14 I have rejoiced in the way of Your testimonies,
As much as in all riches.
15 I will meditate on Your precepts,
And contemplate Your ways.
16 I will delight myself in Your statutes;
I will not forget Your word.

 

[katiemygirl]

I believed that when I was in High School and the teacher was teaching about original sin but now I believe that a spirit indwelling a child had previous lives in which sin was present and those tendencies are present when the child is born. The difference is that a child has not enough capablitiy to follow its tendencies early on but my daughter was dropping her pants for quarters at age 5 and I certainly didn't teach her that and she didn't learn it on Sesame Street.

Oh my! Previous lives? You didn't get that from the Bible!

What a terrible thing to say about your own daughter.

 

[Unification]

Psalm 119

9 How can a young man cleanse his way?
By taking heed according to Your word.
10 With my whole heart I have sought You;
Oh, let me not wander from Your commandments!
11 Your word I have hidden in my heart,
That I might not sin against You.
12 Blessed are You, O Lord!
Teach me Your statutes.
13 With my lips I have declared
All the judgments of Your mouth.
14 I have rejoiced in the way of Your testimonies,
As much as in all riches.
15 I will meditate on Your precepts,
And contemplate Your ways.
16 I will delight myself in Your statutes;
I will not forget Your word.

With your whole heart you seek the bible, not His Word. The bible cleansed you or the Christ? A book cleansed you as opposed to something alive? Who is the Word of God? The Christ is, not the bible. "Your mouth".... The bible isn't speaking to you, it's a book. When you speak words, is it the bible making the sound coming out of your mouth? Do you meditate on the bible or the Lord?
I can give you tons of scripture saying Christ is the intercessor to God and to know God, give me one please where it says the only access and knowing God is the bible. If Christ isn't in you speaking, you have not the Spirit.

You are part of the religion "Biblianity". Not Christianity.

 

[Katzpur]

The only difference with my view that I see in what you wrote is that I would never refer to either the Father, Son or Holy Spirit as "a god." I simply call the Father God, the Son God and the Holy Spirit God. When I say "God bless you," I am referring to the three collectively. I always express God with the capital G because God is a title. There is never a time, in my view, that I think of either of them as "a god." Please understand that I don't speak for any other christian anywhere, not even those in my own congregation. This is how Katie sees it.

Actually, I never think of any of them as "a god" either -- but always as "God." The confusion appears to arise when I hear someone say that there is "one God in three persons." When I say, "Are these three persons divine?" the answer is always "Yes, of course." And then I ask, "But what is a synonym for the phrase 'divine person'?" Obviously a "divine person" is a "god." So you have "three divine persons" constituting "one God." That's agreeable to everyone, but as soon as you say "three gods" constituting "one God," it becomes blasphemy. To me, it's all a matter of nuances in how the words are understood.

When I say Father, Son and Holy Spirit are of the same essence, I am saying they have the same attributes and characteristics.

Then I agree with you completely.

I thought this short piece below reflected my views. The author uses the word "trinity," but other than that, I think we can both agree with what he says.

Since the Son has eternally related to the Father as a Son, He is eternally submissive to the Father. That is why the Son allowed Himself to be sent by the Father into the world. And that is why Jesus said, “My Father is greater than I." This statement by Jesus only refers to the authority structure within the Godhead. It does not refer to any difference between the nature of the Father and the nature of the Son. It is important to stress that Christ’s submission to His Father does not in any way diminish His nature as God the Son. He is equal to the Father in essence. He is to be worshiped and glorified on the same level as the Father. Jesus said that all should honor Him “just as they honor the Father.”

The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have always existed in a structure of relationships. The Father is the Head, then the Son, then the Spirit. These three timeless and equal Persons have positions of authority based on their relationships with each other. This structure of authority is reflected in the family and in the church. Like the Trinity, all the members of the family and in the church have equal value, but not all have the same role. God commands husbands to lead their wives and fathers to lead their families. This does not make them more important than others in the home or the church. As in the Trinity, difference in roles does not negate equality of value and nature.

Amen! That is a perfect explanation of what I believe, too!

We differ here. I don't see the Father or the Holy Spirit existing as physical beings written anywhere in the Bible.

Just to clarify, we don't believe the Holy Spirit to be physical. As a matter of fact, we believe that the reason He is known by that title ("the Holy Spirit") is because His lack of a physical body is what distinguishes Him from the Father and the Son. It is because He is solely spirit that He can both fill the universe and reside within a person's heart. We do believe the Father and the Son to both have physical bodies, though. We can talk about that more if you'd like.

As for the verses you quoted, and the unity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I couldn't agree more.

That's nice to hear.

After reading everything you've written, the only difference I'm seeing in our views is that you see three different physical beings. Would it be unfair of me to say that you believe in the spiritual sense, there is one God, but in the physical sense there are three Gods?

I would say that's a very accurate way of putting it.

Help me to understand your position better and tell me where in the Bible are you getting this view from.

I'll get back to you later on today on this. Meanwhile, could you explain your position with respect to the way in which they are three? I suspect it's not all that different from mine. I know we both believe that Jesus Christ exists as a physical being. I know we both believe that the Holy Spirit does not. I think it's just the Father that we differ on. Am I right about that?

Thanks for the great discussion. I've spent a lot of time learning about JW's so I can speak with them when they come to my door. I'd like to be able to do the same with Mormon folks.

You're welcome. I'm glad we decided to give it a fresh start.

 

[JayJayDee]

You thought that by doing all those things you are good in the eyes of the Almighty God . All these are your self-righteousness. This is the right meaning of “ye that work iniquity –Matt 7:23” “all your righteous deeds are like a filthy garment –Isaiah 64:6”

Hmmm...does that mean that you believe that good works are unnecessary? Are good Christian works all just "filthy" then, so you have an excuse not to do them?
Are you hedging because the religious system you support has very little to show for the "works" that must accompany the professed faith?
If "faith without works is dead".....where does that leave Christendom? (James 2:18-26)

The "works" that they should be renowned for are those advocated by Jesus....where is the "witness" of the churches? (Matt 10:11-15) They are strangely silent, whilst Jehovah's people are known the world over for being out in their preaching work in every nation. (Matt 24:14; 28:19, 20)
Who are "doing the will of the Father" by following through on the commands of his son, rather than just talking about it?
The truth is, this work cannot be done on a global scale by Christendom because there is no unity of belief there, nor is there any will on the part of the people to carry out the assignment. No one knows what the kingdom is, so how can they preach about it? It can only be done with the backing of Jehovah's holy spirit.

When was the last time any church member called at your door to offer you the "good news of the kingdom"? (Acts 5:42; 20:20) In my experience the answer is "never".

 

[Kolibri]

Hmmm...does that mean that you believe that good works are unnecessary? Are good Christian works all just "filthy" then, so you have an excuse not to do them?
Are you hedging because the religious system you support has very little to show for the "works" that must accompany the professed faith?
If "faith without works is dead".....where does that leave Christendom? (James 2:18-26)

The "works" that they should be renowned for are those advocated by Jesus....where is the "witness" of the churches? (Matt 10:11-15) They are strangely silent, whilst Jehovah's people are known the world over for being out in their preaching work in every nation. (Matt 24:14; 28:19, 20)
Who are "doing the will of the Father" by following through on the commands of his son, rather than just talking about it?
The truth is, this work cannot be done on a global scale by Christendom because there is no unity of belief there, nor is there any will on the part of the people to carry out the assignment. No one knows what the kingdom is, so how can they preach about it? It can only be done with the backing of Jehovah's holy spirit.

When was the last time any church member called at your door to offer you the "good news of the kingdom"? (Acts 5:42; 20:20) In my experience the answer is "never".

I have heard of individuals from these churches going around, but I've not experienced it either. @katiemygirl has mentioned knocking on doors but I do not remember her stated theme, or if this was a personal endeavor or an organizational one.

I opened the door to a few Mormons, but they preach "another testament of Jesus Christ" and last I was informed the kingdom is the church or the church hierarchy - I do not remember which. Also, I do not remember the kingdom or the good news associated with it being a focus. Again, just my personal experience.

I think @JM2C is correct that not all people who think they are doing good are in fact doing good. Mt 7:21 qualifies good things as "doing the will of my Father." Are we doing the will of Jesus' father? That is no reason for self-boasting, but the facts remain. Either we are or we are not...and there will be some that are.

I fear though that saying we are filthy by preaching the good news of the kingdom far and wide is like telling Jesus that he expelled demons by means of Beelzebub. If we are in truth clean and doing a work that can only be accomplished by means of Jehovah's holy spirit, then that becomes dangerous talk if persisted. Reprove us for boasting, or reprove us for what we do that is not required of us. But do not reprove us for doing the will of Jesus' father. That is just counterproductive and reminds us of 2 Peter 3:3,4 and Mt 5:10.

 

[katiemygirl]

"Katzpur, post: 4169244, member: 2540"]Actually, I never think of any of them as "a god" either -- but always as "God." The confusion appears to arise when I hear someone say that there is "one God in three persons." When I say, "Are these three persons divine?" the answer is always "Yes, of course." And then I ask, "But what is a synonym for the phrase 'divine person'?" Obviously a "divine person" is a "god." So you have "three divine persons" constituting "one God." That's agreeable to everyone, but as soon as you say "three gods" constituting "one God," it becomes blasphemy. To me, it's all a matter of nuances in how the words are understood.

God is three persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God is divine. When I use the title "God," it is in reference to the Godhead.

Three Gods would be blasphemy because the Bible repeatedly states there is one God.

I agree that nuances in the way words are understood causes more confusion.

We do believe the Father and the Son to both have physical bodies, though. We can talk about that more if you'd like.

I would like any Bible reference that causes you to believe the Father has a physical body. You already know how I feel about going outside the Bible. That's a topic for another thread, and I seriously doubt either of us would change how we view it. But if you have Bible verses, please share.

I'll get back to you later on today on this. Meanwhile, could you explain your position with respect to the way in which they are three? I suspect it's not all that different from mine. I know we both believe that Jesus Christ exists as a physical being. I know we both believe that the Holy Spirit does not. I think it's just the Father that we differ on. Am I right about that?

Yes, Jesus did have a physical body. It's the Father we disagree about.

The Godhead is three distinct persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I say persons because each speaks, has a will, loves, grieves, etc. The Father is not the same person as the Son. The Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not the same person as the Father. They are not three Gods. They are three distinct persons, yet all are the one true God. They have separate functions yet each is creator, each indwells christians and each was involved in Jesus' resurrection. Each is all knowing; each is everywhere, each has a will, each speaks, and each searches the heart.

I came across this and thought it was very good.

The Father creates a plan, Jesus Christ implements the plan, and the Holy Spirit administers the plan.

I really believe God is incomprehensible. He is greater than my mind can conceive. How it all works is truly beyond me. But I keep trying to understand. Each time I read and study the Bible, I feel like another door has been opened for me. I'll keep plugging along till the day I die.

My Mom, bless her heart, had such great faith in God. She passed away at 94 1/2 years old, and all but the last week of her life, she read her Bible daily, and prayed. She was in a nursing home the last four years of her life, and the staff would always comment about her faithfulness. She was a wonderful christian witness and role model for everyone who came in contact with her.

 

[sojourner]

However I believe it was still believers baptism and a baby has no beliefs.

What you believe isn't at issue. What is historical is the issue.

 

[katiemygirl]

With your whole heart you seek the bible, not His Word. The bible cleansed you or the Christ? A book cleansed you as opposed to something alive? Who is the Word of God? The Christ is, not the bible. "Your mouth".... The bible isn't speaking to you, it's a book. When you speak words, is it the bible making the sound coming out of your mouth? Do you meditate on the bible or the Lord?
I can give you tons of scripture saying Christ is the intercessor to God and to know God, give me one please where it says the only access and knowing God is the bible. If Christ isn't in you speaking, you have not the Spirit.

You are part of the religion "Biblianity". Not Christianity.

Romans 10:17
17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

 

[Unification]

Romans 10:17
17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

What are you hearing, you are reading?

Romans 10:17
17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Hearing, it does. Reading... No. Word, "logos".... Thoughts of God, verbal utterance by God, by a living voice.

Come, let us reason together, says the Lord. Higher are His thoughts than your thoughts.

How can one reason with the Lord and hear the Word? Within... Where the Lord dwells.

Ever get thoughts in your head? They are yours. Ever wonder who is listening to you think? the Spirit?

Ever wonder what would happen if you were "still" and meditated on the Lord? Make the sun and moon stand still? Shutting your mind of everything, closing it completely off..... And being patient and waiting for a response. It comes. Not by reading. The Lord has a plan for each and every one of us and we will never find it in the bible.

Until then, the own will and falsity is done.

 

[JayJayDee]

I have heard of individuals from these churches going around, but I've not experienced it either. @katiemygirl has mentioned knocking on doors but I do not remember her stated theme, or if this was a personal endeavor or an organizational one.

Some local endeavors by some local churches is commendable but it is not what Jesus said would be done. The good news was to be preached globally, "in all the inhabited earth" with one united message for all. (Matt 24:14) And since the theme of the preaching had to be "the kingdom", it seems strange indeed that those in Christendom have no idea what it is. Ask six different people and you get six vague answers.

This is the only "witness" that people will be given before "the end comes". No time to make excuses. This is crunch time.

I opened the door to a few Mormons, but they preach "another testament of Jesus Christ" and last I was informed the kingdom is the church or the church hierarchy - I do not remember which. Also, I do not remember the kingdom or the good news associated with it being a focus. Again, just my personal experience.

American Mormons used to call quite regularly here, but they don't come anymore. I don't know why. I did hear that they have pulled back their overseas missionaries somewhat in favor of the Internet. But I am amazed that they don't seem to preach locally. They don't call on their own non-Mormon neighbors, which I find rather strange. Jesus preached to his own people even though they thought that they were already "God's people".

I used to enjoy speaking with these young people because many of them were questioning and a couple of them came to our meeting. We did not see them again even though they said they enjoyed it very much. They stayed behind afterward for ages asking questions and said they would like to come again. Maybe they got into trouble.

I think @JM2C is correct that not all people who think they are doing good are in fact doing good. Mt 7:21 qualifies good things as "doing the will of my Father." Are we doing the will of Jesus' father? That is no reason for self-boasting, but the facts remain. Either we are or we are not...and there will be some that are.

Sorry if I appeared to be boasting....I was just stating a fact. My Aussie directness again perhaps. I just tell it like it is.
I don't see anyone else doing what we do in obedience to Jesus' commands on the scale that he said it would be done. If they did who could make a distinction between the ones doing the will of the Father and those only talking about it?

It was seeing this (amongst many other things) with my own eyes that made me realize who the true Christians were. This is no flash-in-the pan.....we have been doing this work now for 100 years without let-up. Who else can say that? Not boasting, just stating facts. It is God's will that it be done and the fact is, it is all due to the power of God's spirit. If we boast in Jehovah, that is perfectly acceptable. (Jer 9:24; 2 Cor 10:17)

I fear though that saying we are filthy by preaching the good news of the kingdom far and wide is like telling Jesus that he expelled demons by means of Beelzebub. If we are in truth clean and doing a work that can only be accomplished by means of Jehovah's holy spirit, then that becomes dangerous talk if persisted. Reprove us for boasting, or reprove us for what we do that is not required of us. But do not reprove us for doing the will of Jesus' father. That is just counterproductive and reminds us of 2 Peter 3:3,4 and Mt 5:10.

Indeed. The work was not a recommendation or an option...it was a command.

 

[katiemygirl]

What are you hearing, you are reading?


Hearing, it does. Reading... No. Word, "logos".... Thoughts of God, verbal utterance by God, by a living voice.

Come, let us reason together, says the Lord. Higher are His thoughts than your thoughts.

How can one reason with the Lord and hear the Word? Within... Where the Lord dwells.

Ever get thoughts in your head? They are yours. Ever wonder who is listening to you think? the Spirit?

Ever wonder what would happen if you were "still" and meditated on the Lord? Make the sun and moon stand still? Shutting your mind of everything, closing it completely off..... And being patient and waiting for a response. It comes. Not by reading. The Lord has a plan for each and every one of us and we will never find it in the bible.

Until then, the own will and falsity is done.

Your disrespect for God's word has forced me to put you on ignore. Sorry.

 

[Unification]

Some local endeavors by some local churches is commendable but it is not what Jesus said would be done. The good news was to be preached globally, "in all the inhabited earth" with one united message for all. (Matt 24:14) And since the theme of the preaching had to be "the kingdom", it seems strange indeed that those in Christendom have no idea what it is. Ask six different people and you get six vague answers.

This is the only "witness" that people will be given before "the end comes". No time to make excuses. This is crunch time.



American Mormons used to call quite regularly here, but they don't come anymore. I don't know why. I did hear that they have pulled back their overseas missionaries somewhat in favor of the Internet. But I am amazed that they don't seem to preach locally. They don't call on their own non-Mormon neighbors, which I find rather strange. Jesus preached to his own people even though they thought that they were already "God's people".

I used to enjoy speaking with these young people because many of them were questioning and a couple of them came to our meeting. We did not see them again even though they said they enjoyed it very much. They stayed behind afterward for ages asking questions and said they would like to come again. Maybe they got into trouble.



Sorry if I appeared to be boasting....I was just stating a fact. My Aussie directness again perhaps. I just tell it like it is.
I don't see anyone else doing what we do in obedience to Jesus' commands on the scale that he said it would be done. If they did who could make a distinction between the ones doing the will of the Father and those only talking about it?

It was seeing this (amongst many other things) with my own eyes that made me realize who the true Christians were. This is no flash-in-the pan.....we have been doing this work now for 100 years without let-up. Who else can say that? Not boasting, just stating facts. It is God's will that it be done and the fact is, it is all due to the power of God's spirit. If we boast in Jehovah, that is perfectly acceptable. (Jer 9:24; 2 Cor 10:17)



Indeed. The work was not a recommendation or an option...it was a command.

Some local endeavors by some local churches is commendable but it is not what Jesus said would be done. The good news was to be preached globally, "in all the inhabited earth" with one united message for all. (Matt 24:14) And since the theme of the preaching had to be "the kingdom", it seems strange indeed that those in Christendom have no idea what it is. Ask six different people and you get six vague answers.

This is the only "witness" that people will be given before "the end comes". No time to make excuses. This is crunch time.



American Mormons used to call quite regularly here, but they don't come anymore. I don't know why. I did hear that they have pulled back their overseas missionaries somewhat in favor of the Internet. But I am amazed that they don't seem to preach locally. They don't call on their own non-Mormon neighbors, which I find rather strange. Jesus preached to his own people even though they thought that they were already "God's people".

I used to enjoy speaking with these young people because many of them were questioning and a couple of them came to our meeting. We did not see them again even though they said they enjoyed it very much. They stayed behind afterward for ages asking questions and said they would like to come again. Maybe they got into trouble.



Sorry if I appeared to be boasting....I was just stating a fact. My Aussie directness again perhaps. I just tell it like it is.
I don't see anyone else doing what we do in obedience to Jesus' commands on the scale that he said it would be done. If they did who could make a distinction between the ones doing the will of the Father and those only talking about it?

It was seeing this (amongst many other things) with my own eyes that made me realize who the true Christians were. This is no flash-in-the pan.....we have been doing this work now for 100 years without let-up. Who else can say that? Not boasting, just stating facts. It is God's will that it be done and the fact is, it is all due to the power of God's spirit. If we boast in Jehovah, that is perfectly acceptable. (Jer 9:24; 2 Cor 10:17)



Indeed. The work was not a recommendation or an option...it was a command.

Systematically manipulating people by strategical and planned brain wash is not serving God. Fear and Armageddon, and control and Jesus coming to destroy humans' is not of God. You have no idea what it means to "watch." I now see where your conditioned mind comes. They really got a hold of you. I respect the ambition, but with your controlling agenda, and trained psychogical methods of trying to convert someone into apostacy, along with claiming everything else is demonic besides your religion, it's in vain. Vanity under the sun. If you used that intelligent mind of yours to be taught in truth, and applying the same ambition.... You truly would be doing God's will and a true laborer. It's all planned, acted out, strategically planned..... No genuine or pure intent there.
Or did you not know that anything done in vain and not of a pure and genuine heart does not count as being sewn?
Being a female, you are condescended upon by your own religion wearing a covering and all. . And you are still brainwashed into trying to reason and justify it being correct. That makes Jehovah a respector or persons, which Christiandom created.
This is nothing against you, the Spirit within me truly is sorrowed for the Lord's children being brainwashed and under doctrine of mankind.