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Is Intellectual Honesty a Religious Virtue?

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Do any of the world's religions explicitly uphold intellectual honesty as a virtue? If so, please quote where they do that, or explain how and in what manner they do that. Also, why they do that? That is, what value or values do they see in intellectual honesty.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
Do any of the world's religions explicitly uphold intellectual honesty as a virtue? If so, please quote where they do that, or explain how and in what manner they do that. Also, why they do that? That is, what value or values do they see in intellectual honesty.
I think all of them, in their most scholarly forms, appreciate the intellectual honesty of others, and so do hold it as virtuous (inherent of man). I can't say if they appreciate intellectual honesty in itself, especially where, in itself, it is not a thing.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
Interesting question. I think that faith (in the religious context) is essentially incompatible with intellectual honesty. So I would see the faith based religions as being problematic in terms of intellectual honesty. Intellectual honesty seems dependant on being able to critically analyse our views and beliefs - faith excludes such critical analysis.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Do any of the world's religions explicitly uphold intellectual honesty as a virtue? If so, please quote where they do that, or explain how and in what manner they do that. Also, why they do that? That is, what value or values do they see in intellectual honesty.

I can think of a couple immediately that makes a point of avoiding it, even if they don't put it quite in those words.

Intellectual honesty is however valued by most true Dharmic religions. IMO it is made that much more explicit in the Buddhist concept of the Noble Eightfold Path, which as it turns out begin with "Right View", followed by "Right Intention".

Why? Because we have no honest or effective choice, really. How else could we hope to deserve and build each other's trust and cooperation?
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
I don't see why traditions which place heavy emphasis on truth, honesty, honor, knowledge, etc. would make exceptions for intellectual honesty.

It's easy to find reference to that all over various religious traditions. How far people carry it and how well they keep to the road is a whole 'nother thing.
 

lovemuffin

τὸν ἄρτον τοῦ ἔρωτος
Interesting question. I think that faith (in the religious context) is essentially incompatible with intellectual honesty. So I would see the faith based religions as being problematic in terms of intellectual honesty. Intellectual honesty seems dependant on being able to critically analyse our views and beliefs - faith excludes such critical analysis.

"Faith" in the Christian tradition should be taken as meaning something more than just an epistemological category, i.e "belief without evidence". This requires a lot of elaboration but I'd point at authors from Paul Tillich to Gregory of Nyssa in support of the assertion.

I'm not sure about finding writing on "intellectual honesty" as a virtue in a modern way in ancient Christian writing, but I think honesty in a general sense, and humility which should extend to the epistemic, is found obliquely at least all over the place. Saint Augustine on the interpretation of Genesis is kind of amusing:

It not infrequently happens that something about the earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon, about the passage of years and seasons, about the nature of animals, of fruits, of stones, and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are. In view of this and in keeping it in mind constantly while dealing with the book of Genesis, I have, insofar as I was able, explained in detail and set forth for consideration the meanings of obscure passages, taking care not to affirm rashly some one meaning to the prejudice of another and perhaps better explanation

He is certainly saying that where reasoning or experience contradicts a simple interpretation, the interpretation should yield. Regardless of tradition, I don't think intellectual honesty is at all incompatible with a Christian worldview.
 

mainliner

no one can de-borg my fact's ...NO-ONE!!
Intellectual honesty is an awareness of the truth ....... Which is good in my eyes .

this means they're intelligent enough to realize there not :)
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
"Faith" in the Christian tradition should be taken as meaning something more than just an epistemological category, i.e "belief without evidence". This requires a lot of elaboration but I'd point at authors from Paul Tillich to Gregory of Nyssa in support of the assertion.

I'm not sure about finding writing on "intellectual honesty" as a virtue in a modern way in ancient Christian writing, but I think honesty in a general sense, and humility which should extend to the epistemic, is found obliquely at least all over the place. Saint Augustine on the interpretation of Genesis is kind of amusing:



He is certainly saying that where reasoning or experience contradicts a simple interpretation, the interpretation should yield.
Yes, and that is clearly intellectually dishonest - reason is rejected over interpreration of scripture.
Regardless of tradition, I don't think intellectual honesty is at all incompatible with a Christian worldview.
No, but it is incompatible with faith.
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I hate to sound dumb, but what is "intellectual" honesty? What do you mean by that?

Do any of the world's religions explicitly uphold intellectual honesty as a virtue? If so, please quote where they do that, or explain how and in what manner they do that. Also, why they do that? That is, what value or values do they see in intellectual honesty.
 

lovemuffin

τὸν ἄρτον τοῦ ἔρωτος
No, but it is incompatible with faith.

I disagree. As I said, I suspect the disagreement has to do with how the word is understood. That is, I suspect you are equating faith with "belief without evidence" in a purely epistemological way, in which case I can understand why you consider that incompatible with intellectual honesty, although I think even in that sense it could be argued that one can have faith in full honest awareness of the intellectual status of that belief. But in any case, I think that definition does a poor job of encompassing the religious idea of faith.

All of that said, I don't actually know exactly why you hold faith to be incompatible with intellectual honesty, so perhaps you could elaborate.
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
Intellectual honesty is an applied method of problem solving, characterized by an unbiased, honest attitude, which can be demonstrated in a number of different ways:
  • One's personal beliefs do not interfere with the pursuit of truth;
  • Relevant facts and information are not purposefully omitted even when such things may contradict one's hypothesis;
  • Facts are presented in an unbiased manner, and not twisted to give misleading impressions or to support one view over another;
  • References, or earlier work, are acknowledged where possible, and plagiarism is avoided.
Source
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I hate to sound dumb, but what is "intellectual" honesty? What do you mean by that?

By my understanding, it is being sincere and clear to the best of our abilities when it comes to the ideas we hold and defend.
 

Thana

Lady
Do any of the world's religions explicitly uphold intellectual honesty as a virtue? If so, please quote where they do that, or explain how and in what manner they do that. Also, why they do that? That is, what value or values do they see in intellectual honesty.

I imagine most of them do. They praise wisdom and honesty but you think for some reason they'd exclude intellectual honesty? A strange theory.
 

gsa

Well-Known Member
I disagree. As I said, I suspect the disagreement has to do with how the word is understood. That is, I suspect you are equating faith with "belief without evidence" in a purely epistemological way, in which case I can understand why you consider that incompatible with intellectual honesty, although I think even in that sense it could be argued that one can have faith in full honest awareness of the intellectual status of that belief. But in any case, I think that definition does a poor job of encompassing the religious idea of faith.

All of that said, I don't actually know exactly why you hold faith to be incompatible with intellectual honesty, so perhaps you could elaborate.


Perhaps some faiths can be held with intellectual honesty. Even allegorical or metaphorical versions of Christianity and Islam might meet this standard. In most cases however, "evidence" of belief consists of fabrication, distortion and cheap debate tricks twisted to justify belief. This is the polar opposite of intellectual honesty.
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
I disagree. As I said, I suspect the disagreement has to do with how the word is understood. That is, I suspect you are equating faith with "belief without evidence"
Yes, I do so because that is how the bible defines faith.
in a purely epistemological way, in which case I can understand why you consider that incompatible with intellectual honesty, although I think even in that sense it could be argued that one can have faith in full honest awareness of the intellectual status of that belief. But in any case, I think that definition does a poor job of encompassing the religious idea of faith.
Well the biblical definition is poor, sure - but it is all we have.
All of that said, I don't actually know exactly why you hold faith to be incompatible with intellectual honesty, so perhaps you could elaborate.
Well belief without evidence is not intellectually honest - it is not a position that can be critically analysed. Faith beliefs are not drawn from knowledge, evidence or critical analysis - and are hence not intellectually hnest.
 

lovemuffin

τὸν ἄρτον τοῦ ἔρωτος
Yes, I do so because that is how the bible defines faith. Well the biblical definition is poor, sure - but it is all we have.

It's not at all clear to me why you would believe the Bible is all we have. I might argue about the Biblical understanding more later (I'm not sure it's at all correct to read Greek philosophical ideas about knowledge into it), but the first problem seems more pressing.

Perhaps some faiths can be held with intellectual honesty. Even allegorical or metaphorical versions of Christianity and Islam might meet this standard. In most cases however, "evidence" of belief consists of fabrication, distortion and cheap debate tricks twisted to justify belief. This is the polar opposite of intellectual honesty.

We need to distinguish between "faith" and the content of a specific faith, i.e a set of doctrines. I'm talking about the former. I think it is likely true that there is no intellectually honest way to claim to have knowledge of certain religious dogmas.

I'm off to bed but I do intend to try to make some of this more detailed
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Do any of the world's religions explicitly uphold intellectual honesty as a virtue? If so, please quote where they do that, or explain how and in what manner they do that. Also, why they do that? That is, what value or values do they see in intellectual honesty.
  • One's personal beliefs do not interfere with the pursuit of truth;
  • Relevant facts and information are not purposefully omitted even when such things may contradict one's hypothesis;
  • Facts are presented in an unbiased manner, and not twisted to give misleading impressions or to support one view over another;
  • References, or earlier work, are acknowledged where possible, and plagiarism is avoided.
Gosh, I don't know. Every popular faith I know has at least one of those definitions you posted. Cultural faiths probably have more of a humble approach. /Exnayz out the Doore/ Guess this isnt my convo..
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
It's not at all clear to me why you would believe the Bible is all we have.
It is not clear to me why you are obfuscating. The bible is the difinitive source for defining faith within the context of Christianity.
I might argue about the Biblical understanding more later (I'm not sure it's at all correct to read Greek philosophical ideas about knowledge into it), but the first problem seems more pressing.



We need to distinguish between "faith" and the content of a specific faith, i.e a set of doctrines. I'm talking about the former. I think it is likely true that there is no intellectually honest way to claim to have knowledge of certain religious dogmas.
Exactly.
I'm off to bed but I do intend to try to make some of this more detailed
 
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