Faith in Christ is Completely Logical

[McBell]

This thread is a catastrophy

 

[Serenity7855]

Good thing we are not holding our breath waiting for you to address the arguments.

And there was me hoping you were. How disappointing. Who is "we". Are you posting on behalf of a group or do you post here for yourself, or do you think you speak for other posters presuming that they will agree with you, or do you use the word "we" to intimidate posters by think that they are being bullied? Which one is it?

 

[Serenity7855]

Are you ever going to address the arguments?

Yes, when you stop posting on this forum. I wait with baited breath

 

[Serenity7855]

What would this forum be like without you, oh yes, splendiferous!

If anyone thinks that the thread is a catastrophe then why would they be posting on it? Not that it isn't a catastrophe since the arrival of Shad, intentional, i am sure, but why would you post here if you thought it were a catastrophe? I wouldn't.

 

[Shad]

Same reply applies. I do not value your opinions so anything dishonestly and falsely said about my person is irrelevant to me. I know different and I know that you are a troll

Yes it is so dishonest when someone fact checks another's claims and finds out the claims are BS. So trollish fact-checking is.

When I am talking to someone I to use the quotes, within which is the exact person name to whom I am addressing. When I am talking in general I do not use the quotes but I address my post to "everyone" or "to whom it may concern" so that there cannot be any mistake to whom I am talking to. It is just a matter of being polite and exact. I have never had a single complaint using that method in the five years I have been debating. Could that be that I have never conversed with someone quite as pernickety as you are or is it a narcissistic trait? [/quote]

I followed the quote system as well. When I didn't quote I thought it would be obvious that I am speaking to a general audience. Rather than asking for clarification you create some sort of idea in your head in which you can further play the victim.

[/quote]Please be aware. I am in the UK. Our education system is superior in many ways to that of Canada because it has, or had, a different structure. I went to university in 1995 as well. I left Secondary Mondern in 1970. Lastly, there is no such thing as "post-secondary institutions" in Great Britain. [/quote]

So what? You could of easily looked up what post-secondary means. It is not like the definition is not the first result. Amazing you can use google to find "claims" to support your religion yet you can not do the same unless it is has a positive result for you only.

If you did not use so many ad hominems and not try quite so desperately to dishonestly discredit and ridicule me, I would not complain, but your post is riddled with very odiously malicious and churlish grandiloquence so I feel that i need to draw attention to it for the sake of other posters that you may come into contact with. You need to remove that chip from your shoulder and start to talk to christians, in particular, with a higher degree of courtesy and decorum. May be a course on anger management may be of benefit to you?

If you fact-checked what you linked there would of been no evidence from which to evaluate your lack of abilities. You put your foot in your mouth, I am just pointing this out. Ty not to get upset, you may bite off a toe.

Still dodging and whining I see.

 

[Serenity7855]

Yes it is so dishonest when someone fact checks another's claims and finds out the claims are BS. So trollish fact-checking is.

What facts do you refer to. I gave two separate links to articles to demonstrate that there is every possibility that God has written upon the hearts of men but a possibility can not be construed as a fact, though you may wish for that in order to continue your hate filled campaign against Christians by discrediting them. One only needs to take a cursory look at your post to christians to see what you agenda is. You are a blight to this forum.

I followed the quote system as well. When I didn't quote I thought it would be obvious that I am speaking to a general audience. Rather than asking for clarification you create some sort of idea in your head in which you can further play the victim.

Why would you think that when you have not addressed anybody in your post? Who on earth are you talking to? The previous poster or anyone?

Please be aware. I am in the UK. Our education system is superior in many ways to that of Canada because it has, or had, a different structure. I went to university in 1995 as well. I left Secondary Mondern in 1970. Lastly, there is no such thing as "post-secondary institutions" in Great Britain.

So what? You could of easily looked up what post-secondary means. It is not like the definition is not the first result. Amazing you can use google to find "claims" to support your religion yet you can not do the same unless it is has a positive result for you only.

Why would I do that when I am fully aware that our last 5 years of formal education is undertaken in a school called a secondary modern school.

As for my abiliabilities in Googling, the Internet is full of accurate and concise facts and knowledge used by professors and students alike. It is a adequate source of reference and only a narcissist would consider that he/she has a greater source of knowledge then is freely available on the Internet. That I use google, like you and everyone else on here, is my prerogative. We are all messengers on here. You may think that you wrote the message but every morsel of knowledge you possess, limited as it maybe, has been written or voiced by someone else. What is crucial is to have the wisdom, experience and intellect to be able to put that knowledge into practice. I developed the first ever vertically mounted refrigeration condenser saving the inductry millions on fuel, and live happily off the royalties, by using my wisdom, what have you achieved, other then frightening christians away from forum like this one with confusing and overly complex logical fallacies that are used just to frustrate those who have not been educated in a unproductive and unnecessary field of education thus stifling honest debate by bring the thread to a Holt because of logical fallacies. A very destructive tool of Satan's

If you fact-checked what you linked there would of been no evidence from which to evaluate your lack of abilities. You put your foot in your mouth, I am just pointing this out. Ty not to get upset, you may bite off a toe.

There was no need to fact check the article as I was not presenting a fact, I was demonstrating the possibility that God has written his laws on our heart, regardless as to whether the heart remembers previous owners or that it acts in the same way as the brain, the research is being conducted and scientists are publishing peer reviewed papers on it. By being so ultra pernickety you have created unnecessary animosity and have levied some horrendous personal attacks on my abilities, honesty, experience and knowledge in order to exalt yourself in front of your audience, of like minded antagonists. We christians have your card marked and know exactly who you are and what your modus operandi is. You fool none of us.

Still dodging and whining I see.

Why do you find insults and offense so edifying. Was there any need to write this tripe. It only serves to demean yourself and present you for who you are, a TROLL.

Play the

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[Shad]

What facts do you refer to. I gave two separate links to articles to demonstrate that there is every possibility that God has written upon the hearts of men but a possibility can not be construed as a fact, though you may wish for that in order to continue your hate filled campaign against Christians by discrediting them. One only needs to take a cursory look at your post to christians to see what you agenda is. You are a blight to this forum.

Links which didn't support your ad hoc rationalization. You should of read more careful instead of falling all over your confirmation bias. You made this thread as a challenge but cry wolf as soon as someone challenges you. I have no need to discredit Christians as I am only dealing with you. Other do not make the same claims you do nor play the victim when someone fulfills the a challenge to them.

Why would you think that when you have not addressed anybody in your post? Who on earth are you talking to? The previous poster or anyone?

Why? Since it was a general statement. Why would I make a general state which was address to an individual? You make no sense at all.

Why would I do that when I am fully aware that our last 5 years of formal education is undertaken in a school called a secondary modern school.

"Lastly, there is no such thing as "post-secondary institutions" in Great Britain."

First you do not know what it is. I tell you, now you know what is it while claims you always knew. Again making no sense here.

As for my abiliabilities in Googling, the Internet is full of accurate and concise facts and knowledge used by professors and students alike. It is a adequate source of reference and only a narcissist would consider that he/she has a greater source of knowledge then is freely available on the Internet. That I use google, like you and everyone else on here, is my prerogative. We are all messengers on here. You may think that you wrote the message but every morsel of knowledge you possess, limited as it maybe, has been written or voiced by someone else. What is crucial is to have the wisdom, experience and intellect to be able to put that knowledge into practice. I developed the first ever vertically mounted refrigeration condenser saving the inductry millions on fuel, and live happily off the royalties, by using my wisdom, what have you achieved, other then frightening christians away from forum like this one with confusing and overly complex logical fallacies that are used just to frustrate those who have not been educated in a unproductive and unnecessary field of education thus stifling honest debate by bring the thread to a Holt because of logical fallacies. A very destructive tool of Satan's

It is also full of BS. Unfortunately you are unable to comb fact from BS if BS supports your religion. You never learned how to do proper research hence why you linked articles rather than actual studies. You do not have the "wisdom" nor knowledge of proper research. I doubt you developed anything. It also has no bearing on the matter since you are talking about engineering, no scientific research. You misapply your expertise as if means anything other than a boost to your ego.

Say the one that doesn't know what a fallacy is.... Come back when you have finished logic 101.

There was no need to fact check the article as I was not presenting a fact, I was demonstrating the possibility that God has written his laws on our heart, regardless as to whether the heart remembers previous owners or that it acts in the same way as the brain, the research is being conducted and scientists are publishing peer reviewed papers on it. By being so ultra pernickety you have created unnecessary animosity and have levied some horrendous personal attacks on my abilities, honesty, experience and knowledge in order to exalt yourself in front of your audience, of like minded antagonists. We christians have your card marked and know exactly who you are and what your modus operandi is. You fool none of us.

Ah so you do not even know if it was fact or BS. Who cares right as long as it supports your religious bias. Hilarious. A demonstration is factual not BS. Nice contradiction you have here. Link the studies, do not just assume someone has studies as they claim. I made the effort you should have and found the articles to be BS based on quote-mining.

Why do you find insults and offense so edifying. Was there any need to write this tripe. It only serves to demean yourself and present you for who you are, a TROLL.

Pot meet kettle. You make the same statements but back by nothing except your bias and bigotry toward anyone that disagrees. You have become emotional over your exposer as a hack.

The only parts of my comments you respond to are the parts which trigger emotional. Likewise it is the only thing I have available to respond to. You become overly emotional and become focused on the source of your outrage and embarassment. For almost 3 pages you have yet to address any of my argument beside claiming how great Google search is. Heck in high-school they teach children that Google search is not a reliable source as it sorts by popularity. Scientific studies are not popular hits. Sensationalism creates hits and search result. Sensationalism is often junk claims especially when it involves religion.

 

[McBell]

And there was me hoping you were. How disappointing. Who is "we". Are you posting on behalf of a group or do you post here for yourself, or do you think you speak for other posters presuming that they will agree with you, or do you use the word "we" to intimidate posters by think that they are being bullied? Which one is it?

More blatant avoidance..

No surprise there.

 

[Serenity7855]

More blatant avoidance..

No surprise there.

Will one thing is for certain, I am not avoiding your post as you never have anything to say to be avoided.

 

[McBell]

Will one thing is for certain, I am not avoiding your post as you never have anything to say to be avoided.

Why bother?

Are you perhaps hinting you would like to practice your avoidance skills some more?

 

[Serenity7855]

Links which didn't support your ad hoc rationalization.

Ah, yet another baseless assertion that you are incapable of verifying. My support was not a "ad hoc rationalisation" it was a genuine comparison between the word of God and current scientific research. For it to be a ad hoc rationalisation I would have to intentionally be dishonest. I am a Christian having moral accountability to a higher being, therefore, I am not intentionally dishonest. But I am glad that you raised the point as it clearly shows how confusing logical fallacies can be and how apt they are at complicating otherwise simple exchanges in debate. I think it is called intellectual cowardice as rather then debate any issue that is beyond the scope of the writer logical fallacies are argued out instead drawing the debate off course and intentionally making the party that is not familiar with logical fallacies look the underdog and intellectually inert, when, in fact, the opposite is true. It is dishonest and cowardly and the perpetrator is usually those who have zero moral accountability, atheists.

You should of read more careful instead of falling all over your confirmation bias.

Yet another baseless accusation that you have no hope of substantiating. No, I did not search for scenarios that fit with the scripture. I saw the hypothesis demonstrated in a documentary film by Tom Shadyac called "I Am" and it immediately brought to mind the scriptures that say that God writes his laws on our hearts. Once again, as with many logical fallacies, it relies on the perpetrator being dishonest and without moral accountability, atheists. It seems to be that you have educated yourself in the traits and trickery of deception and dishonesty that is all to frequently carried out by those with no moral accountability.

You made this thread as a challenge but cry wolf as soon as someone challenges you. I have no need to discredit Christians as I am only dealing with you. Other do not make the same claims you do nor play the victim when someone fulfills the a challenge to them.

I have no need to cry wolf. Nobody, thus far, has fulfilled my challenge, least of all you. Indeed, I can not think of any successful challenge that you have made ,effectively losing you this debate, pages ago.

You are obsessed with discrediting Christians, demonstrated by your hostility to them. There are two types of atheists. Those who are inquisitive as to why christians believe what they believe and conduct themselves cordially. The others are those who think we are stupid for believing in deity and proactively try to falsify and discredit the entire religion having no compassion for those they attack with their venomous, offensive and malevolent rancour. They are anti christians, who thrive on confrontation and contention. They cannot be debated with and they are better off on your ignore list as they never change.

Why? Since it was a general statement. Why would I make a general state which was address to an individual? You make no sense at all.

Because it followed the post of one of your comrades in arms, giving the impression that you were running to him for support. You will not get it from that particular poster. I have seen other like minded poster hint for his support but he remains silent.

"Lastly, there is no such thing as "post-secondary institutions" in Great Britain."

First you do not know what it is. I tell you, now you know what is it while claims you always knew. Again making no sense here.

Because of my piwers of deduction, I now know what it is. We do have something similar but it is not called that. It is called "secondary education" here, undertaken at a "secondary modern school". It is true that I have always known what secondary education is, however, this is the first time I have heard the term "post-secondary institutions" so, i have then used my powers of deduction, if you are familiar with what that term is, to compare the two with the result being similar enough for me to see that they are in fact synonymous. Which is a shame as it is also another ad hominem from your keyboard. You are not a very nice chappie, are you?

It is also full of BS. Unfortunately you are unable to comb fact from BS if BS supports your religion.

As I have already clearly pointed out to you, I was not looking for facts, those are word that you are incessantly placing in my mouth. I was looking for a comparison that would demonstrate the plausibility of God writing His laws on our heart. It may be difficult for you, but let's try and remember what I have said several times now. I have yet to see any BS supporting my religion, but you don't know what my religion is, do you, so you are stabbing in the dark. Is there a logical fallacy for that?

You never learned how to do proper research hence why you linked articles rather than actual studies.

If I were looking for facts then I would have used actual studies, however, I was merely looking for an example and these two articles sufficed. Once again you make yet another baseless assumption that you do not have a hope in he'll of substantiating making it a judgement with no foundations.

You do not have the "wisdom" nor knowledge of proper research.

Another fallacious judgement.

I doubt you developed anything.

That would suggest that I am lying. And a pretty elaborate one at that. I am a Christian bound by moral accountability to a higher personage so I do not lie. I think that you are projecting again. You seem to do that a lot.

It also has no bearing on the matter since you are talking about engineering, no scientific research. You misapply your expertise as if means anything other than a boost to your ego.

Again, you are projecting. You are known for your narcissistic, egotistical and self-important demeanour on this forum. The bearing it had was in response to one of your manic ad hominems.

Say the one that doesn't know what a fallacy is.... Come back when you have finished logic 101.

I have no intentions on starting logic 101 let alone finishing it. That is for those who did not have the intellegences to do something worthwhile with their time. It is a joke. I know all that I need to know about fallacies.

Ah so you do not even know if it was fact or BS.

I know that it may not have been a fact and I knew that it was not BS as I have seen other evidence that points to it being a serious research.

Who cares right as long as it supports your religious bias. Hilarious.

I was not looking for support, I know that my religion is true so it needs no support. I was making an analogy that shows just how easy it is to incorporate religion with science, especially as God is the master scientists and has drip fed every convieveable scientific discovery to our scientists via the Holy Ghost's influence on their hearts and minds. Everything having a season.

A demonstration is factual not BS. Nice contradiction you have here.

No it is not always factual. Do you know how the white rabbit appeared in the magicians hat.

You have deemed it a contradiction which is meaningless to me.

Link the studies, do not just assume someone has studies as they claim. I made the effort you should have and found the articles to be BS based on quote-mining.

I made no assumption. I was giving an example of cross referencing between science and religion.

You had no reason to make the effort as the effort was clearly not required.

As I have already said, the article is not the result of quote-mining. That is dishonest and is more likely to be perpetrated by you and not me. Yet another case of projecting. I have given my explanation of how the comparison came about. Believe it or don't believe it.

Pot meet kettle. You make the same statements but back by nothing except your bias and bigotry toward anyone that disagrees. You have become emotional over your exposer as a hack.

Yes, I am sure you are very familiar with the old pot and kettle.

I make no excuse for my bias or bigotry. I am a Christian so I am bound to be bias and bigoted to mmy personal belief. What is your excuse.

Are you sure you know what you are saying whilst delivering yet another insulting ad hominem by calling me a hack.

hack1
hak/
verb

1. 1.
   cut with rough or heavy blows.
   "I watched them hack the branches"
   synonyms: cut, chop, hew, lop, saw;
   slash
   "Stuart hacked the padlock off"
2. 2.
   gain unauthorized access to data in a system or computer.
   "they hacked into the bank's computer"

noun

1. 1.
   a rough cut, blow, or stroke.
   "he was sure one of us was going to take a hack at him"
2. 2.
   informal
   an act of computer hacking.
   "the challenge of the hack itself"

The only parts of my comments you respond to are the parts which trigger emotional.

That is because your entire post has the potential to trigger emotion, however, be assured that I have been on these forums for a long time so I never allow my emotions to enter the arena. I have met you before in many different guises. Nothing you say about me phases me. I am just interested in what makes people so obnoxiously rude and malicious to other human beings. I am learning from your crass and odious attitude on here to every Christian you confront. By studying your depraved grandeloquence I can learn how to better deal with other atheists of your ilk.

Likewise it is the only thing I have available to respond to. You become overly emotional and become focused on the source of your outrage and embarassment.

Perhaps you can show us where I became notably overly emotional. Or is this yet another of your baseless assertions. Why do you feel that I would be embarrassed. In front of whom, you? There is nobody here for me to feel embarrassed about. Unlike you, I do not play to any audience.

For almost 3 pages you have yet to address any of my argument beside claiming how great Google search is.

I have nothing to debate with you. You are incapable of debating without being crass as rude to your opponent. I have no intentions of casting my pearl before someone who is sure to trample them under foot. You are undesirable for Christians to debate with and if I were them I would give you a wide berth.

You do know that other people will read this and pick up on your lies.

Heck in high-school they teach children that Google search is not a reliable source as it sorts by popularity. Scientific studies are not popular hits. Sensationalism creates hits and search result. Sensationalism is often junk claims especially when it involves religion.

You have said that I use google. I said I use the Internet and that. You have assumed that I use google. I do, but I use many others search engines as well.

Citation required fore the rest of your unfounded, unsubstantiated comment.

 

[Serenity7855]

Why bother?

Are you perhaps hinting you would like to practice your avoidance skills some more?

I do not know why you bother. Nobody ever takes any notices of your acid injections of venom. They are just amusing to answer.

As I said, you never write anything that needs to be avoided. You are no doubt here to vent your small man syndrome and berate posters in cyber space as you cannot do it face to face to anybody. It it makes you feel better then go for it.

 

[McBell]

I do not know why you bother. Nobody ever takes any notices of your acid injections of venom. They are just amusing to answer.

As I said, you never write anything that needs to be avoided. You are no doubt here to vent your small man syndrome and berate posters in cyber space as you cannot do it face to face to anybody. It it makes you feel better then go for it.

for all your whining about ad hominem, you don't hesitate to throw your higher ground down and stomp on it.

It is actually refreshing, though sad at the same time.

I mean, you talk a good game with your bold empty claims, but then, ultimately, you undermine it all with your blatant hypocrisy.

 

[Shad]

whine

you are still not linking studies, not addressing any of my counter-arguments. You can not figure the difference between a study and a website making claims. A proposal for research from a research study. You still focus on your emotion outrage as a dodge. Heck you admit confirmation bias without realizing it. Hilarious. More playing the victim of your own ineptness to research.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This thread is a catastrophy

The entertainment reading it is priceless.

 

[Bunyip]

What would this forum be like without you, oh yes, splendiferous!

If anyone thinks that the thread is a catastrophe then why would they be posting on it? Not that it isn't a catastrophe since the arrival of Shad, intentional, i am sure, but why would you post here if you thought it were a catastrophe? I wouldn't.

I thought it was obvious why we post here - the dire spectacle of your behaviour is like watching a car crash.
Interacting with you is a fantastic way to confirm one's atheism.

I was talking to a friend who said that whenever he feels unsure of his atheism he comes back to this thread to recall why he left Christianity.

 

[Serenity7855]

To Anyone Interested

I have said it many times on here. If anyone has left christianity then they were never a Christian in the first place. One you are converted by the influece of the Holy Ghost then there is no going back. It is quite literally impossible.

Of course the forum will confirm ones reason for being an atheist. It reiterates a lifestyle that is impossible for atheists to maintain and opens the eyes to the wonders of the universe for which the atheist neither has the mental capacity or sufficient intellect to comprehend. It is simply easier to be an atheist and this site demonstrates that. As ffor watching car crashes, what kind of person is edified and entertained by watching car crashes? No more needs to be said to those who are too busy digging holes for themselves.

 

[Serenity7855]

you are still not linking studies, not addressing any of my counter-arguments. You can not figure the difference between a study and a website making claims. A proposal for research from a research study. You still focus on your emotion outrage as a dodge. Heck you admit confirmation bias without realizing it. Hilarious. More playing the victim of your own ineptness to research.

I have addressed this for you. You are not in a position to comprehend the most simple of precepts. There is no point, and I have no desire, to repeat myself yet again.

 

[Shad]

I have addressed this for you. You are not in a position to comprehend the most simple of precepts. There is no point, and I have no desire, to repeat myself yet again.

Whining and complaining that the website are scientific is not addressing anything. Find me a study made by those authors. You have yet to do so. So you have addressed nothing. Heck you linked a newspaper and a blog thinking these were studies. How dumb can you get?

 

[Cephus]

The entertainment reading it is priceless.

If and only if you can avoid getting a concussion from banging your head on the desk.