Does Christmas have anything to do with Christ?

[MikeSavage]

I'd rather not serve your God. My Gods are much more interesting, and better at parties.

Why is it that only a handful of us chosen and true believers, follow the "correct" truth. So many people refuse to hear the "true" word of the Gods.

It's a shame really.

There is but one true God Almighty. The others are not real and you know it.

 

[Yeshe Dondrub]

There is but one true God Almighty. The others are not real and you know it.

What is real. What is illusion? Where is God? Where are you? What is God? What is you? Where is mind? Where is consciousness? What brings clarity?

If we can reach a state where we remove suffering, can be compassionate to all. Where we see all with the same potential, and love them regardless. Would not a divine mind?

I do not need to be correct in my beliefs to be truly compassionate. Or have faith outside of myself.

You can reflect true loving forgiveness in yourself.

 

[Artemis]

Only those who are of the anointed class are to partake of the emblems representing the flesh and blood.Those who are to reign in heaven with Jesus Christ,such as the original disciples, and those who were at the pentecost of 33 C.E. All others should only be observers.Being an observer means showing respect and remembering what Jesus did.Observers pass the bread and wine but do not partake of it.

Many do not realize that when Jesus established the new covenant,he was speaking to the 1st century christian followers.His original disciples.

• Luke 22:29 and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom,
  • John 14:2, 3. 2 In the house of my Father are many dwelling places.Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you.3 Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be.
    
    
    Jesus is speaking to his disciples.Not us.Heaven is only for those blessed with the holy spirit by God.Just like those at the pentecost of 33C.E.
    
    There is a selected number of these according to the holy scriptures.
    • Luke 12:32n “Have no fear, little flock, for your Father has approved of giving you the Kingdom.
      • Revelation 14:1-3. 14 Then I saw, and look! the Lamb standing on Mount Zion,and with him 144,000 who have his name and the name of his Father written on their foreheads. 2 I heard a sound coming out of heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; and the sound that I heard was like singers who accompany themselves by playing on their harps.
        3 And they are singing what seems to be a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders, and no one was able to master that song except the 144,000,who have been bought from the earth.
        
        
        The full number would be 144,000. That group began to be selected in 33 C.E. Reasonably, there would be only a small number partaking now.
        
        
        Memorial (Lord’s Evening Meal) — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY
        
        So from reading and thoroughly studying the holy scriptures anyone can see with any bible that this is what is written.Many are under the impression that anyone can partake of these emblems.This view is incorrect and has no biblical backing.

Bible student,. the Bible, Old and New Testament, were written by simple, almost uneducated people. When you start reading the Bible, sincerely ask God, to reveal to you what he is trying to say .if you do this in trust and faith, you will see how simple and understandable the Word is. If you continue doing this every time you read it, God our Father, will reveal to you more and more. Just trust Him and try it in good faith,.and Good luck and God bless you in the hours when you do your studying☺

 

[The Hammer]

There is but one true God Almighty. The others are not real and you know it.

More real to me, then any Abrahamic god I ever worshipped. But thanks for trying to do what your organization/religion has done to others for thousands of years: Belittle, ridicule, and make a mockery of, and attempt to turn into fairy tales the beliefs of others.

You fit the stereotype quite well. Your* god must be so proud of you.

EDIT: And just what exactly designates a deity as "real". Without scripture please.

 

[savagewind]

More real to me, then any Abrahamic god I ever worshipped. But thanks for trying to do what your organization/religion has done to others for thousands of years: Belittle, ridicule, and make a mockery of, and attempt to turn into fairy tales the beliefs of others.

You fit the stereotype quite well. Your* god must be so proud of you.

EDIT: And just what exactly designates a deity as "real". Without scripture please.

They will stop their ridicule when everyone becomes just like them. Is it worth it? I vote no.

 

[The Hammer]

They will stop their ridicule when everyone becomes just like them. Is it worth it? I vote no.

It's a shame honestly. Could you imagine if adherents of Asatru went around and converted people the same way these guys tried to? It would be labeled as ludicrous, rude, inconsiderate, and mean spirited. But if the Abrahamics are doing it, it's justified, righteous, and doing the "will of god". It's hypocrisy at it's finest.

 

[`mud]

I get a kick out the phrase: "The annointed ones".
To me that describes the unwashed vagabonds and near-do-wells that smelled like the sheep they walked with.
Nahhhhh....that's not a good description, they smelled like sweat and rain and spilled wine.
They perfumed themselves to the point of being.....well...you get the point.
Annointed....give me a break !!!
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just a thought...no need to pursue.
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'mud

 

[Desert Snake]

I get a kick out the phrase: "The annointed ones".
To me that describes the unwashed vagabonds and near-do-wells that smelled like the sheep they walked with.
Nahhhhh....that's not a good description, they smelled like sweat and rain and spilled wine.
They perfumed themselves to the point of being.....well...you get the point.
Annointed....give me a break !!!
~
just a thought...no need to pursue.
~
'mud

Carpenter, fisherman, Rabbi. You're 'criticism' is nice but naysaying should remain a constantly themed pursuit, this is all over the map.
Personally, I think the 'man' Jesus was a fisherman.

 

[MikeSavage]

I get a kick out the phrase: "The annointed ones".
To me that describes the unwashed vagabonds and near-do-wells that smelled like the sheep they walked with.
Nahhhhh....that's not a good description, they smelled like sweat and rain and spilled wine.
They perfumed themselves to the point of being.....well...you get the point.
Annointed....give me a break !!!
~
just a thought...no need to pursue.
~
'mud

That's all good and well, but the term "annointed ones" refers to those annointed with holy spirit, at the direction of Jesus, using God's holy spirit. Being so annointed, they became the first of the 144,000. The only ones from Earth to go to heaven. Naysay all you want, but it doesn't change the truth. If you want to turn your back on our sovereign ruler, God the Almighty, Jehovah of Armies, it's your choice, albeit a suicidal choice.

 

[savagewind]

That's all good and well, but the term "annointed ones" refers to those annointed with holy spirit, at the direction of Jesus, using God's holy spirit. .

PULEEZE! I think you mean at Jehovah's direction. Maybe you should not be too close to these trinitarians on forum. You're beginning to sound like one.

 

[MikeSavage]

PULEEZE! I think you mean at Jehovah's direction. Maybe you should not be too close to these trinitarians on forum. You're beginning to sound like one.

What is that supposed to mean? The trinitarians are ALL antichrist.

 

[savagewind]

What is that supposed to mean? The trinitarians are ALL antichrist.

You say Jesus annoints the annointed. Isn't Jehovah annoints the annointed?

"annointed ones" refers to those annointed with holy spirit, at the direction of Jesus, using God's holy spirit.

 

[MikeSavage]

You say Jesus annoints the annointed. Isn't Jehovah annoints the annointed?

Jesus used his Father's holy spirit, or rather asked his Father to annoint the apostles and several disciples the night before his death. That's when the Christian Congregation began. That's when the law covenant was replaced with the new covenant, and Jesus initiated the "one true faith" that all true Christians are part of now, as then. It is NOT religions claiming to be Christian, as they are all false. True Christianity isn't religion.

 

[Nada]

Bible S., The above isn't scripturally true. Paul in addressing the 1Corinthians (11:22-29) concerning the Communion supper acknowledged that it was for/by the congregation as a whole.

"""What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body."""
Your posted scriptures are true, but your conclusive applications are false.
Paul wrote in that same book(10:6, 11) and Rom.15:4 That what was written is for examples, admonition, and learning by US.
Jesus(nor GOD the Father) is not a respecter of persons. Your Site is wrong in its conclusions.

Your interpretation of 1 Corinthians 11:22 is incorrect.
"Do you not have houses for eating and drinking? Or do you despise the congregation of God and make those who have nothing feel ashamed? What can I say to you? Should I commend you? In this I do not commend you."
Paul was correcting abuses in connection with eating of supper at the congregation's meeting place before the observance of the Lord's evening meal.Thats' why verse 34 says,"If anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, that you may not come together for judgment.”

Some were attending the meetings hungry and they also were drinking excessively.

Read this.......

2 Those partaking of the Memorial emblems must do so worthily. The apostle Paul made that clear when he wrote to Christians in ancient Corinth, where the Lord’s Evening Meal was not being observed in a proper way. (1 Corinthians 11:20-22) Paul wrote: “Whoever eats the loaf or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will be guilty respecting the body and the blood of the Lord.” (1 Corinthians 11:27) What is the significance of those words?

Some Observed It Unworthily

3 Many Corinthian Christians partook of the Memorial unworthily. There were divisions among them, and at least for a time, some brought their supper and ate it before or during the meeting, often eating and drinking excessively. They were neither mentally nor spiritually alert. This made them “guilty respecting the body and the blood of the Lord.” Those who had no supper were hungry and became distracted. Yes, many partook without respect and full realization of the seriousness of the event. No wonder they brought judgment upon themselves!—1 Corinthians 11:27-34.

4 As the Memorial approaches each year, self-scrutiny is essential for those who customarily partake of the emblems. To share in this communion meal properly, they must be in a healthy spiritual condition. Anyone who shows disrespect, even contempt, for Jesus’ sacrifice would be in danger of being ‘cut off from God’s people,’ just like an Israelite who partook of a communion meal in an unclean state.—Leviticus 7:20; Hebrews 10:28-31.

5 Paul compared the Memorial to a communion meal in ancient Israel. He spoke of the partakers sharing together in Christ and then said: “You cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; you cannot be partaking of ‘the table of Jehovah’ and the table of demons.” (1 Corinthians 10:16-21) If a person who usually partakes of the Memorial emblems commits a serious sin, he should confess this to Jehovah and also seek the spiritual assistance of the older men of the congregation. (Proverbs 28:13; James 5:13-16) If he truly repents and produces fruitage befitting repentance, he would not be partaking unworthily.—Luke 3:8.

What Does the Lord’s Evening Meal Mean to You? — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

 

[Nada]

Bible S. when your eyes are opened to the truths of the Scriptures you will see that the "governing body" is erroneous in their conclusions of many things.

Actually,it is the views of those without truth whom I am worried for.I believe those who pray read and study daily.Those who attend meetings every week.Those who go door to door and house to house,like the 1st century christians did,doing as is commanded in Matthew 24:14.These are these ones who preach truth.Not those who do as the world does and participate in wars that kill people and practice pagan holidays.

 

[Desert Snake]

That's a bunch of strawman reasons why you are 'holier than thou'. In fact with the info we got from Aup it probably isn't even a 'pagan' holiday at all.
Something else...
No one calls Xmas 'Jesus's birthday party', or whatnot, that's not really the point of the celebration. It's celebrating His birthday defacto, the narrative and religion dictate the worship here, not the 'birthday' date etc. I think you have a very cynical view of people worshipping their God, Jesus.

Actually,it is the views of those without truth whom I am worried for.I believe those who pray read and study daily.Those who attend meetings every week.Those who go door to door and house to house,like the 1st century christians did,doing as is commanded in Matthew 24:14.These are these ones who preach truth.Not those who do as the world does and participate in wars that kill people and practice pagan holidays.

 

[savagewind]

Bible S. when your eyes are opened to the truths of the Scriptures you will see that the "governing body" is erroneous in their conclusions of many things.

Actually,it is the views of those without truth whom I am worried for.I believe those who pray read and study daily.Those who attend meetings every week.Those who go door to door and house to house,like the 1st century christians did,doing as is commanded in Matthew 24:14.These are these ones who preach truth.Not those who do as the world does and participate in wars that kill people and practice pagan holidays.

I hear you saying it is works which save a person.* Also I hear you saying as long as a person does the works and sides with the governing body with what they are right about that is all a person must do. It doesn't matter if they are wrong about anything. But for us it means condemnation to be wrong about anything you believe you are right about.

*pray, read, study daily, attend meetings, go door to door and do as the govening body commands

 

[Nada]

sincerly said: ↑
sincerly said: ↑
Bible S., Paul's writings to Timothy(1+2) says such "getting along"(God's truth vs. secular(worldly error) will not happen. Sin has to run its full course and that is "wickedness will wax worse and worse"--- sound doctrine will be traded for lies---

Bible S., Jesus, also, stated that, he that is not against us , is for us.Jesus was born as the scriptures declare and you acknowledge.
Therefore, which is against us"? The "assumed" date for the birth of Jesus Christ who was promised before the foundation of the world?---OR the denial of HIS Birth and the claim that HE/GOD/ and Creation is a myth?



Bible S., while the initial saying was in regards to the "casting out of demons" by a person, the Principle applies as stated. You failed to answer my questions---there is nothing about giving a date to the Birth of Jesus Christ which is against a salvational principle. But there is when one claims that all of the Bible scriptures and GOD is a myth.
2Tim. 3:13; 4:2-4, There is no "getting along" as these verses reveal.
"Evil" activity will only get worse; and therefore, such will be the results of believing lies. Some of which are propagated by the "governing body"---in the name of Jehovah.

Lol...Ok.

 

[sincerly]

sincerly said: ↑
Mike, you know the "beliefs" of the "governing body" and this discussion is just the "tip of the iceberg". The Scriptures identified them as "wise men" and they did visit and "worship" Jesus.

In the sense that the governing body of the society believes the scriptures, the same as I do, then yes, you are correct.

Mike, Let's start with the word "religion" as used today. The definitions
of which are: 1. The belief in a superhuman controlling power, esp. in a personal GOD or gods entitled to obedience and worship.
2.the expression of this worship.
3. a particular system of faith and worship.
4. life under monastic vows(the way of religion)
5. A thing that one is devoted to(football(etc.) is their religion).

In the KJV, the Greek word translated Religion is threskeia.
Notice the usage in these verses.

Acts 26:5, "Which knew me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect of "our" religion I lived a Pharisee."
Paul was expressing all five of those definitions. (#5 being devoted the the Creator GOD).

Gal. 1:13-14, "For ye have heard of my conversation(manner of life---(supplied)) in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers."

Paul was again expressing all of the definitions, but now #5 is including
the "traditions"(changes made by men) which were against the teachings of GOD.

James 1:26-27, "If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

James is expressing another facet of worship/devotion All of which has its roots in LOVE---Which GOD is.
Prov.14:12, states, "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."

They do not dictate what to believe to anyone. They have no doctrine their own, any doctrine is strictly from the scriptures. It's God's doctrine.

Yes, Eve knew of GOD'S instruction, but that didn't keep her from adding to HIS instructions---"not to touch it". That "governing body" did take the Scriptures and "modify" them to what "seemed right". And those are what the congregation are to believe. Right? Isn't that the claim SW is making? Also, sites are posted from them(governing body) which are placed to be followed--(by members)--and others to consider.

They function the same way as the apostles of Jesus did, in acting as elders, or a governing body of the original Christian congregation, of which we are a part today.

I understand their function--- The Apostles were given a message to deliver to the world, but the Apostles had no authority to change the message. and it wasn't changed by them.
That occurred by believers who had fallen away from the truths of GOD and and substituted their own corrupted beliefs as GOD'S Truths---just as was prophesied.

 

[Nada]

sincerly said: ↑
Bible S., You have not countered the belief of Three "Wise men" and, actually, have stated--- admitted that the number isn't known.
The Queen of Sheba and her gifts are a non-sequitur as far as the "they" gifts are concerned.
Nor does the narrative of the "wise men's" visit invalidate the Birth of Jesus. The day of it is still unknown for sure.

Because there were three gifts and "they" gave them, doesn't mean anything in the Salvation of mankind. The purpose of the Birth is/was to seek and save lost mankind.



Bible S., Jesus said(Luke 19:10), "For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost."

You are still incorrect brother.