diet debate

[Chakra]

Kinda busy so I just googled it. This was pretty quick.

7 Evidence-Based Health Reasons to Eat Meat

Should Humans Eat Meat? [Excerpt] - Scientific American

And this last one is mostly an opinion piece but it is from a vegetarian source so I found it interesting.

Why You Should Eat Meat: A Vegetarian's Perspective | Punchnels

These are just some quick searches.

100 Scientific Reasons to NOT Eat Meat

I know the site may not be authoritative, but these guys gave links for all their reasons.

Position of the American Dietetic Association: vegetarian diets. - PubMed - NCBI

Do Vegetarians Live Longer?

"A 1% reduction in world-wide meat intake has the same benefit as a three trillion-dollar investment in solar energy." ~ Chris Mentzel, CEO of Clean Energy

“If every American skipped one meal of chicken per week and substituted vegetables and grains... the carbon dioxide savings would be the same as taking more than half a million cars off of U.S. roads.” Environmental Defense Fund

Consumption of meat and dairy and lymphoma risk in the European Pro... - PubMed - NCBI

How Tumors Use Meat to Grow: Xeno-Autoantibodies | NutritionFacts.org

Besides, I've seen way too many studies from Harvard and other Health Associations to believe that meat is healthier than vegetarianism. But that's just me.

 

[Jainarayan]

"Even the devil can quote scripture to his purpose" - William Shakespeare.

Anyone, any group, any lobby, any body of scientists, doctors, nutritionists can conduct and cite studies to support their position. If you want to eat meat, eat it; if you don't want to eat it, don't. No one is ever going to persuade anyone else to change their mind about it.

 

[Chakra]

"Even the devil can quote scripture to his purpose" - William Shakespeare.

Anyone, any group, any lobby, any body of scientists, doctors, nutritionists can conduct and cite studies to support their position. If you want to eat meat, eat it; if you don't want to eat it, don't. No one is ever going to persuade anyone else to change their mind about it.

Okay. It's just that saying that a meat diet is healthier than a vegetarian diet is just a little too much. But since I am probably ruining the intent of this debate, I'll just leave.

Regards

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Okay. It's just that saying that a meat diet is healthier than a vegetarian diet is just a little too much.

Well, it's "too much" to say that eating meat is invariably unhealthy, as well.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

God bless the bacon. Seriously...don't you think that pork is the proof of God's existence?
what about this Sicilian pork sausage?

that's the real recipe for a fit body. In fact I always eat it and I am thin

I've been eating Italian sausage and scrambled eggs for breakfast for months! Love it!

 

[Jainarayan]

@ axlyz's post...

You're missing the point that vegetarian proponents are also claiming that vegetarian diets are better. One size does not fit all.

 

[Chakra]

Well, it's "too much" to say that eating meat is invariably unhealthy, as well.

There's more than just one reason why eating meat is bad for humans, it's not just health. But that's for another thread. Peace.

 

[Sees]

"Even the devil can quote scripture to his purpose" - William Shakespeare.

Anyone, any group, any lobby, any body of scientists, doctors, nutritionists can conduct and cite studies to support their position. If you want to eat meat, eat it; if you don't want to eat it, don't. No one is ever going to persuade anyone else to change their mind about it.

Pretty much People find a way to live how they want regardless. Diet, relationships, bigotry, occupation, etc. - finding what supports the heart's desire, gut instincts, current habit/behavior, and on and on. Debate and argument is rarely about what's best or most true but rather feeling good and feeling right about our choices already made and our preferences. This is all over most RF threads in a very major way.

It's why exclusivism is just as pointless and futile with diet as the focus of discussion.

 

[Chakra]

You're missing the point that vegetarian proponents are also claiming that vegetarian diets are better. One size does not fit all.

Yeah, I get that. Which is precisely why me and Monk of Reason are exchanging links to find out more. I just think that your post on quoting scriptures was unnecessary.

 

[Jainarayan]

Yeah, I get that. Which is precisely why me and Monk of Reason are exchanging links to find out more. I just think that your post on quoting scriptures was unnecessary.

And again you are missing the point. It's a literary metaphor indicating that anyone can make anything suit their purpose.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

There's more than just one reason why eating meat is bad for humans, it's not just health. But that's for another thread. Peace.

There's no reason to believe that eating meat itself is bad for humans. If it was, we would've suffered the consequences for it en masse long ago. Many tribal groups around the world, particularly in the Arctic and living around coastal areas derived most of their diet from meat through hunting and fishing. Those people do just fine and have done fine for thousands of years. Humans are a very flexible species when it comes to food.

You can make ethical arguments if you want, but that's irrelevant.

 

[Jainarayan]

Pretty much People find a way to live how they want regardless. Diet, relationships, bigotry, occupation, etc. - finding what supports the heart's desire, gut instincts, current habit/behavior, and on and on. Debate and argument is rarely about what's best or most true but rather feeling good and feeling right about our choices already made and our preferences. This is all over most RF threads in a very major way.

It's why exclusivism is just as pointless and futile with diet as the focus of discussion.

So much this. :yes:

I wonder how many arguments we all put forth are actually meant to convince ourselves rather than others. Including me.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

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Do Vegetarians Live Longer?

So? We're all going to die eventually anyways. Why am I going to deny myself the simple pleasure of dining on a gourmet fine dinner of tacos and burritos? Especially since there is a real chance I won't even live long enough to enjoy those few extra years. And of course, plenty of meat eaters do outlive vegetarians.
And it's really hard to make that case when people in Japan eat meat and tend to outlive the rest of us.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

So? We're all going to die eventually anyways. Why am I going to deny myself the simple pleasure of dining on a gourmet fine dinner of tacos and burritos? Especially since there is a real chance I won't even live long enough to enjoy those few extra years. And of course, plenty of meat eaters do outlive vegetarians.
And it's really hard to make that case when people in Japan eat meat and tend to outlive the rest of us.

All the people I know of that have lived past the age of 100 ate meat. Many of them were smokers and drinkers, too. As Wirey and I mentioned, it has more to do with mindset and enjoying life than anything else.

 

[Viker]

So much this. :yes:

I wonder how many arguments we all put forth are actually meant to convince ourselves rather than others. Including me.

Dare I say, most?

 

[Viker]

Meat in moderation seems fine. I've never met a human that was a full on meat eater.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

All the people I know of that have lived past the age of 100 ate meat. Many of them were smokers and drinkers, too. As Wirey and I mentioned, it has more to do with mindset and enjoying life than anything else.

People in my family tend to live fairly long (not over 100 yet, but you can't complain over 80-90 years), and eat meat. My maternal grandmother also smoked, lived a long life, and died of Alzheimers. My half-siblings grandfather almost got to 100 (we thought he would easily go over that; several people in that family have lived to be over 100), and he ate meat, pizza, drank lots of beer (he was German after all), and smoked cigars.
I really see anything more than a reasonable healthy died as being no different than always staying home because you don't want to have an accident. Are you going to buy a boat and never set sail because you're too afraid of damaging it? And this reasonable healthy diet does include eating meat, unless you have a religious diet or personal choices against it. Excluding factory farming and inhumane butchering, I don't even consider it an issue of morality because all of life feeds on life to sustain itself. And even in wealthy societies, many families, especially poor families in more rural areas, sustain themselves by hunting and fishing.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

People in my family tend to live fairly long (not over 100 yet, but you can't complain over 80-90 years), and eat meat. My maternal grandmother also smoked, lived a long life, and died of Alzheimers. My half-siblings grandfather almost got to 100 (we thought he would easily go over that; several people in that family have lived to be over 100), and he ate meat, pizza, drank lots of beer (he was German after all), and smoked cigars.
I really see anything more than a reasonable healthy died as being no different than always staying home because you don't want to have an accident. Are you going to buy a boat and never set sail because you're too afraid of damaging it? And this reasonable healthy diet does include eating meat, unless you have a religious diet or personal choices against it. Excluding factory farming and inhumane butchering, I don't even consider it an issue of morality because all of life feeds on life to sustain itself. And even in wealthy societies, many families, especially poor families in more rural areas, sustain themselves by hunting and fishing.

My thoughts exactly. :yes:

On a related note, I used to be straight edge until I was 19, when I started drinking and smoking. A lot of the reason why I did it was out of fear that I would end up a drug addict or alcoholic like so many in my family. However, I found out that my fears were unfounded. I am a smoker, but more of a moderate one (can't chain-smoke the cigs I smoke since they're so strong, anyway) and I'm a moderate drinker. I just enjoy myself.

 

[Epigram]

I'm a whole food omnivore at the moment. Considering juicing, vegan, vegetarian, pescitarian etc. What, how And why should I eat.

I would recommend a ketogenic diet. reddit/r/keto is a good forum for discussion and questions. The basics are eat mostly fat, a bit of protein and almost no carbs unless for some reason you need them. (Usually for sporting purposes... running, sparring etc...)

 

[Chakra]

So? We're all going to die eventually anyways. Why am I going to deny myself the simple pleasure of dining on a gourmet fine dinner of tacos and burritos?

Because you are a rational person. Why should you deny an animal's simple right to live? What right do you have to do such a thing?