Experiencing God

[Sonofason]

I am amazed that so many believers that have had "spiritual" experiences won't share their experiences with others. It ought not surprise me however, as I too have had "spiritual" experiences that I just will not share with anyone. I gather that the telling of such experiences puts one at risk of throwing one's pearls to the swine.

My experience of God has actually brought me to a point where I no longer require faith to believe in God. I am absolutely certain of his existence and presence in my life.

So I guess that leaves me with a question for those who have had God experiences. What do you think it was that you did which enabled you to experience what you experienced? What did you do to invoke God's attention?

 

[Ingledsva]

I am amazed that so many believers that have had "spiritual" experiences won't share their experiences with others. It ought not surprise me however, as I too have had "spiritual" experiences that I just will not share with anyone. I gather that the telling of such experiences puts one at risk of throwing one's pearls to the swine.

My experience of God has actually brought me to a point where I no longer require faith to believe in God. I am absolutely certain of his existence and presence in my life.

So I guess that leaves me with a question for those who have had God experiences. What do you think it was that you did which enabled you to experience what you experienced? What did you do to invoke God's attention?

Geeesss! I hate that expression!

It is ridiculous to say such things about people that don't have your experience, or that have a different experience, or debate your experience, or don't believe it, etc.


It is the same as calling every person on this DEBATE site, - that doesn't agree with you, - swine.




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[Sonofason]

Geeesss! I hate that expression!

It is ridiculous to say such things about people that don't have your experience, or that have a different experience, or debate your experience, or don't believe it, etc.


It is the same as calling every person on this DEBATE site, - that doesn't agree with you, - swine.




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Why, do you have something against swine? Are we a better species than swine?

 

[Sonofason]

Geeesss! I hate that expression!

It is ridiculous to say such things about people that don't have your experience, or that have a different experience, or debate your experience, or don't believe it, etc.


It is the same as calling every person on this DEBATE site, - that doesn't agree with you, - swine.
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Do you know what the Bible says that swine do to pearls?

If you throw your pearls to the swine, "they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."
(Mathew 7:6)

 

[Sonofason]

It is not a statement of an inferiority of swine. It is a statement of how swine view pearls.
I could just as well use the term "dogs" as did Jesus.

 

[Sonofason]

It is the reason we rarely share our experiences with atheists.

 

[Sunstone]

While it seems possible that these experiences might be of deity, so far as I know, there is nothing about them that necessitates that they are indeed experiences of deity despite that they can leave a rather remarkable conviction that they are of deity.

 

[Sonofason]

While it seems possible that these experiences might be of deity, so far as I know, there is nothing about them that necessitates that they are indeed experiences of deity despite that they can leave a rather remarkable conviction that they are of deity.

It is remarkable.

When we hear a boom, we're kinda certain that we heard the boom.
When we perceive light, even when our eyes are closed, we can be most certain that we are experiencing light.
When we experience God, it is hard to dismiss that we are experiencing God.
When our skin is on fire, it's hard to dismiss the sensation of heat.

 

[Thana]

I am amazed that so many believers that have had "spiritual" experiences won't share their experiences with others. It ought not surprise me however, as I too have had "spiritual" experiences that I just will not share with anyone. I gather that the telling of such experiences puts one at risk of throwing one's pearls to the swine.

Because it's personal

And yes, generally it's a waste of time to try and explain it, but not because of the other person, But because it was an experience meant only for you, Not to be used as a tool in which to persuade others.

So I guess that leaves me with a question for those who have had God experiences. What do you think it was that you did which enabled you to experience what you experienced? What did you do to invoke God's attention?

To be honest, Nothing. I did nothing to deserve, earn or obtain it.
It was just given.

 

[Sonofason]

Because it's personal

And yes, generally it's a waste of time to try and explain it, but not because of the other person, But because it was an experience meant only for you, Not to be used as a tool in which to persuade others.

To be honest, Nothing. I did nothing to deserve, earn or obtain it.
It was just given.

Do you believe that God notices what we do?
Do you believe He ever reacts to what we do?

 

[Sonofason]

I often think I want to tell of my experiences. What stops me is not that I perceive that it belongs only to me, although it is inevitably my experience and up to me whether or not I share it, but because I don't believe that I can by sharing my experience cause another person to feel what I feel when I experience God. And because I do not desire to be ridiculed for that which is dear to me.

 

[Desert Snake]

I often think I want to tell of my experiences. What stops me is not that I perceive that it belongs only to me, although it is inevitably my experience and up to me whether or not I share it, but because I don't believe that I can by sharing my experience cause another person to feel what I feel when I experience God. And because I do not desire to be ridiculed for that which is dear to me.

Right, I was commenting on another thread earlier about this, this type of format just may not be very condusive for sharing those types of spiritual experiences, but I'm not sure there is an answer to that, I guess in a really strict DIR it might be easier for people to relate their anecdotes, but even then..

 

[Sunstone]

It is remarkable.

When we hear a boom, we're kinda certain that we heard the boom.
When we perceive light, even when our eyes are closed, we can be most certain that we are experiencing light.
When we experience God, it is hard to dismiss that we are experiencing God.
When our skin is on fire, it's hard to dismiss the sensation of heat.

What you say is very true, but we need to also consider that it's the human brain that creates the feeling something is real. That is, the feeling something is real is not a property of the things in this world, but a creation of the brain. So it would seem possible that the brain could create that feeling at times even when something is not actually "out there", real in the world.

 

[Sonofason]

Right, I was commenting on another thread earlier about this, this type of format just may not be very condusive for sharing those types of spiritual experiences, but I'm not sure there is an answer to that, I guess in a really strict DIR it might be easier for people to relate their anecdotes, but even then..

There are of course people we can share these experiences with, but those people must be close to us, but maybe not too close, they would be people who we trust not to ridicule us for what we tell them, people we know have an open mind.

 

[Sonofason]

What you say is very true, but we need to also consider that it's the human brain that creates the feeling something is real. That is, the feeling something is real is not a property of the things in this world, but a creation of the brain. So it would seem possible that the brain could create that feeling at times even when something is not actually "out there", real in the world.

If everything that stimulates us is perceived in the mind. Why would we not perceive God in our minds?

 

[Desert Snake]

There are of course people we can share these experiences with, but those people must be close to us, but maybe not too close, they would be people who we trust not to ridicule us for what we tell them, people we know have an open mind.

Well I wouldn't ridicule anyone for their experiences.

 

[Sonofason]

What you say is very true, but we need to also consider that it's the human brain that creates the feeling something is real. That is, the feeling something is real is not a property of the things in this world, but a creation of the brain. So it would seem possible that the brain could create that feeling at times even when something is not actually "out there", real in the world.

Have you ever been burned by a fire that wasn't there?
Have you ever had a light shined on you, but there was no light?
Have you ever heard a sound that you doubted was a real sound?

I'm not talking about dreams.

 

[Whiterain]

You shouldn't expect more than a reclusive version of the conversation by this point. People are
put away these days, going on about their experience and strong faith. You can believe in God but
you can't on a personal level, only dogma God.

As far as pearls to the swine... It's that scenario even on the web - trying to talk about the
metaphysical in the most sophisticated of ways; You will end up in less painful scenarios but still
chastised because your God may not meet their needs. Other than that it beats being torn
apart, eh.

Going on about God...

http://tinyurl.com/plaguecatacomb

I've gone on about omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient God may or may not exist.

It's not cruel in a sense of understanding to me.. But this age, things are very well different.

To experience God personally may mean many things including - triumph or humility.

Most people displace the plague catacombs with the wrath of God. I just find it mesmerizing and beautiful; ultimately, a display Mankind.

 

[Sunstone]

Well, as I see it, a major problem with sharing such experiences with people is that they have nothing to compare them with. That is, the experiences are incomparable and thus people who have no similar experiences have no proper frame of reference for them. Instead, they almost inevitably try to fit what you're saying into whatever frame of reference they do have, which is usually something quite ordinary.

Another problem with sharing is that it seems to have not much purpose to it.

 

[Ingledsva]

It is not a statement of an inferiority of swine. It is a statement of how swine view pearls.
I could just as well use the term "dogs" as did Jesus.

Same thing - same meaning.


Disrespect of people with other views.


On a debate site, people are obviously going to debate what you say.



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