Is Hamas Being Delusional?

[CMike]

And how a country can be free if not having its own army.

As Israel has its own army and weapons then free Palestine should have the right to have its own army and weapons.

Israel due to cowardice is afraid from free strong Palestine, Israelis fled from the battle field when fighting on ground, they fought only for 2 days and run away back to their beds.

There is no palestine, other than jordan.

That said the arab leadership said in words an actions that they wish to destroy all of Israel. They use weapons for that purpose.

So why would Israel let them have more weapons which they turn on Israel for the purpose to destroy it? That would be suicidal.

Also, they are getting closer and closer to Israel's major cities.

Let's say that Israel did give away judea and samaria that would make Israel only 9 miles wide in that region, and make the arab leadership that wants to kill all the jews right near it's major cities.

There are 22 arab states, there are many states where the majority are christians.

There is only one lone itty bitty tiny jewish state. That is the state of Israel.

The rest of the world should let it function in peace, and stop trying to destroy it.

 

[FearGod]

There is no palestine, other than jordan.

That said the arab leadership said in words an actions that they wish to destroy all of Israel. They use weapons for that purpose.

So why would Israel let them have more weapons which they turn on Israel for the purpose to destroy it? That would be suicidal.

Also, they are getting closer and closer to Israel's major cities.

Let's say that Israel did give away judea and samaria that would make Israel only 9 miles wide in that region, and make the arab leadership that wants to kill all the jews right near it's major cities.

There are 22 arab states, there are many states where the majority are christians.

There is only one lone itty bitty tiny jewish state. That is the state of Israel.

The rest of the world should let it function in peace, and stop trying to destroy it.

2 strong peaceful states of Israel and Palestine can be achieved, but to ask Palestinians to leave their homeland to other Arabic states,that can't be achieved.

It is easier for one American to visit Saudi Arabia than a Palestinian.

Palestinians need to get a visa to visit Saudi Arabia and not even easy to get it, whereas the American can visit Saudi Arabia without the need for a visa.

So your suggestion that Palestinians leave Palestine to other Arabic countries can't work.

 

[CMike]

They are not leaving palestine. There is no palestine.

I would be for making a process for making them legal residents of Israel.

Also I didn't mention Saudi Arabia.

The west bank was won from Jordan, and gaza from Egpyt. These people are either jordanian or egyptian.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Not only do antizionists care not a whit about who the aggressor is, but when gentiles haven't been killing them, Jews being killed has otherwise generally been met by gentile yawns, for 3500 years.

You are different though. You care.

 

[FearGod]

They are not leaving palestine. There is no palestine.

I would be for making a process for making them legal residents of Israel.

Also I didn't mention Saudi Arabia.

The west bank was won from Jordan, and gaza from Egpyt. These people are either jordanian or egyptian.

Palestinians won't leave their homeland, they'll keep fighting till they free all Palestine from river to sea.

There is no Israel.

 

[Avi1001]

.....There is no Israel.

Nice, another do - do bird. What universe do you live in ?

 

[CMike]

Palestinians won't leave their homeland, they'll keep fighting till they free all Palestine from river to sea.

There is no Israel.

And that is the problem.

What is the point of giving away the tiny land it has to people whom won't be satisfied until all of Israel is destroyed?

Israel would just be committing suicide

 

[Looncall]

Palestinians won't leave their homeland, they'll keep fighting till they free all Palestine from river to sea.

There is no Israel.

With this sort of stubborn stupidity around, the Gazans are condemned to endless suffering.

They have no hope of succeeding in what you describe. Stupid barbarians.

 

[CMike]

This war has clearly showed what to do.

Israel completely withdrew from Gaza nine years ago.

They forcefully removed jews from their homes in the process which was a travesty.

What was the result?

The Gaza government spent the billions of dollars on aid that was supposed to go for the welfare for the civilians for terror tunnels and rockets.

What do you think will happen if Israel entirely withdrew from judea and samairia (the west bank)?

The same thing.

The PA is almost as bad as Hamas.

The only reason there aren't the terror attacks from judea and samaria is because of the security fence and the checkpoints.

 

[CMike]

Palestinian christians speak

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[Ingledsva]

And that is the problem.

What is the point of giving away the tiny land it has to people whom won't be satisfied until all of Israel is destroyed?

Israel would just be committing suicide

That's a fact.

There was a very interesting discussion on this from both sides, on Al-Jazeera this morning.

One person said it was no different then ISIS and other terrorist groups, and like the countries fighting ISIS, Israel has the right to fight against terrorist groups targeting them.


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[FearGod]

With this sort of stubborn stupidity around, the Gazans are condemned to endless suffering.

They have no hope of succeeding in what you describe. Stupid barbarians.

Crusaders had tried to stay in Palestine and at one point of time they were killed,
I don't think Jews have any future in this area, it is only a matter of time and i believe that their decision to stay in the heart of the Islamic world is kind of suicidal.

Think of it stupid,think of it barbarians,think of it as you wish,but that how i see it.

 

[Phil25]

Crusaders had tried to stay in Palestine and at one point of time they were killed,
I don't think Jews have any future in this area, it is only a matter of time and i believe that their decision to stay in the heart of the Islamic world is kind of suicidal.

Think of it stupid,think of it barbarians,think of it as you wish,but that how i see it.

If Israel ever has to fight for its life, there will more than just Jews fighting FOR Israel.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Crusaders had tried to stay in Palestine and at one point of time they were killed,
I don't think Jews have any future in this area, it is only a matter of time and i believe that their decision to stay in the heart of the Islamic world is kind of suicidal.

Think of it stupid,think of it barbarians,think of it as you wish,but that how i see it.

That mentality isn't helpful to anyone. All peoples should be able to live together and live where they please. Arabs, Jews, Christians, etc. should all have a future in that area. People need to grow the hell up and act like mature and ethical human beings.

 

[FearGod]

That mentality isn't helpful to anyone. All peoples should be able to live together and live where they please. Arabs, Jews, Christians, etc. should all have a future in that area. People need to grow the hell up and act like mature and ethical human beings.

Yes i agree that they should live together in peace, but i don't think Jews want to live in Peace, CMike said there is no Palestine but Israel.

They are not leaving palestine. There is no palestine.

I would be for making a process for making them legal residents of Israel.

Also I didn't mention Saudi Arabia.

The west bank was won from Jordan, and gaza from Egpyt. These people are either jordanian or egyptian.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yes i agree that they should live together in peace, but i don't think Jews want to live in Peace, CMike said there is no Palestine but Israel.

I'm aware of CMike's extremist Zionist rhetoric and I completely reject it, just as I reject the extremist rhetoric of Hamas and Islamic Jihad. I'm not in favor of a Jewish state, an Islamic state or a two-state solution. I do not support ethnicity or religion-based states at all (that can go for Vatican City, too, I don't care since that was only given to the Vatican by the Fascists in the last century). I favor a one-state solution. I think Israel, Palestine and Jerusalem should be unified and transformed into a multiethnic, secular, liberal democracy like we have in the US that is not named either Israel nor Palestine and with a new flag. The Israeli and Palestinian citizens can have both of their citizenships transferred to this new state. No one ethnicity or religion should have overriding claim to that land and it needs to be shared as it is part of the world's heritage now. The UN should enforce this. That's what should've been done in the first place but the stupid British screwed it up and are largely responsible for the mess that exists now.

I'm not your average anti-Zionist, apparently.

 

[FearGod]

I'm aware of CMike's extremist Zionist rhetoric and I completely reject it, just as I reject the extremist rhetoric of Hamas and Islamic Jihad. I'm not in favor of a Jewish state, an Islamic state or a two-state solution. I do not support ethnicity or religion-based states at all (that can go for Vatican City, too, I don't care since that was only given to the Vatican by the Fascists in the last century). I favor a one-state solution. I think Israel, Palestine and Jerusalem should be unified and transformed into a multiethnic, secular, liberal democracy like we have in the US that is not named either Israel nor Palestine and with a new flag. The Israeli and Palestinian citizens can have both of their citizenships transferred to this new state. No one ethnicity or religion should have overriding claim to that land and it needs to be shared as it is part of the world's heritage now. The UN should enforce this. That's what should've been done in the first place but the stupid British screwed it up and are largely responsible for the mess that exists now.

I'm not your average anti-Zionist, apparently.

Secular state is a good idea but Jews rejected it as they want a Jewish state.
Israel knows that if Iran produced the nuclear weapon then it'll be the end of Israel, and Iran will produce it whether we like it or not.

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Netanyahu: Palestinians Must Accept Jewish State - YouTube

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Secular state is a good idea but Jews rejected it as they want a Jewish state.
Israel knows that if Iran produced the nuclear weapon then it'll be the end of Israel, and Iran will produce it whether we like it or not.

I don't care what the extremist Zionists want. People like Netanyahu are part of the problem and need to be kicked out of power. Instead, it's the moderate and progressive Israelis and Palestinians that need to be reached on this issue.

I'm also not convinced that Iran is seeking nuclear weapons. Israel can shut up on that one since they're known to have a huge arsenal of nukes.

 

[Smart_Guy]

A very good, well put, post. Thank you.

I'm only trying my best to be fair, considerate and rational

 

[Alceste]

Before 2005? What do you want Israel left Gaza completely in 2005. And after two years of rocket and suicide bomber attacks the blockade began.

Cry me a river.

Those who cannot see that both sides of any territorial dispute have legitimate concerns and complaints are condemned to eternal warfare.I hope that's what they aspire to, because that is the only possible outcome.