Do We Really Need This Kind of Bigotry?

[Alceste]

Somehow that fact is escaping everyone's notice.

Yeah, it's kind of fascinating. Two Muslims get married, a group of sexist, racist thugs who want to curtail the freedoms of Jewish women show up at the wedding chanting "death to Arabs", and instead of discussing the subject we're neck deep in apologetics for the whole bigoted concept of anti-miscegination. And most of the arguments seem to amount to " It isn't bigoted if Jews are doing it... " Apparently Jewish people have a special dispensation to do and say bigoted things without being called out for bigotry. Post WWII guilt on the part of the West, perhaps?

 

[Alceste]

The most important order of business: please for the love of the gods and goddesses add an "r" in "Bigoty" in the title of this thread. This is of paramount importance. All else be damned.

You forget, it isn't really bigotry.

 

[Poeticus]

You forget, it isn't really bigotry.

Maybe, maybe not. But every time I read the title, I can't help but read it as "do we really need this kind of big booty ?" .

 

[Sees]

Maybe, maybe not. But every time I read the title, I can't help but read it as "do we really need this kind of big booty ?" .

I think of Quagmire

 

[Alceste]

Maybe, maybe not. But every time I read the title, I can't help but read it as "do we really need this kind of big booty ?" .

Lol! I say yes.

 

[Poeticus]

I think of Quagmire

Lol! I say yes.

Shhh ... he'll hear you. His monkey is probably watching as well. Crap. He found mellkjdfjlkf ask elf .d dd. s ..............

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Yeah, it's kind of fascinating. Two Muslims get married, a group of sexist, racist thugs who want to curtail the freedoms of Jewish women show up at the wedding chanting "death to Arabs", and instead of discussing the subject we're neck deep in apologetics for the whole bigoted concept of anti-miscegination. And most of the arguments seem to amount to " It isn't bigoted if Jews are doing it... " Apparently Jewish people have a special dispensation to do and say bigoted things without being called out for bigotry. Post WWII guilt on the part of the West, perhaps?

Reason: This should not be considered an intermarriage because she converted to Islam. Therefore there should be no opposition.

Unreason: I oppose it because she is a Jew!

Reason: Then you oppose it on the basis of race and ethnicity.

Unreason: No! I oppose it because when two people of different religions marry, it is intermarriage!

Reason: This should not be considered an intermarriage because she converted to Islam. Therefore there should be no opposition.


...and the circle goes on and on and on.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Levite, Luis Dantas, Jayhawker and many others all defended the group's racist ideology to some degree or other while (faintly, Imo) criticizing their tactics.

This is a disgusting and outrageous lie.

And, for the record, my wife and I have been long-time supporters and defenders of the Israel Religious Action Center - an organization that has been at the forefront of the Women's Movement in Israel. That support has run the gamut from financial aid to participation in the Freedom Rides. You simply haven't a clue what you're talking about.

 

[MD]

This is a Muslim couple.

There is a good chance she converted to support Islamic law of the marriage between Muslims. I bet she didn't sit down and spend years in religious study comparing Judaism vs Islam. She did it for love, and he allowed it as his faith has grown. Did he consider converting to Judaism? Will their kids be exposed to both faiths to choose? I will guess the answer to all of these questions is a resounding NO.

This is something feminists should be asking. Why do they denounce one form of patriarchy for another?

 

[MD]

All I see here is...PQRST...PQRST...asystole

Lol

 

[Alceste]

There is a good chance she converted to support Islamic law of the marriage between Muslims. I bet she didn't sit down and spend years in religious study comparing Judaism vs Islam. She did it for love, and he allowed it as his faith has grown. Did he consider converting to Judaism? Will their kids be exposed to both faiths to choose? I will guess the answer to all of these questions is a resounding NO.

This is something feminists should be asking. Why do they denounce one form of patriarchy for another?

It is illegal for Jews to marry non-Jews in Israel. Why are you trying to shift the blame onto Islam?

Yes, it is possible she converted to be compliant with a twisted, backwards, bigoted and oppressive law: an Israeli one. Sharia law is not in effect in Israel.

 

[MD]

It is illegal for Jews to marry non-Jews in Israel. Why are you trying to shift the blame onto Islam?

Yes, it is possible she converted to be compliant with a twisted, backwards, bigoted and oppressive law: an Israeli one. Sharia law is not in effect in Israel.

Her marriage is null in the face of Islamic law. Islamic law is divine. As such it is ABOVE any man made laws. Their marriage would not have been recognized by the man's family as it wouldn't be divine.

He should have converted to Judaism then. Why the double standard?

This happens in India all the time, when Hindu women convert to Islam for love even though India does not have Sharia law.

 

[Poeticus]

All I see here is...PQRST...PQRST...asystole

Lol

Haha. In hindsight, I believe Sees was talking about Quagmire from Family Guy. Instead, I mistakenly thought of the RF admin named Quagmire who has an imaginary, evil monkey that lfdlfsdlnsflkjf ... crap not again .... flskdjfjljflkd jflnel .......................

This happens in India all the time, when Hindu women convert to Islam for love even though India does not have Sharia law.

Don't even get me started on the anti-female, anti-Hindu, anti-Sikh, anti-Parsi, anti-Christian, South Asian reality that is Love Jihad.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Her marriage is null in the face of Islamic law.

Nope, her conversion and marriage are pretty much in compliance with Islamic tradition.

Their marriage would not have been recognized by the man's family as it wouldn't be divine.

Nope. His family helped celebrate the marriage.

He should have converted to Judaism then. Why the double standard?

Don't know and it ain't none of our business.

This happens in India all the time, when Hindu women convert to Islam for love even though India does not have Sharia law.

And?

 

[MD]

Don't even get me started on the anti-female, anti-Hindu, anti-Sikh, anti-Parsi, anti-Christian, South Asian reality that is Love Jihad.

If you stay silent, the supporters of fascism win.

 

[MD]

Nope, her conversion and marriage are pretty much in compliance with Islamic tradition.


Nope. His family helped celebrate the marriage.


Don't know and it ain't none of our business.


And?

Are you pretending to be slow or did you completely miss the point I was making?

 

[Alceste]

This is a disgusting and outrageous lie.

And, for the record, my wife and I have been long-time supporters and defenders of the Israel Religious Action Center - an organization that has been at the forefront of the Women's Movement in Israel. That support has run the gamut from financial aid to participation in the Freedom Rides. You simply haven't a clue what you're talking about.

I apologize for causing offense. I have interpreted the responses to the OP that focus on defending anti-miscegination philosophically, attempting to provide historical or cultural context for Lehava's ideology, and attempting to portray those who share it in a sympathetic light as "defending" Lehava. Would you say that is an incorrect interpretation? Would you agree that Lehava are a pack of racist, sexist thugs, and perhaps a thread about their harassment of an innocent Muslim couple on their wedding day is not the ideal place for exploring apologetics for Jewish communalism and intermarriage?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Are you pretending to be slow or did you completely miss the point I was making?

You actually have a point? I just thought you were spouting bull **** about something you don't know anything about. In fact I think is obvious you were spouting bull **** about something you don't know anything about.

 

[Alceste]

Her marriage is null in the face of Islamic law. Islamic law is divine. As such it is ABOVE any man made laws. Their marriage would not have been recognized by the man's family as it wouldn't be divine.

He should have converted to Judaism then. Why the double standard?

This happens in India all the time, when Hindu women convert to Islam for love even though India does not have Sharia law.

Neither of them should be required to convert. The law in Israel is oppressive and absurd. There's no double standard here, and Islamic law is not in effect in Israel.

 

[MD]

You actually have a point? I just thought you were spouting bull **** about something you don't know anything about. In fact I think is obvious you were spouting bull **** about something you don't know anything about.

I know far more about the world than you do, especially that part of the world. All you know is to whine and rant angrily on RF hoping someone takes you seriously.