Is Zoroastrianism (religion of Prophet Zarathushtra) a revealed religion?

[paarsurrey]

Zoroastrians and non- Zoroastrians are welcome to comment.

Regards

 

[MD]

Zoroastrians and non- Zoroastrians are welcome to comment.

Regards

Depends on how you define 'revealed'

 

[paarsurrey]

Is Zoroastrianism (religion of Prophet Zarathushtra) a revealed religion?

Depends on how you define 'revealed'

The One-True-God converses with a Prophet of Him, so the One-True-God is the author of the Converse; the Prophet memorizes it by heart and for preservation of the Word Revealed the Prophet himself pens it down or dictates it to somebody for writing. From the Prophet his followers also commit it to their memory.

This is what I understand informally; subject to correction; if it lacks something.

How do you understand it? Please

Others may give their thought on revelation.

Regards

 

[MD]

I think the definition is open to interpretation. I think Buddha was 'revealed' truths and I obviously do believe Zoroaster connected with the cosmic consciousness which I call God. I think it applies to several other people in history as well, I think a lot of people have connected with the same consciousness, whether it be Sufi Saints or Tibetan Monks.

I don't know what other people would think, but Shias do see us as people of the book if that's what you're pertaining to. It's why our persecution in Iran is less than compared to say the Bahai.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I think the definition is open to interpretation. I think Buddha was 'revealed' truths and I obviously do believe Zoroaster connected with the cosmic consciousness which I call God. I think it applies to several other people in history as well, I think a lot of people have connected with the same consciousness, whether it be Sufi Saints or Tibetan Monks.

I don't know what other people would think, but Shias do see us as people of the book if that's what you're pertaining to. It's why our persecution in Iran is less than compared to say the Bahai.

That is exactly what I believe, some of us come upon revelation quite naturally like the Buddha or Zoroaster and not by a miracle. Divine revelation does not necessarily mean the miraculous but can be natural.

 

[paarsurrey]

I think the definition is open to interpretation. I think Buddha was 'revealed' truths and I obviously do believe Zoroaster connected with the cosmic consciousness which I call God. I think it applies to several other people in history as well, I think a lot of people have connected with the same consciousness, whether it be Sufi Saints or Tibetan Monks.

I don't know what other people would think, but Shias do see us as people of the book if that's what you're pertaining to. It's why our persecution in Iran is less than compared to say the Bahai.

I quote following lines from a Zoroastrian site:
1. The question that is often posed by those who have no Faith in the Revealed Religion is: Are there any scriptural references to suggest that all 21 Nasks were indeed penned by Asho Zarathushtra?
2. To suggest even remotely that the Gathas and only Gathas belong to Zarathushtra and the rest of Avesta is the product of the priests and Magis of the post-Zarathushtrian period of the Sassasian era is absurd and ridiculous, and can be best described as a figment of ones imagination.

Gathas vs. 'later-Avesta' - a Rebuttal: by Adil J. Govadia

How would you comment on the above points?

The person writing those lines is in line with my understanding of the phenomenon described in the word “revealed”.

Revelation is always natural, else it would be unnatural and fake; but the Prophet does not claim to have authored the Word revealed; he announce disclaimer to its being from his own self.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

That is exactly what I believe, some of us come upon revelation quite naturally like the Buddha or Zoroaster and not by a miracle. Divine revelation does not necessarily mean the miraculous but can be natural.

Revelation is always natural, else it would be unnatural and fake; but the Prophet does not claim to have authored the Word revealed; he announce disclaimer to its being from his own self.

Regards

 

[MD]

I quote following lines from a Zoroastrian site:
1. The question that is often posed by those who have no Faith in the Revealed Religion is: Are there any scriptural references to suggest that all 21 Nasks were indeed penned by Asho Zarathushtra?
2. To suggest even remotely that the Gathas and only Gathas belong to Zarathushtra and the rest of Avesta is the product of the priests and Magis of the post-Zarathushtrian period of the Sassasian era is absurd and ridiculous, and can be best described as a figment of ones imagination.

Gathas vs. 'later-Avesta' - a Rebuttal: by Adil J. Govadia

How would you comment on the above points?

The person writing those lines is in line with my understanding of the phenomenon described in the word “revealed”.

Revelation is always natural, else it would be unnatural and fake; but the Prophet does not claim to have authored the Word revealed; he announce disclaimer to its being from his own self.

Regards

Again I'm not really sure whether you're trying to discredit the notion that Zoroastrianism is a revealed religion or not, but if you actually have read the story of Zoroaster and how the Divine was revealed it is similar to Mohammed's revelation.

In the end it comes down to faith and cultural identity, no religions have a lot of proof that everything which happened was true, but we take it on faith.

 

[outhouse]

revealed

To date, there is no such a thing as "revealed" factually it is only perceived as such.

This religion factually evolved from pre existing beliefs in that geographic area.

 

[Amechania]

If you believe Ahura Mazda is the equivalent of Allah then I suppose you could consider Zoroastrianism a revealed religion.

 

[paarsurrey]

Again I'm not really sure whether you're trying to discredit the notion that Zoroastrianism is a revealed religion or not, but if you actually have read the story of Zoroaster and how the Divine was revealed it is similar to Mohammed's revelation.

In the end it comes down to faith and cultural identity, no religions have a lot of proof that everything which happened was true, but we take it on faith.

I believe that Zoroaster got Word of Revelation from the One-True-God and he was a truthful prophet of G-d.

I don't want to discredit Zoroaster. You may consider me one of his fans.

I also believe that Cyrus-the Great, a renowned Zoroastrian was also a truthful prophet of G-d. I also admire him.

I have another little question.

Did Zoroaster prophecy that the writings he penned down would never be destroyed due to the vagaries of the time ? Please

Regards

 

[outhouse]

I believe that Zoroaster got Word of Revelation from the One-True-God and he was a truthful prophet of G-d.

Your belief does not matter to anything historical, or theological. It is opinion, and so far you have only shown yours to be less then credible.

 

[paarsurrey]

If you believe Ahura Mazda is the equivalent of Allah then I suppose you could consider Zoroastrianism a revealed religion.

I do believe Ahura Mazda is a good name or attribute of Allah; hence Zoroaster was a truthful Prophet of Allah.

I have a little question.

Did Zoroaster prophecy that the writings he penned down would never be destroyed due to the vagaries of the time ? Please

Regards

 

[Flankerl]

I think neither Zoroaster or Zoroastrians care.

And they shouldnt.

 

[MD]

I do believe Ahura Mazda is a good name or attribute of Allah; hence Zoroaster was a truthful Prophet of Allah.

I have a little question.

Did Zoroaster prophecy that the writings he penned down would never be destroyed due to the vagaries of the time ? Please

Regards

A lot of the Zoroastrian texts were destroyed by Arab Islamic armies when they defeated the Sassanians. It helped weaken the power of the Zoroastrian clergy.

That's why Zoroastrianism has become more of a philosophy than a religion now. It's also probably why it is dying.

I am probably one of the most out spoken and conservative Zoroastrians you will ever come across, if you come across any. Most of us are super liberal.

 

[paarsurrey]

A lot of the Zoroastrian texts were destroyed by Arab Islamic armies when they defeated the Sassanians. It helped weaken the power of the Zoroastrian clergy.

That's why Zoroastrianism has become more of a philosophy than a religion now. It's also probably why it is dying.

I am probably one of the most out spoken and conservative Zoroastrians you will ever come across, if you come across any. Most of us are super liberal.

Are Conservative Zoroastrians different from the Traditional Zoroastrians? Please

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

A lot of the Zoroastrian texts were destroyed by Arab Islamic armies when they defeated the Sassanians. It helped weaken the power of the Zoroastrian clergy.

That's why Zoroastrianism has become more of a philosophy than a religion now. It's also probably why it is dying.

I am probably one of the most out spoken and conservative Zoroastrians you will ever come across, if you come across any. Most of us are super liberal.

You mean the religion and the Word revealed on Zoroaster from G-d is not in its original form?

Was it destined to die out like this? Anything Zoroaster said about it.

Regards

 

[Ryujin]

A lot of the Zoroastrian texts were destroyed by Arab Islamic armies when they defeated the Sassanians. It helped weaken the power of the Zoroastrian clergy.

That's why Zoroastrianism has become more of a philosophy than a religion now. It's also probably why it is dying.

I am probably one of the most out spoken and conservative Zoroastrians you will ever come across, if you come across any. Most of us are super liberal.

Really? You always seemed to me to be a more liberal Zoroastrian. I wonder, though, Since you acknowledge that it is dying, do you think converts should be accepted?

 

[paarsurrey]

Really? You always seemed to me to be a more liberal Zoroastrian. I wonder, though, Since you acknowledge that it is dying, do you think converts should be accepted?

Is Zoroastrianism dying a natural death?

Why?

Regards

 

[Ryujin]

Is Zoroastrianism dying a natural death?

Why?

Regards

Before answering, I'd like to say that I love the Zoroastrian culture. I've attended their festivals that were held by Iranis and Parsis in Florida and it affected me profoundly. That said, I would say it is dying a natural death since the things that are contributing to it's decline are not coming from an outside force but instead are things that the Zoroastrians could change. Just things like allowing people to convert or marry into Zoroastrianism or allowing members to marry outside of the faith would go far to slowing it's decline.

Furthermore, it isn't just that it's members are dying out. A great many stop identifying with it of their own accord and instead adopt Islam or Hinduism because they begin to feel like those faiths can fulfill their spiritual needs better. The marketplace of ideas at work, I suppose.


All this said, though, I don't thing it would be dying this natural death, had, as Shaz mentioned, the Arab armies not dealt such a severe blow to the religion by getting rid of many of their writings and by not allowing the Sages and Magis to teach and spread their, now lost, knowledge.

Anyway, to answer your question, yes, I believe it is, and find that to be a shame.