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Is porn the new main focus in crusades of nonsense?

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Interesting that you chose these particular books to support your contention that porn is bad.


Amazon.com: Pornography: The Other Side (9780313360572): F. M. Christensen: Books
From Library Journal
Christensen believes that pornography is not just to be tolerated: It is good in itself. Furthermore, campaigns against it are immoral and often supported by "absurd" arguments involving "semantic cheating." Christensen claims that women are less likely to be aroused by pornography than men--he thinks they prefer romantic tales--but that it works for men. Women may complain that this promotes sexual harassment, but Christensen thinks the added burden is proportionately trivial and that prohibiting pornography tends to stimulate perversion. Instead, we should work for a more open society in which women could better cope with their own sexual needs. Those who think we should pay more attention to sex or that the world would be better with more sexually aroused males will like this book.


The Porn Merchants: Gary W. Potter
Published 28 years ago, and not one on-line blurb that indicates the thrust or conclusions of the work.

But you have obviously read it, so, care to enlighten us?

In it Christensen makes a case for mainstreaming the industry to divorce it from the sleazy underbelly that it has been relegated too. Amazon offer a sneak peek and if you read it you'll see Christensen makes some of the same points I do.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Sorry, sometimes I use that term as a blanket term for geeks or freaks. Yeah, women watch porn and their tastes can be disturbing. That sick little **** James Deen is popular among women, it's like some want to see their twisted 50 Shade of Grey fantasies played out in live action hardcore. But that is neither here or there, because I am not approaching the subject as a feminist (many sex+ feminist would disagree with me), I am approaching it as a socialist.
I've never read 50 Shades, but a member here who has, who is also into those "twisted fantasies" said it's not the twisted abusive relationship most people make it out to be.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
I've never read 50 Shades, but a member here who has, who is also into those "twisted fantasies" said it's not the twisted abusive relationship most people make it out to be.

It is a misandric portrayal of men as narcissistic bipolar manipulators of women. It's like Twilight for adults.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
In it Christensen makes a case for mainstreaming the industry to divorce it from the sleazy underbelly that it has been relegated too.
If there's been a sleazy underbelly that it's been relegated to, it can only have been the doing of uptight, fundamentalist prigs. After all, it's these people who delight in railing against sex in any form that isn't preformed but once a month in the missionary position behind locked bedroom doors . . ."and please turn off the lights dear."

That said, Christensen is right on target in trying to divorce porn from its unsavory image of the past.

And, I'm still interested in The Porn Merchants you suggested. what's its thrust and conclusions?
 
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CynthiaCypher

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If there's been a sleazy underbelly that it's been relegated to, it can only have been the doing of uptight, fundamentalist prigs. After all, it's these people who delight in railing against sex in any form that isn't preformed but once a month in the missionary position behind locked bedroom doors . . ."and please turn off the lights dear."

That said, Christensen is right on target in trying to divorce porn from its unsavory image of the past.

It is just not an image but a reality, much of the porn today is still produced by that sleazy underbelly that exploits both male and female performers. Maybe if it was mainstreamed less violent porn would be produced and the workers would be better protected. Hopefully it will move away from the unrealistic gender portrayals that pervade it, like real men must have 10 inch penises and the only sexy women have big artificially inflated breasts. I know it sort of is moving towards portraying women with normal physiques but in the past that wasn't the case.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
And, I'm still interested in The Porn Merchants you suggested. what's its thrust and conclusions?

Gary W. Potter is a criminal justice researcher, the book is largely investigative as to whether organized crime is involved with the porno industry and his conclusion is that it is.
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Did I err in assuming that you would've read what you've quoted? How did "Do the women who watch porn also have neckbeards or is this just misandry from you?" not make it clear?

Did you read the rest of the thread whereas I apologized for using the term "neckbeards" in regards to porn consumers? No, you probably just skipped over that.
 

Thruve

Sheppard for the Die Hard
What's the correlation between economic models and depictions of sex and nudity?


Heterosexuals perform in gay porn because it pays more? Meaning there is an increase in demand- and/or is seen as more enticing for viewers, though unrealistic.
 
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CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member
Got an on-line source for this?

I have his email. That's about it. There are probably other online sources regarding whether or not organized crime is involved in porn that you could look up. And you could find the book at a library. It's a big building where you can actually borrow books for free.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
I have his email. That's about it. There are probably other online sources regarding whether or not organized crime is involved in porn that you could look up. And you could find the book at a library. It's a big building where you can actually borrow books for free.
CUTE! :slap:
 

CynthiaCypher

Well-Known Member

Pretty much. They pretty much think the trans rights movement is the Homosexual Agenda Ver. 2.0. In other words, they think we're a more extreme form of the gay rights movement who are out to attack gender itself.

Porn is also having an effect of warping people's views of relationships, especially men and kids who are raised in our pornofied culture:

How Porn Is Affecting the Libido of the American Male -- New York Magazine
Why Learning About Sex From the Web Comes With Drawbacks -- New York Magazine
This is Rape Culture | Ex-Pornstars on the Porn Industry

Personally, the problem isn't so much that sexually explicit videos and pictures exist but the industry and the message it is putting out. There is a lot of exploitation and abuse in the porn industry. Many porn actresses have been victims of sexual abuse (for example, Jenna Jameson, who was raped as a young girl) and they are abused on set. They are many clips of women freaking out during porn shoots, crying, saying "no" and being abused. Drug abuse and alcoholism is rampant, as are physical injuries especially to the vagina and anus. Suicide and suicide attempts is also not a rarity, same with STDs. They also put out sexist, racist, homophobic and transphobic messages, as it is a reflection of our disgusting, bigoted culture. It is turning sex into a mere commodity with no humanity left in it. It makes sex ugly and robotic.

At the root of it, besides the socially-ingrained bigotries it reinforces, is the plague of capitalist consumerism that mass markets it. It is the same problem as with the music industry making art into into a bland commodity and the fashion industry abusing its models (for example, Terry Richardson's abuse of models and the fashion industry's complacency in it) and spreading negative messages about body images. It's all fake and hurting our perceptions of ourselves and others.

I'll be honest, I do watch porn because I have no other sexual outlet and I'm very sexually frustrated and lonely. I'd much rather have real human companionship and someone to make love to, however, than a cheap and fake alternative.

Quoted for truth.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
What's the correlation between economic models and depictions of sex and nudity?

Capitalist consumerism causes the least common denominator to rise to the top. Look at most entertainment - it's vapid and soulless. Look at the Top 40 charts. Mostly boring autotuned garbage that all sounds the same. Look at the fashion industry - mostly a bunch of starving waifs with coke problems wearing the skins of brutalized animals or clothes made by sweatshop slaves in third world countries and that is considered elite haute couture fashion that you would be robbed of in some areas for wearing. With capitalism, there are no ethics. Whatever they can mass produce and cook up an ad campaign for is good enough, no matter how damaging or mediocre it is.

With most porn, it plays up to our most base ideas of what sex is and what the relationship is between men and women and people of different ethnicities. It does not present a healthy and natural view of sex. It's mostly fake and presents caricatures of people. Women with fake bleached blonde hair, huge breast implants and other plastic surgery, fakely moaning ecstatically while being roughly rammed in all orifices and drenched in bodily fluids. Men with giant penises (or penises that are made to look huge through camera angle tricks) and bodybuilder physiques or men who are fat slobs screwing pretty young girls (Ron Jeremy, for example). Porn is also very racist, playing on the long-held racist notion of black men being ravenous animals with giant penises who prey on "innocent" petite, pale, blonde, blue eyed white girls (apparently the biggest market for that sort of porn is actually white men).

Yes, there is porn that is actually woman friendly, romantic and passionate and porn that presents a healthier view of sexuality and a wider range of bodies. But that's not the porn that sells. That's not the porn that people are watching. Industries based around consumerism do not support that which is "higher" and most beautiful in humanity. Industries based around profit must make their product sell to the highest number of people at the least cost to themselves. The way to do that is simple psychology. You play on people's insecurities and prejudices, whether subconscious or not. Sexism, racism, homophobia, transphobia, fatphobia, etc. are all deeply ingrained in Western society so the stage is already set for those things to play out in our sexual relations. Pornography is mirroring what is already in us and selling it back to us. Sometimes it's like the case of the chicken and the egg. One thing's for sure, though, our society is very sick and disturbed.

Industries like pornography also prey on the economically disadvantaged and those who have been abused. If you're poor or broke, it's all too easy to get sucked into porn. Many porn actresses and actors get into it because they need the money. We've all heard the stereotypes of young girls with dreams who move out to LA with dreams of becoming a Hollywood actress, but fail and end up sucked into Hollywood's nasty sibling. It's much the same reason as why people become strippers, escorts or full-blown hookers. Porn also draws a large amount of rape victims because they are used to being treated like dirt and their already unhealthy view of themselves and sex fits perfectly with much of porn, which is degrading, humiliating, objectifying and exploitative. Those people simply go into dissociative states during porn shoots. I have seen this in clips and seen porn actresses mention it.

Industries like pornography and the modeling industry are built on people's self-hatred and their fantasies of what they wish they looked like and acted like. Most of us don't like our bodies to one degree or another. All of us have envied someone else for their looks (which confer social status in this culture) and felt insecure about ours. We feel too fat, too hairy, our breasts are too small, our penises are too small, our hair is not straight enough, our eyes are not blue enough, our skin is not light enough, our skin is not smooth enough, our muscles are not toned enough, etc. So we will spend huge amounts of cash in order to artificially acquire the traits that we so covet.

Humans are social animals. We all want to fit in and be accepted. The entertainment industry takes these simple social instincts and turns it around, makes it ugly and blows it out of proportion. So now we not only want to be accepted, we want to be "cool", rich and famous because that is how our culture says our value is measured by. We will throw our dignity out of the window to become this distorted image. We will destroy ourselves to do so. After all, everyone wants to be a somebody and nobody wants to be a nobody. And who are we but nobodies?
 
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