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Is the "crcifixion" just a metaphor?

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
The crucifixion part of the NT always seemed slightly sketchy to me, and the "narrative ends quickly..is the crucifixion merely a convenient way to end the story? Is it just saying ,Jesus left'... /went to india or whatever/..

Any opinions on this?
 
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oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
Hi.....

The tales of Jesus surviving and travelling to different places do deserve consideration:-
1. Jesus travelled to Gaul with Mary of Magdala and they had a child, a daughter.
2. Jesus travelling to Kashmir where he died.
3. Jesus travelling to Cornwall with Joseph of Arimathea.
.......and maybe others.

After all, the people might have saved Jesus when they appealed to Pilate to pardon and release Jesus, Son of God (Jesus Bar Abba). I realise that BarAbba means 'son of the Father', but to the Galileans it may well have meant 'Son of God'.

....... or Joseph of Arimathea could have taken a live Jesus down from the cross, after only six hours, whereas it could often take three days to die in crucifixion.

So your point is worth much consideration.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
The tales of Jesus surviving and travelling to different places do deserve consideration:-

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By who? Not any credible scholars or historians.


Romans were masters at butchering people.

His crucifixion and baptism are said to be historical facts about his life.
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
By who? Not any credible scholars or historians.


Romans were masters at butchering people.

His crucifixion and baptism are said to be historical facts about his life.


So you're merely picking and choosing what to believe, and what not to believe, to fit your own narrative?:p


okayyyyyyyyyy....thanks for responding.:)
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
Crucifixion is an old archetype for self-sacrifice of the false ego and rebirth into greater spiritual knowledge and is found in various religions. Yes, it's just a metaphor. I'm not convinced that Jesus actually existed and I find that his story is best viewed as an allegory for spiritual ascension to Christhood.
 
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psychoslice

Veteran Member
Yes for me it deffently is a metaphor, to die to our old self and be renewed to our true self the Christ, Buddha or whatever name you like, the body nailed to the cross is sort of nailing all of our senses as a mind body organism, so that we can be born again and renewened to our true inner self. For too long now many have lived a life of guilt, believing they were responsable for the death of Jesus, this isn't how true religion should be, everything in scripture points to us, its not really the story of Jesus, its our own personal story.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
How about recognizing that the way Christians view the crucifixion is an even more barbaric twist on the already barbaric, immoral idea of scapegoating?
 

outhouse

Atheistically
We know, because we've argued with him over this stuff many times before.

You hold the minority view. There really is no credible backing to jesus mythicist.


Meanwhile historians and scholars as a whole follow my view listed here as common knowledge.

Arguements from ignorance hold little appeal to me.

MY VIEW

Historical Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Despite divergent scholarly opinions on the construction of portraits of the historical Jesus, almost all modern scholars consider his baptism and crucifixion to be historical facts


Most contemporary scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and most biblical scholars and classical historians see the theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted


YOUR VIEW


Although a very small number of modern scholars argue that Jesus never existed, that view is a distinct minority and virtually all scholars consider theories that Jesus' existence was a Christian invention as implausible
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
You hold the minority view. There really is no credible backing to jesus mythicist.


Meanwhile historians and scholars as a whole follow my view listed here as common knowledge.

Arguements from ignorance hold little appeal to me.

MY VIEW

Historical Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Despite divergent scholarly opinions on the construction of portraits of the historical Jesus, almost all modern scholars consider his baptism and crucifixion to be historical facts


Most contemporary scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and most biblical scholars and classical historians see the theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted


YOUR VIEW


Although a very small number of modern scholars argue that Jesus never existed, that view is a distinct minority and virtually all scholars consider theories that Jesus' existence was a Christian invention as implausible

Blah blah blah. That's nice. :rolleyes:
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
I asked you the questions.


You've already stated your opinion, supplied the usual 'link' ...blah blah blah that supports your viewpoint, so no reason to continiually argue on my thread,,, aside from the fact that my OP isn't saying that jesus never existed...your strawman arguments aren't appropriate for this discussion.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Crucifixion is an old archetype for self-sacrifice of the false ego and rebirth into greater spiritual knowledge and is found in various religions. Yes, it's just a metaphor. I'm not convinced that Jesus actually existed and I find that his story is best viewed as an allegory for spiritual ascension to Christhood.



Yep, I also think that is why the picture of the two thieves that comes down to us, - is of one up, and one down, - descending and ascending.



*
 

steeltoes

Junior member
The crucifixion part of the NT always seemed slightly sketchy to me, and the "narrative ends quickly..is the crucifixion merely a convenient way to end the story? Is it just saying ,Jesus left'... /went to india or whatever/..

Any opinions on this?

At the beginning of Acts of the Apostles Jesus ascends up into the heavens where we suppose He continues to do good not unlike the good ol' cowboy that rides off into the sunset.
 
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