Have you ever found a single bug in Islam?

[askersha]

I am a Muslim and I have no sect,

Quran says regarding this issue
"And hold firmly to the rope of Allah(Quran and Sunnah) all together and do not become divided" Quran 3:103

The Hadith predicts that there will be 73 sects in Islam and that only one SECT will deserve Heaven out of 73.

 

[technomage]

if whole world is against truth and very few people are on right side, it does not mean that now false is truth as more people are following false. We have many examples, Prophet Nooh Alehi salam preached for more than 900 years, and less than 100 people accepted his teachings. And then rest of the people were finally destroyed.
It is obvious that problem is with our own thinking.

I believe that is precisely what I said, Farrukh.

 

[LuisDantas]

The Hadith predicts that there will be 73 sects in Islam and that only one SECT will deserve Heaven out of 73.

I take it that it is a Hadith that does not enjoy a lot of prestige, then. Because it is pretty difficult to reconciliate a God worth of worship as the one true God with such a notion.

 

[LuisDantas]

if whole world is against truth and very few people are on right side, it does not mean that now false is truth as more people are following false. We have many examples, Prophet Nooh Alehi salam preached for more than 900 years, and less than 100 people accepted his teachings. And then rest of the people were finally destroyed.
It is obvious that problem is with our own thinking.

Fair enough.

But you I hope you understand that yours is no argument for conversion of atheists into Islam. Any attempts would end up being a choice between our own personal, sincere testimonial and the expectations of others.

If God somehow approves of that... then he is not God at all.

 

[LuisDantas]

hi there! you are not the first person who is thinking in this way, Allah has challenged all those who don't believe in Quran, "And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah(meaning Chapter) the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful" Quran 2:23
1400 years passed, no once ever came up with a single chapter like the book, how strange!
for you information, smallest chapter number is 108, go and check how long it is.
Now i want to ask you, why no human being is able to accept this challenge of Allah?

There are many conceivable reasons.

One I can think of is that the very same social environment that leads people to want to read the Quran tends to do that by way of removing doubts about the authencity of it first.

Another is that to write a new Surah it takes a certain skill in both religion, Arabic and writing that are not all that common together.

Also, there is at least the appearance of a contradiction in the idea of calling "witnesses other than Allah" for even a proposal of a new Surah.

Then there is the matter that unbelievers don't often think of themselves as "being in doubt". Seekers may be in doubt. Disbelievers usually just disbelieve. I wouldn't realize that there are people who associate "being in doubt" with disbelief in the Quran if you had not just told me that you do.

 

[Farrukh]

The Hadith predicts that there will be 73 sects in Islam and that only one SECT will deserve Heaven out of 73.

Nice point, there are lot of predictions, like "adultery will be committed openly in front of Muslims" but that doesn't mean you go and commit adultery. you have misunderstood this Saying of Prophet peace be upon him. Same case, He is not asking us to split in 73 sects, it was just a prediction.
Askersha was it the reason you changed religion? i mean in those six years of research, you were unable to understand even a single saying of Prophet?

 

[Poeticus]

"have you ever found any bug in Islam?"

Apparently, I have, yes!
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It was about dipping one side of a fly
and its wings into a drink if the fly fell
within; and, afterwards the drink was
advised to be consumed by the holder.​

If I remember correctly, the narrative
had to do with acquiring a cure or that
which may grant something pleasant.​

​

 

[Pastek]

Bug #1:

Quran say, "had it not been from Allah, it would have had contradictions in it."

Thus Quran is claiming that it has no contradictions in it. But I found many contradictions. First we will talk about this one:

In Surah 9: Al-Tauba, right from its beginning, there are strict orders of slaying non-Muslims wherever you find them. The Surah is full of violence.
But Surah Al-Kaafiroon clearly infers that if non-Muslims engage in debate with you, then go on for a while, then if they don't agree with you, then say "for you is your religion and for me is mine." A peaceful strategy.

A contradiction!!!

It was asked so many times. Here an explanation of the sourate : http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3345869-post12.html

Are you the ex-muslim ? I think it's strange to not understand this simple sourate.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Agreed. However, the OP is specifically asking for "bugs" in the Koran.

Yes! This is 'the point'.

How could there be bugs in Islam when Allah was ever ready with new Ayahs whenever Mohammad required it, whether it was marrying the wife of his adopted son or vow of abstinence from sex for thirty days or termination of promises with the jews. So much so that Aisha was forced to mention that Allah was so very partial about the welfare of his Prophet?

 

[Aupmanyav]

The Hadith predicts that there will be 73 sects in Islam and that only one SECT will deserve Heaven out of 73.

There won't be because Muslims will kill the people of rival sects. See what happens to Shias, Bahai, and Ahmadiyyas.

 

[Farrukh]

Apparently, I have, yes!
​

It was about dipping one side of a fly
and its wings into a drink if the fly fell
within; and, afterwards the drink was
advised to be consumed by the holder.​

If I remember correctly, the narrative
had to do with acquiring a cure or that
which may grant something pleasant.​

​

I will try to grab a fly next time she comes near my cup of tea

there is saying of Holy Prophet Peace be upon him
"If a fly falls into one of your containers [of food or drink], immerse it completely before removing it, for under one of its wings there is venom and under another there is its antidote"
it is another Miracle, Allah inspired such things in Muhammad peace be upon him.
Medically it is known that a fly carries some pathogens on some parts of its body (this was mentioned by the Prophet Muhammad [s.a.w.s.] 1,400 years ago, when there was practically no formal medical knowledge). But Allah has said that He created no disease without also creating its remedy, except death (meaning the decline of old age). Therefore, in modern times penicillin has been discovered, which is used to counteract harmful organisms such as staphylococci. However, Dr. Muhammad M. el-Samahy, director of the Department of Hadith at al-Azhar University at Cairo, Egypt, has written an article revealing the astute medical genius of this apparently mysterious advice.
Dr. el-Samahy relates that microbiologists have discovered that there are longitudinal cells living as parasites inside the stomach of the fly. These yeast cells, as part of their own reproductive cycle, protrude through the respiratory tubules of the fly. When the fly is dipped completely into a liquid, the resulting change in the osmotic pressure causes the cells to burst. The contents of those cells is an antidote for pathogens which the fly carries on its body. Thus, the latest research in microbiology confirms what has been known from Prophetic knowledge for 1,400 years.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

There won't be because Muslims will kill the people of rival sects. See what happens to Shias, Bahai, and Ahmadiyyas.

Even that is not related to OP, please note that Baha'i faith is an independent World Religion, with its own Prophet Founders, Holy Books, Laws and Holy Places.

 

[Farrukh]

There won't be because Muslims will kill the people of rival sects. See what happens to Shias, Bahai, and Ahmadiyyas.

if someone driving a car hits an old man walking on side of road, will you blame traffic police department? or will you blame the man driving the car?
same case is here, Allah has prohibited killing of people, if some Muslim killed another Muslim, you can't blame Islam.

 

[McBell]

hi there! you are not the first person who is thinking in this way, Allah has challenged all those who don't believe in Quran, "And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah(meaning Chapter) the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful" Quran 2:23
1400 years passed, no once ever came up with a single chapter like the book, how strange!
for you information, smallest chapter number is 108, go and check how long it is.
Now i want to ask you, why no human being is able to accept this challenge of Allah?

What a load of bull ****.
there have been numerous writings that far surpass the Koran.

Take the worst of Shakespeare for example.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

hi there! you are not the first person who is thinking in this way, Allah has challenged all those who don't believe in Quran, "And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah(meaning Chapter) the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful" Quran 2:23
1400 years passed, no once ever came up with a single chapter like the book, how strange!
for you information, smallest chapter number is 108, go and check how long it is.
Now i want to ask you, why no human being is able to accept this challenge of Allah?

This thread might be of interest to you:

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...uran-challenge-bring-ten-invented-surahs.html

and I put a Surrah revealed by the Bab in the style of Quran in post #113:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2968782-post113.html

 

[InvestigateTruth]

What a load of bull ****.
there have been numerous writings that far surpass the Koran.

Take the worst of Shakespeare for example.

It is a matter of opinion if Shakespeare is better or less than Quran.. What Quran is asking is to bring a Surrah like it, which off course the Bab already brought Surrahs like it in Arabic claiming Allah has revealed them. It should be noted that the Bab was not an Arab, and did not study Arabic. He was only 25 years old, and was trained as a merchant and working in Market as a Merchant, yet He revealed thousands of verses in Arabic in the style of Quran.

 

[gnostic]

It is a matter of opinion if Shakespeare is better or less than Quran.

But the reverse is the same too...it is only a matter of opinion that the Qur'an is better than any other literature. Only Muslims would believe this.

 

[gnostic]

ok, check the size of the stick, [youtube]hC44SDOrIhY[/youtube]
Islam permits Wife Beating with tooth brush Dr.Zakir Naik - YouTube
any problem with this?

I hope that you won't be offended, but Zakir Naik is misogynistic lying idiot. Who have advocated that husbands can beat their wives, and that he believed that forced sex is not "rape", if a man is married to his woman. He viewed women as properties, no different from farm animals or slaves.

And he is really not an Islamic scholar; he is just wanna-be scholar, but is actually no better than a Christian televangelist or fundamentalist creationist, except that he is a Muslim televangelist and creationist.

I have seen TV or YouTube speeches before, particular with regarding to "scientific miracles", and he has turned the Qur'an into pseudoscience, by quoting specific verses, and twisting to mean what he like.

But If you're offended I have said about Naik, that's too bad, because it is true.

BTW, did 6th or 7th century Arabia have toothbrush? Like I said Naik is an idiot, making things up.

And you are contradicting yourself. First you say that wives should be beaten whatsoever, and yet, you quote Naik's YouTube which advocating beating. You can't have it both ways, furrukh.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

But the reverse is the same too...it is only a matter of opinion that the Qur'an is better than any other literature. Only Muslims would believe this.

Yes, but to be fair Quran had a far greater effect on the world than shekspier's. Particularly in the first few centuries it transformed the wild arab tribes to the most advanced civilization in their own time.

 

[Penumbra]

ok, check the size of the stick, [youtube]hC44SDOrIhY[/youtube]
Islam permits Wife Beating with tooth brush Dr.Zakir Naik - YouTube
any problem with this?

Seeing Muslims try to justify the Qur'anic verse about beating wives is hilarious.

Like,
"It says the rod has to be small!"
"Don't hit the face!"
or
"It's only a symbolic beating!"

It's all based around patriarchy, around the awkward idea of the man having the unequal authority in a relationship, regardless of other qualities.

If a man beat me, I'd knock him out. If he lightly beat me, I'd lightly knock him out.