Heaven Hell And Death

[Benoni]

Your post is saying the same thing that I am saying, I have the same issue. To me the foundation for everything is when Lord Jesus said, "Forgive them Father they know not what they do." I think that we have the right to judge the actions of others, but we do not have the right to judge whether they are written in the Book of Life or not. I am judging the "actions" of some believers as wrong and a misrepresentation of what Lord Jesus was all about. Their actions are not Christian. And their actions give Christianity a bad name both today and in the past. At the same time, "Forgive them Father they know not what they do." is the example of the day. I forgive them as a Christian, but I wish they would cut it out because they are giving Lord Jesus a bad name and what they are doing is not Christian.

Understood, I like youre thoughts on this.

I see the vast majority of believers as 30 fold believers and they are walking in the light God has given them. makes these debates interesting. What i find amazing is how when then they loose their debate they cannot accept the new wine of the spirit. I guess their old wine skin has burst and its just too hard for them.

 

[mystic64]

Understood, I like youre thoughts on this.

I see the vast majority of believers as 30 fold believers and they are walking in the light God has given them. makes these debates interesting. What i find amazing is how when then they loose their debate they cannot accept the new wine of the spirit. I guess their old wine skin has burst and its just too hard for them.

Benoni you are fun! "I guess their old wine skin has burst and it is just to hard for them." My old wine skin keeps bursting also and I keep patching it up . I met Lord Jesus when I was five years old and have been a Christian mystic for almost sixty years now. And a Christian yogi mystic for almost forty years now. Lord Jesus said, "Go to your closet and pray." and "By your works you shall be known." Well, I am still in my closet praying and I am not sure that I have any works yet . Lord Jesus said, "Remove the log from your own eye before you attempt to remove the splinter from the eye of another." The hard part is realizing that you even have a log in your eye, let alone removing it. My whole life I thought that I was called to serve Lord Jesus and now almost sixty years later I am still in training!

The hard part of receiving knowledge is the understanding why we and others are the way that we and they are and that change can be a very difficult and painful experience. What does Lord Jesus mean by a "new wine skin?" Based on my experience you have to forget everything that you know and start over again. To be honest with you the human mind is just not designed for that. And I would never ask other people to go through what I have gone through and am still going through. It just wouldn't be right, it is just too painful and frightening. I am glad that I did it and I am glad that I am doing it, but I sure wouldn't ask or demand that other people do it. For some people it is easy because they do not carry very much baggage. But most of us carry a lot of baggage and parting with that baggage is extremely difficult. Personally I think that that is why most of what Lord Jesus is quoted to have said are things that most folks can not do, let alone understand. "Forgive us Father, for we have no idea what we are doing, absolutely none ."

On top of that humility, love, and forgiveness is not of this world of things and in this world of things they are considered a weakness because they make you vulnerable. And they do. Lord Jesus was not of this world and we are. Lord Jesus is totally outside of our box, so to speak, and thinking outside of the box is extremely difficult for most of us. So I keep patching up my old wineskin and it is slowly getting bigger. I really need to get a new one !

 

[Benoni]

Benoni you are fun! "I guess their old wine skin has burst and it is just to hard for them." My old wine skin keeps bursting also and I keep patching it up . I met Lord Jesus when I was five years old and have been a Christian mystic for almost sixty years now. And a Christian yogi mystic for almost forty years now. Lord Jesus said, "Go to your closet and pray." and "By your works you shall be known." Well, I am still in my closet praying and I am not sure that I have any works yet . Lord Jesus said, "Remove the log from your own eye before you attempt to remove the splinter from the eye of another." The hard part is realizing that you even have a log in your eye, let alone removing it. My whole life I thought that I was called to serve Lord Jesus and now almost sixty years later I am still in training!

The hard part of receiving knowledge is the understanding why we and others are the way that we and they are and that change can be a very difficult and painful experience. What does Lord Jesus mean by a "new wine skin?" Based on my experience you have to forget everything that you know and start over again. To be honest with you the human mind is just not designed for that. And I would never ask other people to go through what I have gone through and am still going through. It just wouldn't be right, it is just too painful and frightening. I am glad that I did it and I am glad that I am doing it, but I sure wouldn't ask or demand that other people do it. For some people it is easy because they do not carry very much baggage. But most of us carry a lot of baggage and parting with that baggage is extremely difficult. Personally I think that that is why most of what Lord Jesus is quoted to have said are things that most folks can not do, let alone understand. "Forgive us Father, for we have no idea what we are doing, absolutely none ."

On top of that humility, love, and forgiveness is not of this world of things and in this world of things they are considered a weakness because they make you vulnerable. And they do. Lord Jesus was not of this world and we are. Lord Jesus is totally outside of our box, so to speak, and thinking outside of the box is extremely difficult for most of us. So I keep patching up my old wineskin and it is slowly getting bigger. I really need to get a new one !

Other than the yogi mystic I love what you are saying, you and I have a lot in common; I to have been a Christian for on about 57 years and seeking his mysteries for over 40 years. Certain anointed men outside the camp have helped me hear and see the deep things of God and years and yes the deepness of God’s Word is not for everyone. My biggest pet peeve is the doctrine of God torturing billions of lost souls he never called.

 

[mystic64]

Other than the yogi mystic I love what you are saying, you and I have a lot in common; I to have been a Christian for on about 57 years and seeking his mysteries for over 40 years. Certain anointed men outside the camp have helped me hear and see the deep things of God and years and yes the deepness of God’s Word is not for everyone. My biggest pet peeve is the doctrine of God torturing billions of lost souls he never called.

I became a yogi mystic back around when I was 23 years old because the yogi folk were telling Christians that they the yogi folks could give Christians what they were seeking that the Christian folks felt were missing and could not be found in Christianity. I wanted to see what was real and what was not. The result was that I am an advanced student of "yoga science" which is basically shaman training which the yogi folk call "self realization". What Jesus teaches is different and results in "God realization" instead of self realization. And with the yogi stuff you have to work through your own karma before you can really get started. With Jesus you start out karma free.

"My biggest peeve is the doctrine of God torturing billions of lost souls that He never called." Benoni I can see why that would be disturbing to you. If I believed in it, it would also be disturbing to me. May I ask you this question, "Where in the Bible is there scripture that supports that doctrine?" That doctrine as you described it seems to have a man made quality to it that is not scriptural.

 

[Benoni]

I became a yogi mystic back around when I was 23 years old because the yogi folk were telling Christians that they the yogi folks could give Christians what they were seeking that the Christian folks felt were missing and could not be found in Christianity. I wanted to see what was real and what was not. The result was that I am an advanced student of "yoga science" which is basically shaman training which the yogi folk call "self realization". What Jesus teaches is different and results in "God realization" instead of self realization. And with the yogi stuff you have to work through your own karma before you can really get started. With Jesus you start out karma free.

"My biggest peeve is the doctrine of God torturing billions of lost souls that He never called." Benoni I can see why that would be disturbing to you. If I believed in it, it would also be disturbing to me. May I ask you this question, "Where in the Bible is there scripture that supports that doctrine?" That doctrine as you described it seems to have a man made quality to it that is not scriptural.

It does not support it if you dig just past the surface

 

[mystic64]

It does not support it if you dig just past the surface

I didn't think it would be scriptural if one had a close look at things. In my opinion your pet peeve is very valid. The problem with Scripture is that it is dealing with God and the only way that one can approach and understand God is by being in a state of absolute innocence. We all start out that way, but this world of things soon takes that away from us. What I like about Lord Jesus as my Master, is that with His presence His Father is both approachable and understandable even though we as individuals fall short of the glory of God. And over time we through the Master are returned to the state of innocence.

 

[Benoni]

Amen.. This is a real issue with so many believers. Matt 7:13-15 13 is not speaking to sinners, God’s Word is written to believers because the world could careless what God’s Word says, for they are dead in trespasses and sin.

Matt 7:13-15 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. KJV

A narrow way is your approach to God’s Word with no, I mean no preconceived bias. There is no room for your religious baggage, it is far too narrow. Men follow their false prophets in other words: religion, creeds, dogmas, Popes, pastors and orthodoxy; and reject the Christ with in us all.

 

[mystic64]

Amen.. This is a real issue with so many believers. Matt 7:13-15 13 is not speaking to sinners, God’s Word is written to believers because the world could careless what God’s Word says, for they are dead in trespasses and sin.

Matt 7:13-15 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. KJV

A narrow way is your approach to God’s Word with no, I mean no preconceived bias. There is no room for your religious baggage, it is far too narrow. Men follow their false prophets in other words: religion, creeds, dogmas, Popes, pastors and orthodoxy; and reject the Christ with in us all.

! Benoni, no truer words were ever said! Lets approach it this way just for fun: Lord Jesus said, "I am the way, I am the light, I am the waters of life, and only through Me can you approach the Father." From there we go to, "The Father is in Me, and I am in the Father, and I am in "you"." "This is my blood, drink it; this is my flesh, eat it." To continue farther, in the Gospel of Thomas (the sayings of Jesus) which is not found in Christian Scripture, Lord Jesus continues to say, "At first there is one and then there are two and when there are two all things will become known/understood."

"The straight and narrow path." is the focusing on the presence of Lord Jesus in that which you consider and experience as you. Your mind, body, spirit, and heart. And that which is you can not be physically occupied by the presence of Lord Jesus and not become that which He is. "And by your works you shall be known." When you can feel the presence of Lord Jesus in you, you can definitely feel that there are two of you in there and it feels good. The problem is that His presence within you will cause you to change and if you fear change, then you will not allow Him to be present within you. You do not have to do it, He does it for you, if you allow Him to be present in that which is you.

Christianity is missing a major part of the gift that is Lord Jesus and there is no way that you can explain it to them . Oh well, "By your works you shall be known." That part is going to be interesting and we will see. So far it just feels really good.

 

[Benoni]

! Benoni, no truer words were ever said! Lets approach it this way just for fun: Lord Jesus said, "I am the way, I am the light, I am the waters of life, and only through Me can you approach the Father." From there we go to, "The Father is in Me, and I am in the Father, and I am in "you"." "This is my blood, drink it; this is my flesh, eat it." To continue farther, in the Gospel of Thomas (the sayings of Jesus) which is not found in Christian Scripture, Lord Jesus continues to say, "At first there is one and then there are two and when there are two all things will become known/understood."

"The straight and narrow path." is the focusing on the presence of Lord Jesus in that which you consider and experience as you. Your mind, body, spirit, and heart. And that which is you can not be physically occupied by the presence of Lord Jesus and not become that which He is. "And by your works you shall be known." When you can feel the presence of Lord Jesus in you, you can definitely feel that there are two of you in there and it feels good. The problem is that His presence within you will cause you to change and if you fear change, then you will not allow Him to be present within you. You do not have to do it, He does it for you, if you allow Him to be present in that which is you.

Christianity is missing a major part of the gift that is Lord Jesus and there is no way that you can explain it to them . Oh well, "By your works you shall be known." That part is going to be interesting and we will see. So far it just feels really good.

Here is another awesome thought:

The law is for spiritual children who need a baby sitter,

Wherefore the law was our school-master to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." (Galatians 3:21-24).

A schoolmaster, (the Greek text gives, a child conductor), was one who held the child in restraint as they conducted the child from home to the school, making sure that there was no mischief along the way, and that the child arrived at the school. Then the child was given over to the care of the teacher, and the duty of the child conductor was ended. The child conductor did not stand in the back of the class room and continue to exercise control and authority over the child, for now the Teacher was in control, and there was to be no outside interference. So also, once we have been brought to Christ, and His anointing abides within us, we are to be led by the Spirit.

 

[mystic64]

Here is another awesome thought:

The law is for spiritual children who need a baby sitter,

Wherefore the law was our school-master to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith." (Galatians 3:21-24).

A schoolmaster, (the Greek text gives, a child conductor), was one who held the child in restraint as they conducted the child from home to the school, making sure that there was no mischief along the way, and that the child arrived at the school. Then the child was given over to the care of the teacher, and the duty of the child conductor was ended. The child conductor did not stand in the back of the class room and continue to exercise control and authority over the child, for now the Teacher was in control, and there was to be no outside interference. So also, once we have been brought to Christ, and His anointing abides within us, we are to be led by the Spirit.

Benoni, you come up with the neatest stuff . I have always felt that the purpose of the bible was to bring us to Lord Jesus and from there we study directly under and with Lord Jesus as our teacher. So what you are presenting basically agrees with this. To cool! To continue things a bit farther, in my case the child conductor was Father God. The Bible didn't bring me to Lord Jesus or Father God. When I was five years old I was afraid of the dark. My mother told me to pray to God in the name of Lord Jesus and ask God to take away my fear of the dark. Up to that time I had never heard of God or Lord Jesus, my family never went to church and religion was never discussed. When I prayed to God in the name of Lord Jesus I had a mystic experience that affected me for the rest of my life (and God did take away my fear of the dark). That was how I met God and Lord Jesus and the rest of my life was just sorting things out which included help from Scripture.

Child conductor in/with my experience: Because I studied yoga science (for lack of any other term) which is basically "mind physics", the mind's ability to affect and manipulate Creation, I developed some abilities that had absolutely nothing to do with Father God and Lord Jesus. What was interesting about these abilities was that the only time that they worked was when Father God gave them permission to work. The rest of the time they didn't work. In this case Father God was my child conductor because everything that led toward "self power" did not work and everything that led toward Lord Jesus becoming my teacher worked. The result was that after years and years of head to head with Father God Lord Jesus is now securely my teacher. Where that is going to go I really do not have any idea, but based on my life experience so far, I feel that I am in good hands and that my true education has now begun.

Your concept of there being a child conductor has been very helpful to me because I always thought of Father God as being very hard headed and now I understand that Father God was just child conducting me safely into the hands of my Teacher. Benoni, I personally have no experience with the normal Christian experience, but I have always felt that the purpose of the Bible was to lead one to Lord Jesus and Lord Jesus has always been my master, it is just that before Lord Jesus was outside of me instead of inside of me. I am speculating that that would work for other Christians also, but I really do not have any evidence yet . All of this time I have been battling with Father God and all of this time Father God was my child conductor attempting to conduct me safely into the hands of my Teacher. Thank you Benoni for what you have presented, it was a major gift in my reality!

 

[Benoni]

Benoni, you come up with the neatest stuff . I have always felt that the purpose of the bible was to bring us to Lord Jesus and from there we study directly under and with Lord Jesus as our teacher. So what you are presenting basically agrees with this. To cool! To continue things a bit farther, in my case the child conductor was Father God. The Bible didn't bring me to Lord Jesus or Father God. When I was five years old I was afraid of the dark. My mother told me to pray to God in the name of Lord Jesus and ask God to take away my fear of the dark. Up to that time I had never heard of God or Lord Jesus, my family never went to church and religion was never discussed. When I prayed to God in the name of Lord Jesus I had a mystic experience that affected me for the rest of my life (and God did take away my fear of the dark). That was how I met God and Lord Jesus and the rest of my life was just sorting things out which included help from Scripture.

Child conductor in/with my experience: Because I studied yoga science (for lack of any other term) which is basically "mind physics", the mind's ability to affect and manipulate Creation, I developed some abilities that had absolutely nothing to do with Father God and Lord Jesus. What was interesting about these abilities was that the only time that they worked was when Father God gave them permission to work. The rest of the time they didn't work. In this case Father God was my child conductor because everything that led toward "self power" did not work and everything that led toward Lord Jesus becoming my teacher worked. The result was that after years and years of head to head with Father God Lord Jesus is now securely my teacher. Where that is going to go I really do not have any idea, but based on my life experience so far, I feel that I am in good hands and that my true education has now begun.

Your concept of there being a child conductor has been very helpful to me because I always thought of Father God as being very hard headed and now I understand that Father God was just child conducting me safely into the hands of my Teacher. Benoni, I personally have no experience with the normal Christian experience, but I have always felt that the purpose of the Bible was to lead one to Lord Jesus and Lord Jesus has always been my master, it is just that before Lord Jesus was outside of me instead of inside of me. I am speculating that that would work for other Christians also, but I really do not have any evidence yet . All of this time I have been battling with Father God and all of this time Father God was my child conductor attempting to conduct me safely into the hands of my Teacher. Thank you Benoni for what you have presented, it was a major gift in my reality!

I am so happy I blessed you. I am usually at odds with our religious brother because they try so hard to box God into their broken cisterns. Wants some deep awesome reading that will open your eyes check out Ray Prinzing on the web.

 

[mystic64]

I am so happy I blessed you. I am usually at odds with our religious brother because they try so hard to box God into their broken cisterns. Wants some deep awesome reading that will open your eyes check out Ray Prinzing on the web.

Thank you! Will do.

 

[Muffled]

At least he doesn't believe in hell anymore. A lot of religious fundies never ever try to make that jump to independent thought. It's a start.

I believe with independant thought that Hell is quite real. I suppose you mean by independant that everyone should think like you but I don't think that is what independant means.

 

[Muffled]

I don't know if there is or isn't a hell.
I know using anthropomorphisms literally to describe what ever is there in the absence of God is just asinine.

ANd I'm yet to find someone more "FUNDY" (in the literal sense of the word) than I am.

I believe however that Hell is not a man made concept, so it is not likely to be an anthropomorphism.

How fundamental can you be if you don't go by what the scripture says? I will admit that there are times when one can't just look at scripture literally but I don't beleive one can pick and choose but ought to have a good rationale for seeing it as not literal.

 

[Muffled]

I suppose one accepting Lord Jesus as one's Lord and saviour so that they can live forever is ok, but personally I do not care if I am written in the Book of Life or if I live forever. I love Lord Jesus because He is cool and we are good friends. No other reason.[/quote]

I did it so my life would be better. I believe that is what is meant by eternal life ie that a person has goodness in him that will not go away.

I loved Jesus before I knew Him as friend or Lord or Savior by the fact that He loved me enough to die for me.

 

[jtartar]

The wages of sin is death but the gift from God is eternal life. Romans 6:23 I used to believe in a long time about the theory of hell but through prayer and reading of the scriptures over the years I believe God has revealed to me the truth about hell. I believe that if we accept Jesus as Lord and saviour we are promised eternal life but if we reject him our body and soul shall die.

mickey,
Most of what you said is accurate, but there is much more to learn about these truths.
CONSIDER: The Bible tells us that heaven belongs to God, but the earth He has given to the sons of men, Ps 115:16. The Bible also tells us that the wicked will be snatched from the earth, but that the righteous will live on earth FOREVER, Prov 2:21,22, Ps 37:9-11, 34, 28,29. Jehovah God did not create the earth for nothing, but to be inhabited, Isa 45:18.
Did you realize that God did not originally promise anyone would go to heaven??
God told Adam and Eve to multiply and fill the earth and subdue it. The only way they could die was to disobey God, and then they would go back to the ground from which they came, Gen 2:17, 3:19. So they had no way of going to heaven, definitely not by rebelling against God and following Satan!!!
So, why do we have so many scriptures that tell about people going to heaven???
The truth is, there came to be two hopes for people, one group that would live on earth forever. The other group will be Kings and Priests over the people who will live on earth. When Jesus lived on earth he told his Apostles that this group would be a LITTLE FLOCK, Luke 12:32. In Revelation we are told just how many this Little Flock would be, 144,000, Rev 7:4, 14:1,3. These will be Kings and Priests, Rev 5:9,10, Rev 20:4-7.
Paul tells more about these ones, 1Cor 15:50-54. These ones who go to heaven will be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, to immortal spirit creatures. This will be from flesh and blood to spirit creatures, a New Birth, a New Creature, Gal 6:15, 2Cor 5:17, Born from God, 1Pet 1:3,23, 1John 3:2,3. These ones have been ANOINTED by God with a token of the spirit, and will become complete spirit creatures when resurrected, 1John 2:27,27, 2Cor 1:21,22, Rom 8:14-17.
These thing are what John was speaking about in John 1:11-13, 3:-8. All these BORN OF GOD, are not born of the flesh, and will be spirit creatures and be with Jesus in heaven as Kings and Priests. Paul hinted at this in other places, 1Cor 4:8,9, 2Tim 2:12, Rom 8:17, Rev 20:4-7.
If you remember that there are two classes of people, ones who live on earth and those who rule in heaven, it will be much easier to understand the Bibliotheca Divina. After Harmageddon there will, in time, be billions of people resurrected back to earth, so the 144,000 will be a Little Flock, Luke 12:32, when compared.

 

[Benoni]

I believe with independant thought that Hell is quite real. I suppose you mean by independant that everyone should think like you but I don't think that is what independant means.

So what you are saying that Jesus blood is weaker than the sin of Adam. That Jesus is going to torture billins; I mean trillions of lost souls foreever, and ever, and ever with NO mercy and this is real.

 

[Benoni]

mickey,
Most of what you said is accurate, but there is much more to learn about these truths.
CONSIDER: The Bible tells us that heaven belongs to God, but the earth He has given to the sons of men, Ps 115:16. The Bible also tells us that the wicked will be snatched from the earth, but that the righteous will live on earth FOREVER, Prov 2:21,22, Ps 37:9-11, 34, 28,29. Jehovah God did not create the earth for nothing, but to be inhabited, Isa 45:18.
Did you realize that God did not originally promise anyone would go to heaven??
God told Adam and Eve to multiply and fill the earth and subdue it. The only way they could die was to disobey God, and then they would go back to the ground from which they came, Gen 2:17, 3:19. So they had no way of going to heaven, definitely not by rebelling against God and following Satan!!!
So, why do we have so many scriptures that tell about people going to heaven???
The truth is, there came to be two hopes for people, one group that would live on earth forever. The other group will be Kings and Priests over the people who will live on earth. When Jesus lived on earth he told his Apostles that this group would be a LITTLE FLOCK, Luke 12:32. In Revelation we are told just how many this Little Flock would be, 144,000, Rev 7:4, 14:1,3. These will be Kings and Priests, Rev 5:9,10, Rev 20:4-7.
Paul tells more about these ones, 1Cor 15:50-54. These ones who go to heaven will be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, to immortal spirit creatures. This will be from flesh and blood to spirit creatures, a New Birth, a New Creature, Gal 6:15, 2Cor 5:17, Born from God, 1Pet 1:3,23, 1John 3:2,3. These ones have been ANOINTED by God with a token of the spirit, and will become complete spirit creatures when resurrected, 1John 2:27,27, 2Cor 1:21,22, Rom 8:14-17.
These thing are what John was speaking about in John 1:11-13, 3:-8. All these BORN OF GOD, are not born of the flesh, and will be spirit creatures and be with Jesus in heaven as Kings and Priests. Paul hinted at this in other places, 1Cor 4:8,9, 2Tim 2:12, Rom 8:17, Rev 20:4-7.
If you remember that there are two classes of people, ones who live on earth and those who rule in heaven, it will be much easier to understand the Bibliotheca Divina. After Harmageddon there will, in time, be billions of people resurrected back to earth, so the 144,000 will be a Little Flock, Luke 12:32, when compared.

I agree pretty much what you are saying but I see your concept of heaven is different from mine. I see heaven as the realm of God which is everywhere.

His will, will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

When Jesus walked the earth in body that knew no limitation after he rose it included walking though walls and appearing where He needed to.

God's Kings and Priest in the age to come will be used to call all the heathen people God never called so they will need to be on the earth

 

[jtartar]

I agree pretty much what you are saying but I see your concept of heaven is different from mine. I see heaven as the realm of God which is everywhere.

His will, will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

When Jesus walked the earth in body that knew no limitation after he rose it included walking though walls and appearing where He needed to.

God's Kings and Priest in the age to come will be used to call all the heathen people God never called so they will need to be on the earth

Benoni,
I guess that you did not notice that most of the people who ever lived on earth will be brought back in a resurrection on earth. The ones who are taken to heaven are going to be spirit creatures, just as Jesus is, and will be joint heirs with Jesus of the inheritance of the earth and all that is in it, Rom 8:17.
Because of the way we have been taught all our lives, it is hard to understand that some will live on earth and a Little Flock will be Kings and Priests in heaven, ruling over the earth for, at least, the thousand year judgment day, Luke 12:32, Rev 20:4-7, Ps 37:29, Isa 45:18. These are the ones that the Bible says follow Jesus n matter where he goes, Rev 14:1-4.
Remember that the Bible says that there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous, Acts 24:15. The unrighteous ones will be all the people who have never heard about Jesus and knew very little about the one true, God, whose proper name is Jehovah. Them and the ones who come out of the great tribulation will then be in the Thousand year Judgment Day, Rev 7:14 They will learn the righteous ways of God, and if they pass the final test at the end of the thousand years, when Satan is let out of the abyss, they will be granted everlasting life, Rev 20:1-3, 7-9.
It is very interesting to me that everything will take place exactly as God said it was to be, and in the same exact time, even though mankind put themselves through 6,000 years of misery, when Adam and Eve rebelled against God and God then allowed Satan to be the god of this system, 2Cor 4:3,4, 1John 5:19, Rev 12:9.

 

[mystic64]

I suppose one accepting Lord Jesus as one's Lord and saviour so that they can live forever is ok, but personally I do not care if I am written in the Book of Life or if I live forever. I love Lord Jesus because He is cool and we are good friends. No other reason.[/quote]

I did it so my life would be better. I believe that is what is meant by eternal life ie that a person has goodness in him that will not go away.

I loved Jesus before I knew Him as friend or Lord or Savior by the fact that He loved me enough to die for me.

I knew Lord Jesus before I knew that He had died for my sins. Before my first prayer, when I was five years old, I did not know that God or Lord Jesus even existed. After that first prayer there was not any doubt in my mind that They existed. Later on when I found out that Lord Jesus had died for our sins, that was just icing on the cake. I loved Him because He was loving real, not because of His gifts, I loved Him before I knew about His gifts.