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I don't have a source. But as with all punishments, one must be convicted. One can't be convicted unless the sin is revealed.
As long as they keep quite and do not partake in aggression, I could care less. But if tey apostate and demonize islam as been seen before, then they have revealed their sin and are eligible for capital punishment.Do you personally agree that Apostates who've been found out should be killed?
As long as they keep quite and do not partake in aggression, I could care less. But if tey apostate and demonize islam as been seen before, then they have revealed their sin and are eligible for capital punishment.
If a person apostates and announces to his/her friends and family that s/he is no longer a part of Islam, then having him/her killed would deny him/her the possibility to ever change his/her mind; revert back to his/her old ways etc.
Considering Allah is apparently all-merciful, wouldn't executing apostates like that be a crime against potential Muslims and Allah's children?
I'm curious if the justification for this originates from the Hadiths or the Koran.
This is from Hadith , Qur'an never mentioned killing of apostates in any circumstances . The freedom of choice in religion is one of fundamental moral emphasised in Qur'an .
Qur'an 2.256
"Let there be no compulsion in religion
I see. Since I'm aware of the disputes amongst Muslims regarding the Hadiths, I assume you place greater priority on the Koran over the Hadiths? I also assume you disagree with death for Apostasy?
I'm curious if the justification for this originates from the Hadiths or the Koran.
In my opinion a misconception originates from misunderstanding of Hadith. But today those misunderstandings have been cleared up yet people cling to the past practices. I have lost track of the number of times I have stated that the Holy Prophet (saw) never practiced this, there is not a single Hadith that has recorded him giving this punishment to any apostate. The Quran and Hadith are clear that anyone who apostates is free, there is no compulsion in Religion.
And to clear up another misconception, people believe that if you Apostate in public then there is a punishment or if you attack Muslims. For the first case there is no support for this but merely a claim, I think it is a cop out attempt to defend the judgement of past Scholars. Secondly, if you attack Muslims as in treason, then you are punished to death for treason not apostasy. You will notice a lot of people bring up incidents where a apostate was punished to death, but they never seem to realize it was for a crime (murder, treason, rape, etc).
In my opinion a misconception originates from misunderstanding of Hadith. But today those misunderstandings have been cleared up yet people cling to the past practices. I have lost track of the number of times I have stated that the Holy Prophet (saw) never practiced this, there is not a single Hadith that has recorded him giving this punishment to any apostate. The Quran and Hadith are clear that anyone who apostates is free, there is no compulsion in Religion.
And to clear up another misconception, people believe that if you Apostate in public then there is a punishment or if you attack Muslims. For the first case there is no support for this but merely a claim, I think it is a cop out attempt to defend the judgement of past Scholars. Secondly, if you attack Muslims as in treason, then you are punished to death for treason not apostasy. You will notice a lot of people bring up incidents where a apostate was punished to death, but they never seem to realize it was for a crime (murder, treason, rape, etc).
This can be a start for a good discussion where both of us can learn from. Do you mind if we started a thread on the same faith debate area making this post the basis for discussion?
It would seem that some of you believe apostates can't be forgiven and others believe they can. Isn't there an official teaching on this? I know in Catholicism you can be forgiven for anything if you go to Confession.
Oh okay. And the same is true of apostasy right? I can be forgiven of apostasy as well?
I ask these questions because I am strongly leaning towards embracing Islam again but I definitely want to do more research before I make a final decision.
Thant's a difficult question . Muslim should decide first which one they should regard as official decree :
GOD's decrees - the Qur'an
Human's decrees - the Hadith
Doesn't that also involve deciding whether what the Quran has to say about the matter is clear enough, and how to better follow it, though?
When you put it that way, it would seem that there is no reason whatsoever for anyone to ever listen to the Hadiths, or in fact to even make any in the first place. No Hadith will ever present itself as human-made and yet also somehow more accurate than the Quran, now will it?
Is it even possible to avoid human interpretation for any length of time?
Sorry. I guess I made some undue assumptions. Bear with me for a while more, please.
Am I correct in understanding that according to the Islamic Faith there is no way for what the Quran says to be wrong except by some sort of misinterpretation?
Yet there are also the Hadiths, that do not enjoy that degree of trust yet are perhaps unavoidably used to complement the Quran by a very many Muslims.
That of course leads to endless controversy about which Hadiths, if any, should be considered legit and how they should be interpreted. Or am I misrepresenting the situation?
Because if I am correct, there are many conceivable reasons for writing Hadiths, but among them there isn't certainly any desire to present them as more reliable or more authoritative than the Quran. They may well be useful to complement the Quran or at least the understanding of same, but they will always be over-ruled by the Quran whenever a conflict is perceived.
Is that correct?