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Whaaaaaat????FearGod said:Does knowledge also acquired by random mutation and natural selection.
Then who drives them to sit on the eggs for the survival of their species.
The creator or the unconscious nature
Why do you assume it has to be a who? Why can it not simply be an instinctive desire inherent in the animal's brain?
I think what he's asking is: where did this instinct come from? How did it develop?
I think those are reasonable questions.
I go with the latter in light that there is nothing obvious showing it as the handiwork of a creator. The source of the instinct that we are aware of lies with it's brain.Then who drives them to sit on the eggs for the survival of their species.
The creator or the unconscious nature
How the evolutionist explain how the chicken acquired the knowledge that it needs to sit on the eggs for fertilizing ?
Does knowledge also acquired by random mutation and natural selection.
Alright! So here is an hypothesis...suppose that like the world was totally warm in the past (which it was) and creatures didn't need to sit on their eggs to hatch them. Also suppose that evolution via natural selection is true (a stretch of the creationist imagination, I know) and that environment has slowly changed with time to the cold "ice agey" one that we all know and love while creatures have adapted to fit that environment. Now I see two possible outcomes. Either creatures adapt their behavior to hatch their eggs, or adapt to "hatch their eggs" internally and give live birth. What do we see in the world? Both strategies! Now we can either test this hypothesis via experiment and observation; or use prayer, divination, and witchcraft to conjure up a magic spell that will give us some insight....hmm...which approach should I take more seriously?...hmm...Experimental observation, or Trolls and magic spells? Tough choice indeed!
They need to sit somewhere. It is really not that strange. They would lay their eggs in a place they felt safe. They would likey return and spend time in that place. If these animals understood the importance of their eggs and offspring they would have has some attachment to them.The question in my mind though is this: what could have motivated the first "egg-sitters" to sit on their eggs in the first place? It's not like some lizard-like pre-bird had a sudden flash of insight and said to herself, "Hey! the world's colder than it used to be! If I want my brood to hatch I better sit on those suckers!".
I mean, I can understand how the instinct would have developed from there, but it must have began with creatures who didn't actually have it, right?.
Well not all egg layers sit on their eggs. Those have large clutches with small hatch rates with even smaller living to adults. At some point a random mutation had an egg layer sit on incubate and protect the eggs. This increased the ammound that hatched survived and reproduced, do to increase in survival it became a norm and passed on. ..thus chickens sit on eggs
So basically, at some point an egg layer was born with a random mutation that caused it to want to sit on it's eggs?
fantôme profane;3290023 said:They need to sit somewhere. It is really not that strange. They would lay their eggs in a place they felt safe. They would likey return and spend time in that place.
fantôme profane;3290023 said:If these animals understood the importance of their eggs and offspring they would have has some attachment to them.
fantôme profane;3290023 said:So the initial act of sitting on the egg could be seen as somewhat random animal behaviour, but I can see how it could happen. And once it happened it would provide a survival advantage that could be acted upon by natural selection.
That would make the most amount of sense and creates a good starting point, after that initial "desire" it became much more common place do to its success rate. Though I can think of other variable that might have brought it about. Like laying eggs in. Zone with high food yeild and no need to leave. But that seems more of a strech on the mechanics,
The question in my mind though is this: what could have motivated the first "egg-sitters" to sit on their eggs in the first place? It's not like some lizard-like pre-bird had a sudden flash of insight and said to herself, "Hey! the world's colder than it used to be! If I want my brood to hatch I better sit on those suckers!".
I mean, I can understand how the instinct would have developed from there, but it must have began with creatures who didn't actually have it, right?.
fantôme profane;3290023 said:They need to sit somewhere. It is really not that strange. They would lay their eggs in a place they felt safe. They would likey return and spend time in that place. If these animals understood the importance of their eggs and offspring they would have has some attachment to them.
So the initial act of sitting on the egg could be seen as somewhat random animal behaviour, but I can see how it could happen. And once it happened it would provide a survival advantage that could be acted upon by natural selection.
Evolution does not imply that creatures think changes through.