Paul's teachings.

[Meshak]

Jesus got away with OT rituals like sacrificial system when He died on the cross.

Yet, Paul seems to reestablished many of legalism all over.

And Paul didnt seem to believe obeying Jesus' teachings and commandment will save us. It is against Jesus' word of "if you love Me, keep my commandments".

Jesus emphasized how important to be obedient to His teachings and commands.

It seems to be clear that Paul was not cooperating with Jesus' salvation.

PS, I am Jesus' follower and His servant to be clear. Jesus is my Lord.

 

[oldbadger]

Jesus got away with OT rituals like sacrificial system when He died on the cross.

Yet, Paul seems to reestablished many of legalism all over.

And Paul didnt seem to believe obeying Jesus' teachings and commandment will save us. It is against Jesus' word of "if you love Me, keep my commandments".

Jesus emphasized how important to be obedient to His teachings and commands.

It seems to be clear that Paul was not cooperating with Jesus' salvation.

PS, I am Jesus' follower and His servant to be clear. Jesus is my Lord.

Cool... and yes.... I agree with you. I don't think Pauline Religion is much like Jesus's true religion.

I'm not a proper christian, but then.......

 

[Meshak]

Cool... and yes.... I agree with you. I don't think Pauline Religion is much like Jesus's true religion.

I'm not a proper christian, but then.......

I am outcast in the Christian community in this regard among many other issues too.

I am Jesus' loyal servant. Paul is not my Lord.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Jesus got away with OT rituals like sacrificial system when He died on the cross.

It's a good thing that he snuck in one last Passover before leaving. :yes:

 

[oldbadger]

I am outcast in the Christian community in this regard among many other issues too.

I am Jesus' loyal servant. Paul is not my Lord.

Thank goodness for the www. Outcasts can find similar 'hearts, minds and souls' throughout the world now. No need to be alone.

 

[Meshak]

Thank goodness for the www. Outcasts can find similar 'hearts, minds and souls' throughout the world now. No need to be alone.

Are they Jesus' servants?

 

[oldbadger]

Are they Jesus' servants?

Some will be. Some will have your beliefs. And the www will connect you with them more speedily than most any other communication system.

But, compared with 'Pauline' Christians, they will be in a tiny minority. When most christians want to tell me something, they open their bibles and start reading from...... Paul.

Tell me......... what do you think of John's Gospel, as compared with Mark's, or Matthew's.

 

[Meshak]

But, compared with 'Pauline' Christians, they will be in a tiny minority. When most christians want to tell me something, they open their bibles and start reading from...... Paul.

that is exactly right. they make up their own doctrines using Paul's teachings. They hardly quote Jesus. Calvinism is main one. And Calvin was murderer too. they dont have any qualm following his teachings.

Tell me......... what do you think of John's Gospel, as compared with Mark's, or Matthew's.

I have not compared them, but it seems John is different from the rest, especially about John 1-1. It does not harmonize with Jesus' word.

Jesus did not teach trinity.

 

[Meshak]

BTW, would you link me to your group?

thanks.

 

[sojourner]

it seems John is different from the rest, especially about John 1-1. It does not harmonize with Jesus' word.

Jesus did not teach trinity.

"I and the Father are one."

 

[sojourner]

Jesus got away with OT rituals like sacrificial system when He died on the cross.

Yet, Paul seems to reestablished many of legalism all over.

And Paul didnt seem to believe obeying Jesus' teachings and commandment will save us. It is against Jesus' word of "if you love Me, keep my commandments".

Jesus emphasized how important to be obedient to His teachings and commands.

It seems to be clear that Paul was not cooperating with Jesus' salvation.

PS, I am Jesus' follower and His servant to be clear. Jesus is my Lord.

"Seems clear" and reality are two different things. If that's what you think about Paul, you're misreading him.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

And Paul didnt seem to believe obeying Jesus' teachings and commandment will save us. It is against Jesus' word of "if you love Me, keep my commandments".

Please expand on how following the Law leads to salvation.

 

[Meshak]

"I and the Father are one."

I will not go into trinity debate. It is useless and meaningless debate.

go make your own thread about it.

thanks.

 

[Meshak]

Please expand on how following the Law leads to salvation.

Because Jesus commands to obey His commands. He is the Lord of salvation, not your doctrines.

 

[Meshak]

"Seems clear" and reality are two different things. If that's what you think about Paul, you're misreading him.

the reality is that Jesus commands us to obey His commands.

Ok, I change that to "it is clear", not "seems" because Jesus clearly says to obey Him..

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Because Jesus commands to obey His commands. He is the Lord of salvation, not your doctrines.

This does not answer my question. Your two sentences are a non-sequitor. Perhaps some scripture that directly relates salvation to following the Law would be helpful.

 

[sojourner]

I will not go into trinity debate. It is useless and meaningless debate.

go make your own thread about it.

thanks.

I'm not arguing the Trinity. You assert that John seems incongruent with Jesus' teaching. I merely opened the argument that John is not incongruent with Jesus' teaching. If you're going to opine that John is incongruent with Jesus' teaching, you'll have to do a lot better than your previous post.

 

[oldbadger]

that is exactly right. they make up their own doctrines using Paul's teachings. They hardly quote Jesus. Calvinism is main one. And Calvin was murderer too. they dont have any qualm following his teachings.

I have not compared them, but it seems John is different from the rest, especially about John 1-1. It does not harmonize with Jesus' word.

Jesus did not teach trinity.

:clap

 

[oldbadger]

BTW, would you link me to your group?

thanks.

I am a loner. Have no group. I'm just a Deist

I'm still a free spirit, and at this time am studying and reading about 'historical Jesus.'

 

[sojourner]

the reality is that Jesus commands us to obey His commands.

Ok, I change that to "it is clear", not "seems" because Jesus clearly says to obey Him..

Correct. Jesus commands us to show love and build relationships. Paul's injunctions are clearly the same. I Cor. 13 is a fine example. Ephesians instructs us to walk in love as Christ has loved us (if you're contention is that Paul wrote Ephesians).