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How to tell you are successful magician

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
Another quick thought for now; I think a good way to tell you are a successful magician is when the magic of others can be easily recognized and, if the magic is against you, being able to resist it without the other magician even realizing they've been called out.
 

Infinitum

Possessed Bookworm
It depends entirely on how you define a magician. However, as a generalisation I'd simply say that when your magic does what you want it to, you're a successful magician. I don't feel any need to enter into "magical contests" with anyone around me. That's just a waste of good time that could be used used learning something actually useful.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
How about demonstrating you have a good handle on yourself as the measure of success?
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
You get people to agree on a new tax for people over $450,000 that will likely lead to a decline in revenues from that same sector... and everyone feels good that they did something...
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
You get people to agree on a new tax for people over $450,000 that will likely lead to a decline in revenues from that same sector... and everyone feels good that they did something...
Crap.

I can't frubal you yet.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I agree with others a good measure of success is to measure yourself and how far you have come. IMO comparing yourself to others can often lead to setting the bar too low.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
I'm sorry, I thought being able to avoid being manipulated would be a measure of self.

I'm tired of this place.
 

Infinitum

Possessed Bookworm
I'm sorry, I thought being able to avoid being manipulated would be a measure of self.

I'm tired of this place.
Well, here's the thing. How do you define a magician? Is a magician synonymous to one on the Left-Hand Path? If not, what's the difference? Perhaps one of the great differences is the self. A common magician may not notice him or her being manipulated. A practitioner of LHP should notice it soon enough. Thoughts?
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
And if your standard is your own?
No less a standard. And no better.

We're drinking and we're dancing but there's nothing really happening
And the place is dead as heaven on a Saturday night
...
The whole damn place goes crazy twice
And it's once for the Devil and it's once for Christ
But the boss don't like these dizzy heights
We're busted in the blinding lights
 
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1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
Well, here's the thing. How do you define a magician? Is a magician synonymous to one on the Left-Hand Path? If not, what's the difference? Perhaps one of the great differences is the self. A common magician may not notice him or her being manipulated. A practitioner of LHP should notice it soon enough. Thoughts?

Someone who causes change to occur in conformity with Will, beyond the simple every day acts that people engage in (typing this post, for example, hardly counts). This also should, naturally, allow you to notice when others are doing this as well, and especially when the change they Will to occur is in contradiction with yours.
 

Infinitum

Possessed Bookworm
Someone who causes change to occur in conformity with Will, beyond the simple every day acts that people engage in (typing this post, for example, hardly counts). This also should, naturally, allow you to notice when others are doing this as well, and especially when the change they Will to occur is in contradiction with yours.
However the magician would have to have a good knowledge of magic directed at others. I might be wrong, but my impression is that it's not something magicians generally like doing (being sometimes defined as "black magic"). I also think that you don't always have to recognize it as magic, or even notice someone's trying to affect you. I think people in many cases just brush the other aside and goes with their own will. Another question is when this is entirely wise and when it isn't.
 
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