"OB/GYNs back over-the-counter birth control pills"

[MysticSang'ha]

I agree parents have a problem taking this responsibility, I just don't agree the solution is to make the school system the authority or responsible party. I agree our society has a willing ignorance and dismissal of uncomfortable discussions, I think we should work on that rather then promoting our schools involvement. In my opinion schools do not promote abstinence as much as protection. And in my opinion A school passing out condoms is condoning sexual behavior much like a parent saying "well I bought my kids beer because hey if they are going to drink, I'd rather it be at home" I prefer to teach my teenagers sex is something to be waited on,deeply considered and safely done at the right time and with the right person, preferably in marriage but never in ignorance and a heated moment. Schools are for education, so let them educate without passing out condoning materials and liberal opinions after all if a teenager gets pregnant from one of their supplied condoms will they take responsibility? No it is always the parents fault for not preventing their kids sexual exploits, so then If we have the backlash, let us have the authority.
and by the way the statistics showing the pregnacy rate and std's going down since schools have given kids the "go ahead heres a condom "solution only show that more kids in the usa have sex then anywhere else, and I would go further to say in countries where promiscuity is just not allowed and punished severaly, there is a very low pregnacy rate !

Where?

Do these countries also have on average more teenaged marriages than couples waiting until their 30s to get married?

 

[NIX]

I agree parents have a problem taking this responsibility, I just don't agree the solution is to make the school system the authority or responsible party. I agree our society has a willing ignorance and dismissal of uncomfortable discussions, I think we should work on that rather then promoting our schools involvement. In my opinion schools do not promote abstinence as much as protection. And in my opinion A school passing out condoms is condoning sexual behavior much like a parent saying "well I bought my kids beer because hey if they are going to drink, I'd rather it be at home" I prefer to teach my teenagers sex is something to be waited on,deeply considered and safely done at the right time and with the right person, preferably in marriage but never in ignorance and a heated moment. Schools are for education, so let them educate without passing out condoning materials and liberal opinions after all if a teenager gets pregnant from one of their supplied condoms will they take responsibility? No it is always the parents fault for not preventing their kids sexual exploits, so then If we have the backlash, let us have the authority.
and by the way the statistics showing the pregnacy rate and std's going down since schools have given kids the "go ahead heres a condom "solution only show that more kids in the usa have sex then anywhere else, and I would go further to say in countries where promiscuity is just not allowed and punished severaly, there is a very low pregnacy rate !

It is the very girls whose parents are on board with these kinds of attitudes of total non allowance and severe punishment for personal expression of one's own sexuality WHO NEED the offer/availability of society's/school's intervention most of all.

 

[Lady B]

It is the very girls whose parents are on board with these kinds of attitudes of total non allowance and severe punishment for personal expression of one's own sexuality WHO NEED the offer/availability of society's/school's intervention most of all.

seriously? we need schools/government to have this authority? cmon:areyoucra

 

[NIX]

I agree parents have a problem taking this responsibility, I just don't agree the solution is to make the school system the authority or responsible party. I agree our society has a willing ignorance and dismissal of uncomfortable discussions, I think we should work on that rather then promoting our schools involvement. In my opinion schools do not promote abstinence as much as protection. And in my opinion A school passing out condoms is condoning sexual behavior much like a parent saying "well I bought my kids beer because hey if they are going to drink, I'd rather it be at home" I prefer to teach my teenagers sex is something to be waited on,deeply considered and safely done at the right time and with the right person, preferably in marriage but never in ignorance and a heated moment. Schools are for education, so let them educate without passing out condoning materials and liberal opinions after all if a teenager gets pregnant from one of their supplied condoms will they take responsibility? No it is always the parents fault for not preventing their kids sexual exploits, so then If we have the backlash, let us have the authority.
and by the way the statistics showing the pregnacy rate and std's going down since schools have given kids the "go ahead heres a condom "solution only show that more kids in the usa have sex then anywhere else, and I would go further to say in countries where promiscuity is just not allowed and punished severaly, there is a very low pregnacy rate !

If adultery, consumption of liquor, feeding your children foods with added sugar and high fructose corn syrup were all not allowed and punished severely,
I suppose then that there would be a much higher percent of no fault divorces and happy marriages, a very low instance of alcoholism and drunk driving, and a much lower rate of obesity and diabetes.

The answer to making everyone do or not do what you do or don't want is of course severe punishment. Which obviously works, and leads to a much better and happier society.

*sigh*

 

[Lady B]

If adultery, consumption of liquor, feeding your children foods with added sugar and high fructose corn syrup were all not allowed and punished severely,
I suppose then that there would be a much higher percent of no fault divorces and happy marriages, a very low instance of alcoholism and drunk driving, and a much lower rate of obesity and diabetes.

The answer to making everyone do or not do what you do or don't want is of course severe punishment. Which obviously works, and leads to a much better and happier society.

*sigh*

That wasn't my point, I do not want government interfering in any way with my kids moral conduct. Schools have no buisness involved in sex, whether condoning or condeming and that is just my view. I do agree parents need to step up and initiate the safety talks whether abstinence or protection is their instrument of choice, is not our concern nor the schools nor the government period.

 

[LuisDantas]

and by the way the statistics showing the pregnacy rate and std's going down since schools have given kids the "go ahead heres a condom "solution only show that more kids in the usa have sex then anywhere else, and I would go further to say in countries where promiscuity is just not allowed and punished severaly, there is a very low pregnacy rate !

Of course. But that is a self-defeating proposition, now isn't it?

 

[LuisDantas]

That wasn't my point, I do not want government interfering in any way with my kids moral conduct. Schools have no buisness involved in sex, whether condoning or condeming and that is just my view. I do agree parents need to step up and initiate the safety talks whether abstinence or protection is their instrument of choice, is not our concern nor the schools nor the government period.

I beg to differ. One of the main roles of government is in fact to protect children from their parents' failures and shortcomings, when they are conceivably serious enough to deserve such an intervention.

That is one of the reasons why there are public schools in the first place: parents aren't universally capable of offering a proper education on their own.

By much the same token, schools do have a duty to offer the means for children and teenagers to learn to deal with their own sexualities, since so many parents can not or will not.

 

[Lady B]

I beg to differ. One of the main roles of government is in fact to protect children from their parents' failures and shortcomings, when they are conceivably serious enough to deserve such an intervention.

That is one of the reasons why there are public schools in the first place: parents aren't universally capable of offering a proper education on their own.

By much the same token, schools do have a duty to offer the means for children and teenagers to learn to deal with their own sexualities, since so many parents can not or will not.

And this is one of the reasons I homeschooled and paid for private education for my children, for this statement alone send shivers up my spine but hey to each his own, you have the right to allow government to control what goes in your children's ears as I have the right to say no thanks. There are many children who are strong enough to not be swayed by the liberal agenda in the public school system, and then there are those who are followers and incorporate these ideals into their lives and those of future generations. Passing out condoms is condoning destructive behavior that increases promiscuity and all the effects therein. I do not see what you find so wrong about teaching our kids abstinence and not giving them free easy condoning access to protection when they need to push the boundaries.But to say no, you cannot do this period and If you do there will be consequences. I am speaking about children, not consenting adults, I am saying we parents should be doing more to prevent sex from happening while our kids are home, not giving them all a plan b for when they disobey us and do it anyways. I am not saying or assuming it works in all cases, sure kids will rebel and break the rules, but do we need to trash the rules because they rebel? Or keep them and hope they choose rightly.
OP I am sorry for going off-topic, The topic is bcp being over the counter, not teens being led astray by a condoning education system, If anyone would like to open a new thread about schools involvement in our childs sex life, I would be happy to debate and see your views as well as explain mine.

 

[MoonWater]

already done:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-debates/141945-sex-education.html

 

[Lady B]

already done:

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-debates/141945-sex-education.html:D

I am not sure if it is me alone but that link apears to be broken

 

[MoonWater]

it's broken for me too, weird. I'll try posting it again and if it still doesn't work then just look for it in general debates. It's called "sex education" and should be on the first page near the top.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-debates/141945-sex-education.html

edit: just tested, it should be working

 

[LuisDantas]

And this is one of the reasons I homeschooled and paid for private education for my children, for this statement alone send shivers up my spine but hey to each his own, you have the right to allow government to control what goes in your children's ears as I have the right to say no thanks.

It is not a matter of "allowing government" to do anything, but rather of being aware of the fact that there will be others interacting with my hypothetical children. Not only other people, but also their very own hormones.

There is little to no hope of convincing youngsters of having no interest in sex by denying them information. Quite on the contrary, efforts in that direction are a sure-fire recipe for having them learn that the parents are not worthy of being let in their doubts and dilemmas. The results are very much a disaster, typically in the form of early, unplanned pregnancies.

Besides, losing one's own children confidence to the point that he or she won't share such an important part of their development is a terrible loss in and of itself.

There are many children who are strong enough to not be swayed by the liberal agenda in the public school system,

I don't know anything about any liberal agenda, but I sure fail to see how repression, secrecy and their consequences are worth fighting for.

and then there are those who are followers and incorporate these ideals into their lives and those of future generations.

So you are stating a belief that youngsters experience sex because they are told to, and that they might be reasonably expected to, I don't know, "behave" if they were taught such an anti-natural thing as abstinence?

Sorry, but I must say that such a belief is a dangerous bet at best, and most likely a full tragic mistake. Children shouldn't be taught to feel guilty simply because they want to follow their biological urges. They need information, acceptance and support if they are to handle such challenges at all well. To deny them such a fair chance is fully irresponsible from any parent.

Granted, some parents will not be up to frank talk about those matters. That is what uncles, grandparents and, yes, schools are for.

Passing out condoms is condoning destructive behavior that increases promiscuity and all the effects therein.

No, Lady B; encouraging them not to use condoms, and not to admit that they are sexual beings, now that is condoning destructive behavior - and lots of teen pregnancies.

I do not see what you find so wrong about teaching our kids abstinence and not giving them free easy condoning access to protection when they need to push the boundaries.

For one thing, that simply has no chance of working. Such an approach breeds duplicity and secrecy, not abstinence.

But to say no, you cannot do this period and If you do there will be consequences. I am speaking about children, not consenting adults, I am saying we parents should be doing more to prevent sex from happening while our kids are home, not giving them all a plan b for when they disobey us and do it anyways.

So you are relying on obedience to stop them from experiencing sex?

That is a very dangerous approach, I fear.

I hope that you at least make them aware of what they should guard against. Ignorance is no protection from malicious people, you know.

I am not saying or assuming it works in all cases, sure kids will rebel and break the rules, but do we need to trash the rules because they rebel?

We should abstain from having rules that presume to tell when or how they should want to have sex in the first place. They are a terrible waste of energy in the best of cases. Your concept of "rebellion" seems quite odd to me.

Or keep them and hope they choose rightly.
OP I am sorry for going off-topic, The topic is bcp being over the counter, not teens being led astray by a condoning education system, If anyone would like to open a new thread about schools involvement in our childs sex life, I would be happy to debate and see your views as well as explain mine.

Sure.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Schools are for education, so let them educate without passing out condoning materials and liberal opinions after all if a teenager gets pregnant from one of their supplied condoms will they take responsibility? No it is always the parents fault for not preventing their kids sexual exploits, so then If we have the backlash, let us have the authority.

Here are some statistics taken straight from a human sexuality text book:
-According to a a Time magazine/CNN survey, 74% of teenagers said that friedns and televisions were their major sources of information, compared to 10% who listed parents or sex education.
-Over 45% of all high school students have sexual intercourse
-6.2% started before the age of 13
-85% of Americans support the teaching of sexuality education in public high schools
-75% to 85% support it in junior high school
-75% of parents have no discussion of sex with their teenaged children (King, Bruce Human Sexuality Today)
Yes, schools are for education, and a part of that education does include health. And sex very strongly relates to health. A teaching a teenager about condoms, contraception, pregnancy, puberty, STIs, peer pressure, and other issues that relate to sex education are NOT a liberal agenda, but rather educating teenagers, with raging hormones a myriad of questions and an urge to define themselves sexually, about what sex is, how to protect themselves, and how to keep themselves safe is equipping them with knowledge.

and by the way the statistics showing the pregnacy rate and std's going down since schools have given kids the "go ahead heres a condom "solution only show that more kids in the usa have sex then anywhere else, and I would go further to say in countries where promiscuity is just not allowed and punished severaly, there is a very low pregnacy rate !

Our kids tend to be just as sexually active, possibly less sexually active than many nations that have the schools teach a comprehensive sexual education. And these nations that have the schools teach also have far significantly less teen pregnancy rate. And in some of these places it is the social norm for parents to allow their teenage child to have their significant other over for the night, and to allow them to sleep in their child's bedroom, the door closed, so their child can have sex in a safe and clean environment rather than the first place an opportunity presents itself.