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Jesus Was Not A Jew

outhouse

Atheistically
According to Biblical genealogy, and religious views.

Yes.


I agree.


And it is only through complete ignorance of judaism in the first century anyone could even claim that.

Judaism is or was not defined soley on geographic location.

Judaism was dynamic and had many different sects and ways to worship including god-fearing romans and gentiles from all over the levant.
 

Pastek

Sunni muslim
So how do you know that he was doing similar to all jews and as you said
that he act on Shabbat similar to jews then my question to you.

Read the New Testament.
And if you don't believe the NT, then my question is "how do you know he wasn't doing Shabbat ?"

Why christians don't do similar to Jesus pbuh on Shabbat.

I don't know. Ask them

No; Abraham in truth was not a Jew, neither a Christian; but he was a Muslim and one pure of faith; certainly he was never of the idolaters (3:67)

All prophets are muslims,so do you think that god also play with words that he said they weren't Christians or Jews but muslims

Of course Abraham was not a jew : The Thora was given to Moses !
So that's why it was said :

2.140 Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants were Jews or Christians? Say, "Are you more knowing or is Allah ?"

You didn't respond to my question. Do you think that David and Moses were jews ?

Do you think that Jesus wasn't practicing the law of the Thora given by God to Moses ?
 

Lady B

noob
I have submitted to God, and I am not Muslim.

me too and good point ! If one uses this criteria we are all (save atheists) muslims ! wait... actually Muslims do believe we were all born muslims and then converted so I guess that doesn't work as rebuttal uuuuuuuuuugh:facepalm:

By the way Hi Fear God, missed you :D
 

Dingbat

Avatar of Brittania
He was practicing Judaism, so of course he was jew. That's logic

Indeed, not much more to say to be honest. He celebrated Passover, Shabbat, etc. Also using racist sources to support your point is a bit undermining. This crap is basically a continuation of Positive Christianity by the Nazis in order to make Jesus an Aryan Warrior fighting the "corrupt" Jews.:facepalm:
 

F0uad

Well-Known Member
Jesus was a Jew. the apostles were Jews, and Paul was a Jew according to the Gospels and Acts of the Apostles. Matthew gives a genealogy- I would suppose you don't agree with it.

Paul was a Roman Citzen.. he was just a pharisee that doesnt mean your a ethnetic hebrew or follow Judaism.

What Feargod is saying is that he isn't a Jew in religious matters but a Muslim if i am correct. We are forgetting the notion that the prophets and messengers (peace be upon them) before Mohammed(saws) never gave there religion a name. In islam we all belief that they teached Islam.
 
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F0uad

Well-Known Member
Jesus was Jewish, however He didn't practice Talmudic Judaism.

I would say in a way he did and in a other way he didn't for example he always refeerd to the Law of the Torah and there are many statements in the Gospels that one should always follow. But i also belief that he made a new covenant preaching more mercy and love for each other and maybe some things were abrogated such as a Eye for a Eye or some ridicouls things about woman.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Jesus was Jewish, however He didn't practice Talmudic Judaism.

That is correct.

His version of judaism was not that of stricter sects, and for christianity he created his own lessons based on his parables.

I wish we knew more about his judaism, there are so many competing views and different opinions, its hard to really nail down just what his "practice" was.



I can tell you it was a "working mans" religion, not a governemnt religion to begin with
 

Desert Snake

Veteran Member
I would say in a way he did and in a other way he didn't for example he always refeerd to the Law of the Torah and there are many statements in the Gospels that one should always follow. But i also belief that he made a new covenant preaching more mercy and love for each other and maybe some things were abrogated such as a Eye for a Eye or some ridicouls things about woman.

Yes, but that would be the case for many Jews who don't follow the Torah to the letter. What I take "Jesus was a Jew" to mean is that he was Jewish by lineage, He was a Hebrew, basically 'Jewish" meaning someone from those Hebraic tribes, as opposed to a Greek etc.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
We are discussing an event which had occured before around 2000 years ago,so no one can be certain of anything even the genealogy of Jesus can't be confirmed to be correct.

Let us discuss some verses from the bible about the Sabbath day.

Exodus 31:14-15 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death.
Exodus 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
Numbers 15:32-36 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. ... And the LORD said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp. And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the LORD commanded Moses.

How Jesus pbuh will agree with the jews for such an act on the Sabath day.KILLING :eek:

Also in practice, christians don't observe the Sabbath day,then how Jesus pbuh was observing it while his followers didn't do it till our present day.

Also what we can understand from Jesus pbuh when his disciples were caught working and eating on the Sabbath day.,so Jesus wasn't in concord with the jews

  1. Matthew 24:20
    Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a sabbath.
    Matthew 24:19-21 (in Context) Matthew 24 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  2. Matthew 28:1
    [ The Resurrection of Jesus ] After the sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.
    Matthew 28:1-3 (in Context) Matthew 28 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  3. Mark 1:21
    [ The Man with an Unclean Spirit ] They went to Capernaum; and when the sabbath came, he entered the synagogue and taught.
    Mark 1:20-22 (in Context) Mark 1 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  4. Mark 2:23
    [ Pronouncement about the Sabbath ] One sabbath he was going through the grainfields; and as they made their way his disciples began to pluck heads of grain.
    Mark 2:22-24 (in Context) Mark 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  5. Mark 2:24
    The Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is not lawful on the sabbath?”
    Mark 2:23-25 (in Context) Mark 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  6. Mark 2:27
    Then he said to them, “The sabbath was made for humankind, and not humankind for the sabbath;
    Mark 2:26-28 (in Context) Mark 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  7. Mark 2:28
    so the Son of Man is lord even of the sabbath.”
    Mark 2:27-28 (in Context) Mark 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  8. Mark 3:2
    They watched him to see whether he would cure him on the sabbath, so that they might accuse him.
    Mark 3:1-3 (in Context) Mark 3 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  9. Mark 3:4
    Then he said to them, “Is it lawful to do good or to do harm on the sabbath, to save life or to kill?” But they were silent.
 

Pastek

Sunni muslim
Also in practice, christians don't observe the Sabbath day,then how Jesus pbuh was observing it while his followers didn't do it till our present day.

I think Jesus did everything in the begigning, he was practicing his religion. But after it changes because he's the Messiah and God wanted to make the law more easy for the people.

As it was said :

3.50 And [I have come] confirming what was before me of the Torah and to make lawful for you some of what was forbidden to you. And I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, so fear Allah and obey me.



 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
me too and good point ! If one uses this criteria we are all (save atheists) muslims ! wait... actually Muslims do believe we were all born muslims and then converted so I guess that doesn't work as rebuttal uuuuuuuuuugh:facepalm:

By the way Hi Fear God, missed you :D

Hi Lady B, Missed you too.:),Thanks
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
of course you aren't a muslim because you are a Sanātana Dharma,more discussion on it will be off topic.

You said Jesus pbuh was practicing islam which is submitting to god. So why was he practicing Islam if we both submit to God. By extension of your reasoning, I should be practicing Islam also. But because according to you I don't, and both Jesus and I submit(ted) to God, your statement that Jesus was practicing Islam is false.
 
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